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Practical question...Pennsylvania (Original Post) mysteryowl Nov 2020 OP
Recounts do not necessarily look at each ballot. It won't take Hoyt Nov 2020 #1
I am talking about this vote count in close states. mysteryowl Nov 2020 #2
Recounts in close states don't look at every ballot vote. Hoyt Nov 2020 #4
If you had a uniform national set of election rules, you could do that, but that doesn't exist. Plus OnDoutside Nov 2020 #6
at some point there is a limit to how much extra people would help dsc Nov 2020 #3
More scanners first DeminPennswoods Nov 2020 #5
They're not volunteers. They get paid (a set rate depending on the position). BumRushDaShow Nov 2020 #7
I know they get paid, but volunteers would gladly come and help. mysteryowl Nov 2020 #8
The problem isn't the counters. At this point they are now down to provisional ballots BumRushDaShow Nov 2020 #10
Where are the vote counters!!!??? mysteryowl Nov 2020 #14
On a break or in a section of the room where the the camera isn't focussing. BumRushDaShow Nov 2020 #15
Okay, fair enough. Most definately breaks are allowed. mysteryowl Nov 2020 #16
That's a famous scene in that movie BumRushDaShow Nov 2020 #18
Thanks for the video! mysteryowl Nov 2020 #9
There have been so many schools of thought regarding gloves, it's nuts. BumRushDaShow Nov 2020 #12
For me, it more than the virus. mysteryowl Nov 2020 #13
I have taken a bunch of screenshots of them in operation BumRushDaShow Nov 2020 #17
Final diff *should* be about .8 - .9pt. Auto recount stops after .5pt difference Roland99 Nov 2020 #11

mysteryowl

(7,370 posts)
2. I am talking about this vote count in close states.
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 07:55 PM
Nov 2020

Send in vote counters!

Glad to know recounts are faster.

OnDoutside

(19,949 posts)
6. If you had a uniform national set of election rules, you could do that, but that doesn't exist. Plus
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 08:00 PM
Nov 2020

it would all be done and dusted if the Republicans hadn't blocked the prep work of verifying mail in/absentee ballots in advance of the election. Pelosi's HR 1 Bill desperately needs to be enacted.

dsc

(52,155 posts)
3. at some point there is a limit to how much extra people would help
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 07:56 PM
Nov 2020

the machines can run only so fast.

DeminPennswoods

(15,273 posts)
5. More scanners first
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 07:58 PM
Nov 2020

Phila is already counting 24/7 in 3 8 hr shifts a day.

The real problem is our GOP-controlled state legislature wouldn't work with Gov Wolf on legislation to allow counties to pre-canvass (do everything but count) the mailed ballots so they could immediately start counting at 8AM on election day.

BumRushDaShow

(128,719 posts)
7. They're not volunteers. They get paid (a set rate depending on the position).
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 08:11 PM
Nov 2020

And I think there were something like a total of 300 - 500 hired for various aspects of pre-canvassing and counting (ETA that number was just for Philly - each county does their own thing). They have them doing an assembly line where one group reviews the exterior envelope for voter section completed and signed, and if so, that gets passed to someone who will use the letter extractor to open that outer envelope and remove the secrecy envelope with the ballot, then someone will use the extractor to open the secrecy envelope to remove the ballot, and then they appear to be stacking those folded ballots in bin where a group takes them out one at a time, flattens and then bins them, and they finally get shelved for the people manning the scanners. The scanner people run them through, and then stack and box them up with labeled boxes.

The process was kindof interesting and PA has an example video of what is done for pre-canvassing and counting -

BumRushDaShow

(128,719 posts)
10. The problem isn't the counters. At this point they are now down to provisional ballots
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 08:33 PM
Nov 2020

with some mail-ins remaining, and that is going to take a long time because these need to be verified for the correct address/ward/division and that there were no duplicate ballots submitted from the same person. They also have to wait for the military/overseas ballots to come in which has a deadline of next Tuesday (Nov. 10th) to be received.

Philly applied for and received a $10 million grant for elections equipment and miscellaneous supplies/PPE, and spent $5 million on those high-speed scanners alone. It appears they have at least 10 of them and I believe they had earlier mentioned that the team could process about 10,000 - 12,000 ballots per hour. The live-stream of the facility has been going since election day (I had watched a group run through stuff and then grab the USB sticks, so they may be on a break) -



Except for the 5-county SE region of PA, where all of their elections officials agreed to go 24/7 until they were done, the other 61 counties didn't do that and some didn't even start counting (out of GOP spite) until Wednesday. Plus you had several counties including here, have to temporarily stop while lawsuits were hurled at them by 45's voter suppression campaign.

Anyway - an intact (non-damaged ballot, because some apparently have been received damaged) is pretty easy to process, but they are now down to the special types of ballots like the provisional ones and the military/overseas ones, and that will take time and would require other types of elections officials to go through the voter verification process through the state's election data system.

And as a note - I believe at least here in Philadelphia (county) the final certification will happen November 20th.

BumRushDaShow

(128,719 posts)
15. On a break or in a section of the room where the the camera isn't focussing.
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 08:56 PM
Nov 2020

I have seen a couple trickle in and out.

None of this stuff -





Plus they do shift changes (3 shifts).

mysteryowl

(7,370 posts)
16. Okay, fair enough. Most definately breaks are allowed.
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 09:00 PM
Nov 2020

It is something to think about how ships were moved around long ago.

BumRushDaShow

(128,719 posts)
18. That's a famous scene in that movie
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 09:23 PM
Nov 2020


When they were fully staffed, it looked like this -



And there were apparently people on the left side of the room not captured by the camera where it is positioned.

ETA - the city finally updated with the last batch they put in (looks like they had processed about 2,200 since this morning) -

(Philadelphia counts)


https://results.philadelphiavotes.com/ResultsSW.aspx?type=FED&map=CTY

BumRushDaShow

(128,719 posts)
12. There have been so many schools of thought regarding gloves, it's nuts.
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 08:41 PM
Nov 2020

In my personal case, whenever I go out, I go masked-up and gloved up. But then some epidemiologists claim that the gloves might help spread the virus if it happens to be on a surface, so they often won't recommend them. But IMHO, anyone who works in microbiology or some type of lab tech position, wears gloves and handles those types of things (as do doctors and nurses) so it doesn't make sense to keep having the conflicting info out there other than trying to preserve the supplies for first responders (which was a real concern early on in the pandemic).

Yesterday while I had the stream of the counting here running, I did see one team with gloves and I think various teams that actually handle the paper have been gloved, although they moved much of the operation to the far right corner of the camera view of the room because apparently the loon GOP observers wanted to be closer to them in order to see them better. So they grouped the workers together in an area that accommodated that request and it's harder to see their hands from the camera's position.

mysteryowl

(7,370 posts)
13. For me, it more than the virus.
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 08:45 PM
Nov 2020

They need to wear gloves to protect themselves from all the chemicals and ink that will leak through the skin into their bodies.

As far as the virus goes, it is so easy to use hand sanitizer over and over again with gloves on. Their hands would not get all dry and cracked.

Gloves I say, gloves.

BumRushDaShow

(128,719 posts)
17. I have taken a bunch of screenshots of them in operation
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 09:16 PM
Nov 2020

and did have one (that I zoomed in and cropped) showing a group of them with mostly purple or beige gloves on -

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