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coti

(4,612 posts)
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 04:50 PM Nov 2020

It's time to call the race.

There are no reasonable, fact-based arguments left raising the possibility that Biden didn't win this election. He will exceed 270 electoral votes, almost certainly by far, by the time the rest of the votes are counted.

While it's so important to be prudent and cautious in such matters, we also have a responsibility to protect our democracy and the will of the people from those trying to reject those values. Our opponents have a long history of taking small, anti-democratic political openings and pry-barring them open to a place where they can shade or change perception of the facts in their favor. It is not safe to allow this process to go on too long.

The truth is that Joe Biden has won the right to be our next President. That fact needs to be made known to all. For those who would rather not believe it, the process of mental acceptance needs to begin. Those who understand and know the empirical truth deserve to have their knowledge backed up and supported by our media and election officials, instead of once again having their minds gaslit by these dark actors and schemers.

It's time to declare Joe Biden President-elect.

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It's time to call the race. (Original Post) coti Nov 2020 OP
a 4,000,000 + vote majority agrees. NoMoreRepugs Nov 2020 #1
Which states would you call? lame54 Nov 2020 #2
AZ and NV honest.abe Nov 2020 #10
Is the math there?... lame54 Nov 2020 #14
AZ has already been called by Fox and AP. honest.abe Nov 2020 #17
All 4 of those Biden is leading in. coti Nov 2020 #12
I read that AP is waiting to call PA SoCalNative Nov 2020 #18
Recounts should be an after-the-fact consideration coti Nov 2020 #21
Agree Johnny2X2X Nov 2020 #3
'He will exceed 270 electoral votes, almost certainly by far, elleng Nov 2020 #4
Weird balancing act of Democracy and Pandemic. SleeplessinSoCal Nov 2020 #5
Have Red State called it? 1848minifesto Nov 2020 #6
Last night I saw PA would be called when Biden's vote lead was 20k Thekaspervote Nov 2020 #7
They are not going to call it. They were just talking about 60,000 helpisontheway Nov 2020 #8
NV should hardly even matter. nt coti Nov 2020 #16
It might matter now that Ari Velcher is saying that Biden's lead decreased some in PA due to helpisontheway Nov 2020 #19
Take away PA and NV, Biden still won AZ and GA coti Nov 2020 #23
There are still military ballots to count in GA torius Nov 2020 #25
The arguments being made here are throwing coti Nov 2020 #26
It will be a handful MoonlitKnight Nov 2020 #29
We're about 6 hours past that point BannonsLiver Nov 2020 #9
Yeah, I'm starting to get the feeling they're enjoying the drama and attention too much. Nt coti Nov 2020 #24
+1 treestar Nov 2020 #31
Slowing things down might keep the RWNJs from erupting for a while Wicked Blue Nov 2020 #11
I think that was true for these few days, but if you wait too long coti Nov 2020 #27
Yes Sunsky Nov 2020 #13
There is something to be said genxlib Nov 2020 #15
If the tables are turned, I think the networks 100% would have called it already Maven Nov 2020 #20
Yes. And CERTAINLY Trump would have declared victory. coti Nov 2020 #22
Ofd Coarse. Look who owns the Major Networks. Tommymac Nov 2020 #32
Cnn will not call the race until they are sure that trump can't win that state. marie999 Nov 2020 #28
And this methodology means they should be calling it. MoonlitKnight Nov 2020 #30
There are 70,000-100,000 provisional ballots in PA. They will be the last ballots checked. marie999 Nov 2020 #36
These media are now abdicating their responsibility to our democracy coti Nov 2020 #33
Biden's lead in PA is narrowing over the past hour. LeftInTX Nov 2020 #34
180 votes. Not exactly devastating, and in a small sample coti Nov 2020 #35

lame54

(35,250 posts)
14. Is the math there?...
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 05:03 PM
Nov 2020

I want this done as much as anybody but the math needs to be there

If it is I agree

They need to call it

honest.abe

(8,607 posts)
17. AZ has already been called by Fox and AP.
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 05:06 PM
Nov 2020

I assume they know the math. The rest of the networks are just being cautious. Ralston says NV is over. I think he knows NV better than anybody.

coti

(4,612 posts)
12. All 4 of those Biden is leading in.
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 05:02 PM
Nov 2020

For a total of 306 EVs. The big picture speaks for itself- even if one of the states has to later be rescinded, he still won convincingly.

We are allowing spurious legal and political arguments too much leniency, and it is getting dangerous. It is NOT safe to allow the results of this mostly typical voting process to get dragged out for days and weeks. I'm concerned those making these decisions are getting too comfortable and rationalizing not striking while the iron is hot.

SoCalNative

(4,613 posts)
18. I read that AP is waiting to call PA
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 05:08 PM
Nov 2020

until there is a 35,000 vote lead since that would be beyond the threshold that would trigger an automatic recount

coti

(4,612 posts)
21. Recounts should be an after-the-fact consideration
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 05:10 PM
Nov 2020

They should be assuming the 100% accuracy of the figures they do in fact have

elleng

(130,666 posts)
4. 'He will exceed 270 electoral votes, almost certainly by far,
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 04:51 PM
Nov 2020

by the time the rest of the votes are counted.'

