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[QED]

1. A flaw in the system...

What about itinerant workers? (I think that's the right word.) I'm sure there are many people in your situation. I wonder what they do. Are they comfortable just not voting?

You raise an important issue - I hope you can register at your mom's house. Can you temporarily change your mailing address (maybe just for some things) to your mom's as well? If you're registered at her address and don't get mail there, you could get "caged."

I'm glad you contacted the Dem. Party.

Good luck!

[Bucky]

47. That's not a flaw in the system. That IS the system.

They don't have to eliminate all of the working class from voting... just enough of them.

[Gormy Cuss]

67. Yep.

Any excuse to remove the Dems..er working class.. from the voter lists. At least the OP seems to have a sympathetic registrar. I hope that it works out for him.

[backscatter712]

79. Flawed by design. n/t

[iemitsu]

2. good luck to you.

i hope the registrar calls back with good news and that you can re-register without trouble.

ed. to add: i suppose that's what you get for being a heretic?

[A HERETIC I AM]

4. Thanks. Me too. N/T

[Sekhmets Daughter]

3. Actually that's not true...

Melissa Harris_Perry was talking about this last weekend Upu Do NOT need a lease or a mortgage in order to vote.

Register with your mom' address and your PO Box....and an absentee ballot....

[Sekhmets Daughter]

17. You don't have to vote Republican just because you are registered as a republican

In fact Republicans have been registering as Democrats for years so they can screw up Democratic primary races....Give the Republican headquarters a call and see what they say. But it seems to me your real issue is that you won't be anywhere near your mom's or your PO box on Nov. 6... if you are moving to Jacksonville....So the only way you could vote would be with an absentee ballot. Try that approach....You need an absentee ballot because you will be moving, but don't know your new address yet...have it sent to your mom's. Add your name to her mailbox... tell her to tell her postman that you will be getting your mail at her place for a few months....

In FL you must vote in the county and precinct in which you are registered....that's the reason you will need an absentee ballot if you will be in Jacksonville.

[pnwmom]

26. But why couldn't your mom's place be your "established residence"?

If you had to, could you change your driver's license address to your mom's place, too? I think in my state we can change addresses online.

[gkhouston]

34. Looks like it's $25, regardless of license type.

edited to add a better link: http://www.dmvflorida.org/drivers-license-fees.shtml

But you'll have to do it in person: http://www.dmvflorida.org/commercial-license.shtml

[gkhouston]

49. You're welcome, and good luck.

I wouldn't think the hazmat endorsement would cost extra. This is essentially a replacement copy of a current license, not a renewal or new license. After all, isn't the extra $$ to cover the cost of the background check?

btw, anyone with a hazmat endorsement on their CDL should be able to deal with being registered as a Republican for the sake of expediency.

[Luminous Animal]

43. He doesn't need to do a thing except reregister with his mom's address...

BUT he will have to vote in the precinct where he is registered.

http://election.dos.state.fl.us/mythsFacts.shtml

#

# MYTH: The address on the driver license must match the address in the voter registration record in order to be able to vote.

FACT: The address on the driver license does not need to match the address in the voter registration record. If you have moved and haven’t changed your driver license to reflect your new address, that’s okay. What is important is that you vote in the precinct where you currently live, no matter what your driver license says.

For more information on this issue, read this helpful guide.

[Sekhmets Daughter]

5. You Are eligible to vote

Don't wait any longer....registration will close here in a few days...get a utility bill from your mother....take it to the Supervisor of Elections office and put her address and your PO box on the form

[NotThisTime]

12. To add your name to your Moms utilities can be done in a day. Obama needs your vote in Florida. Do

whatever you can to get back too being able to vote. It really is that important.

[dkf]

53. Won't that make him possibly responsible for his mom's bills?

And do utility bills land up on credit checks?

[lonestarnot]

62. Well get on it! Hurry! Should we send money, guns and lawyers?

[A HERETIC I AM]

63. LOL

"Send lawyers, guns and money, the shit has hit the fan"

Good ol' Warren

[2ndAmForComputers]

59. Nice try.

[boobooday]

6. Best of luck to you

I hope you are able to use your Mom's address.

You sure deserve a break.

[jimlup]

7. Keep in touch with the Democratic party office...

and do everything that you can to substantiate your current address. Your mom's place seems like the best bet. I switch my license now so that you have an argument that your address is legit. as soon as possible.

Good Luck!

[SoapBox]

9. What about also calling your local State Representatives as well as

your Congress member's offices?

Stirring the pot as much as you can? Maybe it would help??

...I'm grasping at straws here.

