The attacks on Lincoln Project are why we lose.

[joshcryer]

If this is not a self-evident statement, then I can explain it to you.

LP was a moment in the phase of election history where some from the other side came to our side (motivations, intentions, are irrelevant). In a deeply partisan environment where both sides were at each others throats.

It doesn't matter if LP brought a single vote over to the Democrats, though, if the exit polls about white men are to be believed, there's an argument to be made there. What matters is being decent, being kind, being good to one another. It really, really, is possible to elucidate opposing opinions without being toxic, without being utterly uncompromising.

The Republicans have used this partisan bullshit against us for too long, and they have used it so effectively. They take local politics over with such ease because it becomes a rural vs city type thing, and because the US Republic has a fetish for land over people it gives them control over states.

To take back the country, to do good to people, to do things right, is to be adults, to be kind to one another, to stop the partisan hackery. To stop the purity testing, to stop acting above one another.

We can still appreciate the LP for what they did and dispute their motivations going forward. We can still resist the "inclination toward the right" that they may try to push. But if anything this election has proved, is that the country is deeply purple. We can still push for medicare for all while also pushing for coverage for preexisting conditions and the public option. We can still push for universal basic income while also advocating for assistance for the downtrodden.

Biden is going to show us the way forward, and we're going to start winning, and winning big, and we're going to be good together, and we're going to win together. Trump showed us what deeply partisan bullshit would do to us as a country. We will be better. The long nightmare is over.

[cwydro]

1. Rec.

[Politicub]

2. I see more posts about attacks on the LP than actual attacks

Where are all of these attacks? This must be happening in forums I don’t frequent or something.

[spooky3]

10. Charles Pierce of Esquire wrote a column critical of LP.

It was linked in an OP at DU and many commented.

[Cha]

33. That's too bad.. I appreciate what all

they did for Democracy.

And, that's not going to change how I feel.

Aloha, Spooky.

[SunSeeker]

69. Well, that's the first time I've disagreed with Charles Pierce.

Biden picked up a sliver of suburban whites that previously voted for Trump. That was crucial in capturing the suburbs of Philadelphia and Pittsburgh. And that was Project Lincoln's target audience.

[sheshe2]

11. They have all been in GD.

Not always OPs, comments as well.

[Violet_Crumble]

13. I've seen them too, sheshe

I love the Lincoln Project. As a foreigner looking in in horror, at what Trump has done to your country, they personify Country over party. ...

Congrats on your new President elect

[sheshe2]

20. Hey,Violet.

I saw your post the other day speaking about Australia.

We have a very long row to hoe, but we can do this. TLP may help us. I saw today, their newest ad about the run off race in Georgia for the Senate. They are going after Perdue. They may well help us win a majority.

Me thinks the world will sleep better when Biden's win is announced. Our country was not the only one that was impacted by this President, fact is the whole world was.

Thanks~

[joshcryer]

12. AOC and several threads here.

I think you're seeing more threads about defending LP because a lot of us appreciate what they did and we want to reach across and say look we can be good to one another. And that's precisely the message that Joe Biden said in his speech together. Trumpism must be defeated and it can only be defeated through love and kindness.

[Cha]

30. I've seen them... & this is the first

I've seen pointing it out. That I recall anyway.. so much news coming down the pike!

[pazzyanne]

72. + 1 nt

[live love laugh]

32. +1

[George II]

80. They're all over the place. Here's one OP from Wednesday:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=14452138

And there are several right here in this thread - either upon The Lincoln Project itself or it's founders.

[BigDemVoter]

3. I'm sure glad they helped. I've seen too many Democratic candidates since 1968

fail to fight the way we needed to. Do I disagree with the Democratic Platforms? Not one bit. But too often Dems bring forks and dinner knives to outright nuclear warfare and try to battle military grade weapons. It doesn't work. Dems need to learn to fight back in the same way the repigs do. Otherwise, we'll lose each and every time. I've seen it happen many, many, many, many times. . .