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,079 posts)
5. Weird balancing act of Democracy and Pandemic.
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 04:54 PM
Nov 2020

The pandemic may well help establish vote by mail more widely.

Thekaspervote

(32,683 posts)
7. Last night I saw PA would be called when Biden's vote lead was 20k
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 04:56 PM
Nov 2020

As far as not declaring, the AP has yet to call PA or NV.

On the flip side I think their caution is prudent. If a state was called and then had to be retracted the idiot goons would use that to say it happened all over the country and violence could really ramp up



helpisontheway

(5,004 posts)
8. They are not going to call it. They were just talking about 60,000
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 04:57 PM
Nov 2020

provisional ballots that will not be counted until next week in Nevada. 60,000 ballots and 60,000 provisionals in a dem county.

helpisontheway

(5,004 posts)
19. It might matter now that Ari Velcher is saying that Biden's lead decreased some in PA due to
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 05:09 PM
Nov 2020

Provitionals.

coti

(4,612 posts)
23. Take away PA and NV, Biden still won AZ and GA
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 05:14 PM
Nov 2020

for a total of 280 EVs.

That's not going to happen anyway.

The election is over.

torius

(1,652 posts)
25. There are still military ballots to count in GA
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 05:23 PM
Nov 2020

No idea how many or how they will skew, I suspect split D and R and some I.

coti

(4,612 posts)
26. The arguments being made here are throwing
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 05:26 PM
Nov 2020

nickels at the mountain.

Sorry for the mixed metaphor.

MoonlitKnight

(1,584 posts)
29. It will be a handful
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 06:14 PM
Nov 2020

A couple hundred at most. Even if they go 100% Trump Georgia is Biden’s.

Nevada should have been called Tuesday night. But because they called Arizona using the same methodology that should call NV, they are too chickenshit to do so.

BannonsLiver

(16,282 posts)
9. We're about 6 hours past that point
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 04:58 PM
Nov 2020

What’s happening is an outrage. They know god damn well Trump isn’t winning PA. They’re trying to drag this shit out again into prime time for the ratings and ad revenue.

Wicked Blue

(5,809 posts)
11. Slowing things down might keep the RWNJs from erupting for a while
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 05:00 PM
Nov 2020

Givse them time to think about consequences like getting arrested, etc.

Maybe they will get bored after a while... and it's almost hunting season.
Deer Day in PA is practically a religious holiday to some of them.

coti

(4,612 posts)
27. I think that was true for these few days, but if you wait too long
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 05:43 PM
Nov 2020

you're creating an opening for chaos.

Sunsky

(1,737 posts)
13. Yes
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 05:02 PM
Nov 2020

The longer this lingers is the greater the chance of chaos. What is Fox waiting on, they've already called AZ for Biden and Trump is not going to win in NV? Come on call it.

genxlib

(5,517 posts)
15. There is something to be said
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 05:05 PM
Nov 2020

For giving it time to sink in. If one of the states declare, it will be "barely" won and that State will be a target of substantial shit slinging legal and otherwise.

If it waits until all three are clear winners? We skip right over the "barely" won and go straight to the "definitely" won. That could take the wind out of all of the resistance.

Maven

(10,533 posts)
20. If the tables are turned, I think the networks 100% would have called it already
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 05:10 PM
Nov 2020

Another example of them kowtowing to an authoritarian.

 

marie999

(3,334 posts)
28. Cnn will not call the race until they are sure that trump can't win that state.
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 06:06 PM
Nov 2020

They say they look at the margin, how many votes are left to count, and approximately what percentage of the votes left to count will go to Biden and how many will go to trump. That does not mean that Biden has to be ahead by 50,000 votes and there are only 40,000 votes left to count. If Biden is ahead by 40,000 votes and there are 60,000 votes left to count and Biden is getting 50% of those votes, they will call it. This does not mean they have to wait for a recount. We've waited 4 years for this, we can wait a little while longer.

MoonlitKnight

(1,584 posts)
30. And this methodology means they should be calling it.
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 06:18 PM
Nov 2020

NV, AZ, GA and Pennsylvania. But I could understand waiting for the votes from Pittsburgh to call PA, but no way they break for Trump. Even if they did it wouldn’t be enough of a margin.

It’s silly at this point.

 

marie999

(3,334 posts)
36. There are 70,000-100,000 provisional ballots in PA. They will be the last ballots checked.
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 06:40 PM
Nov 2020

Provisional ballots are from all parts of the state so we don/t know how many are from trump's areas and how many are from Biden's areas. I can't find how many ballots are still to count in NV, AZ, and GA.

coti

(4,612 posts)
33. These media are now abdicating their responsibility to our democracy
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 06:29 PM
Nov 2020

in their timidity and deference toward a terrorism-supporting autocratic leader.

Biden won. That is a fact, and they need to report it.

coti

(4,612 posts)
35. 180 votes. Not exactly devastating, and in a small sample
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 06:35 PM
Nov 2020

No reason to think that the next batch won't give that or more back to Biden.

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