[jimlup]

68. I think that is a great idea... particularly if he/she is a dem!

Or better yet find one who is a dem. and give them a call.

[Sekhmets Daughter]

8. Be sure to ask for an absentee ballot...if yu are not going to be near your mother's place on Nov. 6

[Zalatix]

10. They want a "precinctable" address. On a side note, this rule makes stalkers VERY happy.

In short: They want an address tied to a residence.

If you are a stalker who has a few dollars to burn with one of a thousand online information brokers, you can find voting registration records quite easily. You can then go right to that person's house and snuff them out while they sleep. Violent, psycho ex-spouses already know this quite well.

What has completely floored me is that Teabaggers haven't made use of that for domestic terrorism purposes. A single hacker could expose to the whole world the voter registration rolls of an entire state... names, addresses, SSN's, it's all right there.

Our voter registration system is the most effective targeting system for political terrorism you could ever hope for.

[SDjack]

13. Full-time RVers, boaters, truckers, and other travellers

have solved this problem by renting a mailbox from an agent and using the agent's physical address. To find companies that do that, search these terms:
the town and state you want for your residence, rent mail-box physical-address. Check the customer comments before signing up with a company. I know that this works because I have done it for 7 years. When I moved to SD, I got my Rapid City residential address first, through my agent. With that receipt and my passport, I opened a bank account and got a cell phone. With all of those receipts, I got a SD drivers license. I took all of those documents to the voter registrar and got registered. All of that was done in 1 day. My cost: $120 a year to the mailbox company and about $200 a year for forwarding my mail once a month. If you live nearby, you can pick up your mail personally for free.

[Sekhmets Daughter]

18. That commercial property address fingered you for fraudulent registration

Scott has made it very difficult for people to vote.

[SDjack]

71. You are correct. I find that full-timers in Florida are being

denied registration. The two states that make voter registration easily available to full-timers are South Dakota and Texas. South Dakota wants you, and will bend over backwards to make it work for you. The reason is that SD's population is insufficient to be allocated two US Representatives. We have 1 Representative and 2 Senators. SD wants to increase its population and get another Representative.

If you are locked into Florida, the GOP has just screwed you. Sorry about that.

[MysticLynx]

15. Used

to work Arial Construction we traveled all over th US from one contract to another, most of the guys used either the local office or the motel as a mailing address- talk to someone friendly in the office at the motel that knows you see if they will let you use it as a mailing address.

[glowing]

20. That doesn't make any sense! Many people list

a PO box as an address on their drivers license. And I'm sure all those old people that have a PO box are able to vote. What is the problem with this? Do you have 2 forms of proof of residence going into that box? It should prove u live where u live.. Or you can list the hotel that you are staying at as a residence. We have a few people doing that. One man who has been at our hotel for months just had his voter registration show up at our hotel for him. There has to be some way for you to vote. It's how most homeless are able to claim a residency to vote... And college students.

[Luminous Animal]

30. Florida Division of Elections says that you can use your mom's address:

#

# MYTH: If the voter is homeless and has no legal residence, the voter may not vote.

FACT: State registration laws may not discriminate against the homeless in voter registration as long as the homeless applicant for voter registration intends to remain in a locale and has either a place where he can receive messages or an effective mailing address. The homeless person will vote in the precinct where the applicant receives messages (e.g., rescue mission) or the precinct in which the applicant‘s effective mailing address is located.

http://election.dos.state.fl.us/mythsFacts.shtml

[Luminous Animal]

40. I'll edit it now and also include it below... (Also, see post #37 for address info)

http://election.dos.state.fl.us/mythsFacts.shtml

[Luminous Animal]

65. You are welcome! Good luck!

[csziggy]

55. The last time I renewed my Florida driver's license they refused my PO Box

Which I have been using for my DL for over thirty years. They told me they are now required to have a physical address on their records AND on the DL.

I asked them to continue to use the PO Box as a mailing address, but the most recent thing I got from them was sent to my street address. I hate using the street address for important mail - the box is not visible from anywhere on the farm, it constantly gets bashed so it is not weather tight and the carrier usually will not drive up the long driveway to deliver anything that may be damaged if it gets wet.

I've had packages left leaning up against the post the mailbox is on - on the rural road where anyone could stop and pick them up. THAT is why I pay for a PO Box - so my mail is secure and less open for theft.

But apparently PO Boxes are no longer acceptable to the Florida Division of Motor Vehicles!

[glowing]

75. I work at a hotel.... so, I notice, in general, who maintains po boxes.. and why.

It does seem ridiculous that it cannot be on one's ID.

