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Fri Nov 6, 2020, 03:05 PM

BlueTsunami2018 (3,266 posts)

All those things that were "unwritten" rules should now be written.

Spell it out since the emoluments clause is apparently too vague to be enforced.

You must show your taxes, you may not run a business, you may not profit from the office, you must comply with oversight and subpoenas and so on.

All those gentleman’s agreements and honor system norms that have been taken for granted all these years must now be spelled out definitively. We can never take the chance that a person like this ever takes office again.

What else should be added to the list?

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All those things that were "unwritten" rules should now be written. (Original post)	BlueTsunami2018	Nov 2020	OP
Yes	Lokee11	Nov 2020	#1
True!	BComplex	Nov 2020	#8
McConnell too	exboyfil	Nov 2020	#2
I'd love to see Biden's DOJ go after Moscow Mitch night & day until they jail him.	KS Toronado	Nov 2020	#18
We can never again just assume the elected President is a person of good character.	BKDem	Nov 2020	#3
Yep	soothsayer	Nov 2020	#4
The power to pardon...	Newest Reality	Nov 2020	#5
The pardon should NEVER apply to anyone who might be complicit in a crime that	BComplex	Nov 2020	#12
Agreed. There is no honor in this administration	nature-lover	Nov 2020	#6
Absolutely.	mindfulNJ	Nov 2020	#7
you must concede with in 24 hrs after all recounts and your	gopiscrap	Nov 2020	#9
That's not necessary, IMHO.	Newest Reality	Nov 2020	#19
Don't we need the senate to do most of this?	unitedwethrive	Nov 2020	#10
Many would need not only the Senate	sarisataka	Nov 2020	#23
No Supreme Court vacancies filled in an election year	NameAlreadyTaken	Nov 2020	#11
Why not instead say	sarisataka	Nov 2020	#22
YES! Republicons and tRumpissers need guidance. Add ELECTORAL REFORM, should be top priority. . nt	Bernardo de La Paz	Nov 2020	#13
One thing to leave OFF the list	GopherGal	Nov 2020	#14
Absolutely.	BComplex	Nov 2020	#16
The DOJ finding that a sitting President cannot be indicted must be withdrawn.	BKDem	Nov 2020	#15
Agreed!	SheltieLover	Nov 2020	#17
i don't think the emoluments clause is too vague to be enforced.	unblock	Nov 2020	#20
Yes, you said it so right	RazzleCat	Nov 2020	#21

Response to BlueTsunami2018 (Original post)

Fri Nov 6, 2020, 03:06 PM

Lokee11 (234 posts)

1. Yes

Codify everything!

FDT!

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Fri Nov 6, 2020, 03:09 PM

BComplex (7,642 posts)

8. True!

This can never be allowed to happen again. And we need to set out exactly who arrests them, and at what point the perps are to be arrested and jailed for failing to comply. Mnuchin should be arrested third, behind trump and barr.

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Fri Nov 6, 2020, 03:07 PM

exboyfil (17,737 posts)

2. McConnell too

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Fri Nov 6, 2020, 03:16 PM

KS Toronado (13,783 posts)

18. I'd love to see Biden's DOJ go after Moscow Mitch night & day until they jail him.

Start with Russian campaign money laundering.

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Fri Nov 6, 2020, 03:07 PM

BKDem (1,733 posts)

3. We can never again just assume the elected President is a person of good character.

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Fri Nov 6, 2020, 03:08 PM

soothsayer (38,601 posts)

4. Yep

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Fri Nov 6, 2020, 03:08 PM

Newest Reality (12,712 posts)

5. The power to pardon...

The power to pardon is also sweeping and vague. It leaves open the self-pardon as a potential.

Now, should a rogue President who has a list of crimes behind him be able to get completely off the hook? What kind of precedent does that set for another criminal president? Won't that be both tempting and empowering?

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Response to Newest Reality (Reply #5)

Fri Nov 6, 2020, 03:11 PM

BComplex (7,642 posts)

12. The pardon should NEVER apply to anyone who might be complicit in a crime that

helps the person doing the pardon. That should apply to governors, as well. You shouldn't be able to pardon people helping you to commit a crime for your benefit.

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Fri Nov 6, 2020, 03:08 PM

nature-lover (1,387 posts)

6. Agreed. There is no honor in this administration

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Fri Nov 6, 2020, 03:09 PM

mindfulNJ (2,358 posts)

7. Absolutely.

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Fri Nov 6, 2020, 03:09 PM

gopiscrap (23,323 posts)

9. you must concede with in 24 hrs after all recounts and your

opponent reaches 270 electoral votes

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Fri Nov 6, 2020, 03:17 PM

Newest Reality (12,712 posts)

19. That's not necessary, IMHO.

From what I understand, conceding is just a formality and makes no real difference other than to display good sportsmanship, so to speak. It is also a sign to the people regarding the peaceful transfer of power.

Trump is by no means a good sport.

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Fri Nov 6, 2020, 03:10 PM

unitedwethrive (1,993 posts)

10. Don't we need the senate to do most of this?

There’s only so much they can be done by executive order in terms of codifying law.

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Fri Nov 6, 2020, 03:49 PM

sarisataka (16,491 posts)

23. Many would need not only the Senate

But also an Amendment

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Fri Nov 6, 2020, 03:10 PM

NameAlreadyTaken (833 posts)

11. No Supreme Court vacancies filled in an election year

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Fri Nov 6, 2020, 03:47 PM

sarisataka (16,491 posts)

22. Why not instead say

Any nominee not acted on within 60 days or voted within 90 days is presumed to be approved by the Senate.

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Fri Nov 6, 2020, 03:11 PM

Bernardo de La Paz (46,756 posts)

13. YES! Republicons and tRumpissers need guidance. Add ELECTORAL REFORM, should be top priority. . nt

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Fri Nov 6, 2020, 03:11 PM

GopherGal (1,929 posts)

14. One thing to leave OFF the list

That "the sitting president can't be indicted" nonsense has to be disavowed completely. Perhaps as part of whatever vehicle is created to enable enforcement of the emoluments clause.

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Fri Nov 6, 2020, 03:12 PM

BComplex (7,642 posts)

16. Absolutely.

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Fri Nov 6, 2020, 03:11 PM

BKDem (1,733 posts)

15. The DOJ finding that a sitting President cannot be indicted must be withdrawn.

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Fri Nov 6, 2020, 03:15 PM

SheltieLover (57,073 posts)

17. Agreed!

Necessary imo.

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Fri Nov 6, 2020, 03:19 PM

unblock (51,612 posts)

20. i don't think the emoluments clause is too vague to be enforced.

i'm not sure that there's any federal law that applies to the president, so i don't think he can be charged with anything criminal.

but i think it's clear from the constitution alone that any foreign emoluments donnie took don't belong to him, so the federal government should be able to seize and such funds.

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Fri Nov 6, 2020, 03:32 PM

RazzleCat (732 posts)

21. Yes, you said it so right

I have tried to put on finger on this for a long time. I even think its more important than going after Trump (assuming that NY does the job, not excusing a full investigation on all of his enablers). I can honestly believe that even republicans could agree to this.

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