[csziggy]

80. I hate having my street address on my DL

Because many people want to use that address rather than the PO Box. I don' know why the PO Box was good for over thirty years and suddenly is not sufficient. Both the DL Bureau and the Post Office had the street address on file for us so it was not as if we could not be found easily. We've lived on the same property for over thirty years so we're not transients.

Oh yeah - the same DL office also did not want to accept my old Social Security card because the young clerk had never seen one like it. It's the only SS card I've ever had, except for the other original which is still attached to the page my parents got in the late 1950s early 1960s when they got the SS cards for us all. Good thing there was an older clerk there that remembered the old style SS cards or the young clerk would have not accepted it at all.

[Honeycombe8]

21. Hell, if ANYONE deserves to vote, it's you. You've been dealing with a lot & working hard to

better your situation, paying off debt, lining up a new place to live.

Like the other posters said, I'd use your Mom's address. Send in a U S postal service change of address to your mom's house, if you have to (if you're on good terms, you can pick your mail up there, can't you?). Will mail addressed to you at her address be enough to prove residence?

I don't know what all you have to have to prove residence. I wouldn't pay money to have her utilities put in your name. I think that's going too far. Never a good idea to put other people's living expenses under your name.

Good luck. The election is a month away, so I'm not sure what can be done in that time, if the mail thing doesn't work.

[WinkyDink]

22. WHOEVER SPOKE TO YOU IS WRONG!!! Voting is a Constitutional right not dependent upon a domicile---->

"Having a home is not a prerequisite to vote in the United States. But activists and homeless service providers still face major challenges trying to help homeless Americans register.

Pitts v. Black (1984) and several subsequent cases in the 1980s and ’90s established that homeless people could not be denied the right to vote because they did not live in a traditional residence. A shelter, park or street corner can be designated as a residence. In states that require a mailing address for voter registration, homeless voters can usually use the addresses of shelters, churches, friends’ houses, or P.O. boxes."

http://nationalhomeless.org/WordPress/2012/08/why-we-should-care-about-the-homeless-vote/

[WinkyDink]

31. Call the local Democratic office. :-)

[chillfactor]

23. go and apply for a new driver's license RIGHT AWAY!

then go register to vote right away.....with the new address....the temp driver's license should have your photo on it..I got my permanent driver's license in 7 business days.....

[GreenPartyVoter]

36. What about a state I.D. instead? I got my Maine one for $5.

[Luminous Animal]

37. Your driver license and your voter registration addresses do NOT have to match....

MYTH: The address on the driver license must match the address in the voter registration record in order to be able to vote.

FACT: The address on the driver license does not need to match the address in the voter registration record. If you have moved and haven’t changed your driver license to reflect your new address, that’s okay. What is important is that you vote in the precinct where you currently live, no matter what your driver license says.

For more information on this issue, read this helpful guide.

http://election.dos.state.fl.us/mythsFacts.shtml

[julian09]

44. That amounts to quite a poll tax, for the RIGHT to vote. nt

[hrmjustin]

27. Good luck my friend.

[WCGreen]

29. Ask about a provisional ballot...

[mike_c]

35. something's not right about this....

Is this peculiar to Florida? I live in California, have been registered to vote for fifteen years here and have voted in every election during those fifteen years. For the last twelve years, my address has been a P.O. box (my town does not have rural mail delivery). So although I have a place to live, the elections folks have no way of knowing that.

[WillyT]

38. Fight It...Research It... Publicize It... Fight It Even More...

[One Voice]

39. Check out this website:

I don't know if it will help, but it's a resource.
Links, a video, a manual to download, and contacts.
I hope you find some help asap, good luck!

http://www.nationalhomeless.org/projects/vote/index.html

[pnwmom]

41. I think you should apply for a change of address, using your mother's address,

as instructed below. Then apply for an absentee ballot. They'll mail the absentee ballot to your mother's address, so you won't have to go to a polling place and produce a driver's license with the same address.

It doesn't matter that you haven't been using your mother's address for other things. You just moved there. (Lots of people sign up for new addresses right after they move to places.)

http://election.dos.state.fl.us/voter-registration/voter-reg.shtml#change

[cecilfirefox]

42. Get on the horn with them and if you need to register at your mom's address ASAP. If

they give you a confirmation that you are eligible to vote try and get it in writing. If the election workers give you trouble on election day just remove yourself to the County Clerk's office and talk about it there- generally they can record your vote there just as easily, without having to fill a provisional. I think. Not always sure on that.

[Luminous Animal]

45. It appears the Democrats in Tallahassee are clueless in regards to voting rights...

This would be a good opportunity to educate them so that they don't make the similar blunders with others.

http://election.dos.state.fl.us/mythsFacts.shtml

[barbtries]

48. i was just wondering that today.

how do homeless people vote? there should be a way - but i don't know it.
best of luck to you getting it cleared up. of course in FL they'd go after you for having a box instead of a standing address. keep us posted.

[joshcryer]

51. It's not your fault. These scumbags are trying everything to cut you out of being eligible.

[pandr32]

56. Many people use mailbox addresses

If a driver's license has your mailbox address on it it SHOULD be legit. If a person is a citizen they should be able to rent a mailbox as their stable address, especially if their home was foreclosed, they travel a lot, they have an abusive ex, they live in an RV, they occasionally move as renters and so find the mailbox address a permanent solution, they are rural and so have a PO mailbox, or possibly many other reasons besides homelessness. Even if a person was homeless but maintained a mailbox address they should be able to vote--if the US mail gets to you, you are able to use your mailbox address on your tax returns, you should be able to vote. Heck, even active military members have a special APO that is not a physical address where they actually "live."
It is starting to sound like only white landowners will be allowed to vote soon.

[A HERETIC I AM]

57. Thanks for your comments and WELCOME TO DU!!

[geckosfeet]

58. Hang in dude. Don't worry about voting - for now.

[robinlynne]

60. it is NOT your fault. And homeless people do vote and can vote!

Definitely stay on the registrar's office.

[WillyT]

61. Generated A Post Based On Yours... Hope That's Alright...

Link: http://sync.democraticunderground.com/10021448873

[A HERETIC I AM]

64. Of course it's alright.

By all means.

And thanks

[B Calm]

66. A white male land owner

in the state of Florida to be eligible to vote? Just like it was 200 years ago! WOW

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

69. Just say you're a Republican

Then they'll find a way.

[WinkyDink]

83. You know, that DOES seem to be the Occam's Razor answer!

[LittlestStar]

70. Congrats on getting so much debt paid off!

Keep us posted about voter registration. I would just use Mom's address. Can't you just go to DMV and get your license updated with her address?

[coalition_unwilling]

72. Amid all the other excellent suggestions here, I'd like to suggest that you

consider contacting the local chapters of your ACLU and National Lawyers Guild (assuming you have the time and energy), so they can become informed on the issue and possibly start litigation on a serious civil rights issue that seems worthy of intense scrutiny and judicial review.

[Rider3]

73. It's insult to injury

Just what the GOP are good at. Good luck to you. I hope you are able to vote.

[DeeDeeNY]

74. If only your name was Ann Coulter

Then you could commit actual voting fraud and get away with it
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5415

[gateley]

76. mission accomplished.

[VOX]

77. Keep punching! You've battled your way through some serious stuff...

You're a very strong person -- to have kept up the struggle to get out of debt and hang onto your job. Those are major battles, I know.

With your proven grit, you'll also solve this voting issue. Don't give up!

[Warpy]

78. I was voter caged in 2008

and I didn't find out until I got there to vote.

Well, I knew the Republicans had been busy little bees, so I'd made sure to take my voter card and my passport with me and I demanded to know just what the hell was going on. I recited my voting history in local and primary elections up to two months before the Big Day and said I wanted to know just who had taken me off the list. In other words, I was both loud and officious and the Inner Dowager Duchess was fully out and in high dudgeon.

It took them four phone calls downtown and a lot of red faces, but I got to vote that day. This was during early voting and I don't think it would have happened on election day when the place was packed. I also think everyone is going to remember me, the Inner Dowager Duchess has that effect on people.

So please, go in and demand to know what is going on. Voter caging is illegal and the GOP has been fined for it before and they still do it every damned year.

The explanation that you are using a post office box to avoid duns while you're getting out of debt is a valid one, so don't worry about that.

And good for you for getting out from under that kind of debt. One of the happiest days of my life was when I kissed off the mortgage and was 100% debt free.

[luvspeas]

81. I greatly admire the lengths you have gone to to get your life back on track...

If you work half as hard to try to register I have no doubt you will find a way.

[a2liberal]

82. "So......it is my fault, no doubt. I've only myself to blame."

ABSOLUTELY NOT! Don't let the vote suppressors have you blaming yourself for not having figured out their scheme sooner. But definitely do what you need to to get registered now that you know.

[toby jo]

84. oh...just go git you your gun

and git you some freedom fries and fogetabout the party of small guvmint shownin how a small guvmint mind works.

Try opening a checking acct with Mom's address. They'll send checks out right away with that address.