[MontanaFarmer]

4. Here's the thing:

They're not quitting. They're going to go to work in the GA runoffs. Trumpism wasn't defeated on Tuesday, even though trump was. I was glad to have them in the battle, will be glad to see them throw atomic elbows at Loeffler and Perdue, and if the republican party frees itself someday from the cult of trumpism, maybe we end up back on opposite sides.

[sheshe2]

22. Someone posted their new ad today.

They went after Perdue. I am sure Loeffler will be next.

Sorry, don't know where it was posted.

[George II]

83. This came out yesterday:

Link to tweet

[sheshe2]

95. That's the one!

Thank you 😊

[Cha]

37. Oh yeah.. I hadn't even thought of that

yet.. Good on TLP. They are helping us..

Georgia Senators' races are going to be Brutal!! For the Senate!

[OnDoutside]

89. And it must be also remembered that TLP weren't working in every state, in every race, which Pierce

and the others omit to mention (either by design or ignorance), AND they haven't even finished counting all the votes yet !!!

Just one of their singular successes was putting their ads on Fox News in the DC metro area so they knew Trump would see them, and within that, their Brad Parscale ad was clearly instrumental in his demise as Trump's Campaign Manager.

[Cha]

103. Mahalo for that, OnDoutside.. & WE

WON!!!

[Thekaspervote]

5. Agree completely! And was saddened and mad as hell at the esquire piece dissing TLP

[Cha]

39. I don't think it's wise to attack our

allies in the most life and death race EVER.

[bdtrppr6]

6. they'll be back to rat

fucking Dems ASAP. never trusted that shit in the least. Rick Wilson is a fucking asshole.

the win was "just barely". senate and house were a total disaster from what we were being led to believe.

where's that "total death of the Republican Party?" kicking and breathing from my perspective. and more dangerous in the coming years.

[womanofthehills]

27. The Lincoln Project put all their money and time into defeating Trump -

They only spent 15 mil on senate races because getting rid of Trump was their priority. Their main concentrations were the suburbs of Wi, Mich, Pa, Arizona, Georgia. They pulled out of Florida early because they knew Trump would win there

Now besides the Georgia run offs, their focus will be fighting the cult of Trumpism. For a new organization they had 40 staff, almost 70 volunteers and thousands of volunteers on digital media. Sounds great to me. Rick Wilson is great. He said he always believed the race was super tight and they would be doing great if they helped 4% of Republicans change their votes but it turned out the % was more like 10. I enjoy Rick on the Lincoln Project podcasts and on “The New Abnormal” podcast with Molly Jung Fast.

[George II]

82. People said that would happen RIGHT AFTER the election. Well, this is their work a few days after...

...the election:

Link to tweet

[spooky3]

7. Their videos kept my spirits up, many times. Nt

[Ponietz]

8. Don't attack allies -- Sun Tzu for Idiots

[link:http://

Link to tweet

?s=21|

[Cracklin Charlie]

9. They've done yeoman's work for this cycle.

I give them due credit.

I don’t believe they’re going anywhere. I hope they grow and expand their operation. If we are to have a two party system, it would help to have people of character in each party. They could be a group that holds both parties to account. They have certainly laid waste to most (all?) of the corrupt members of their own party this cycle.

Props.

[sheshe2]

14. Hey, Josh.

So good to see you.

I have liked their work and think it made an impact on many people. I give credit where credit is due. I accept their help, just like I do with my GOP Governor who has done a decent job with COVID and has gone head to head with The Don. I am not planning to marry them and take a vow nor do I plan to vote for them.

To take back the country, to do good to people, to do things right, is to be adults, to be kind to one another, to stop the partisan hackery. To stop the purity testing, to stop acting above one another.

This. Exactly this.

[herding cats]

15. I'm sick of purity tests.

National politics are deeply more complicated than what I like, or what you like. It's extremely complicated on many levels. We need to accept, sometimes outside our hemisphere assistance is ok. Then we need to be adults and accept winning is the end goal. That's how our system is set up. It's sucks, but without 67 US Senators voting to change it, it's holding. Ok? We all understand that sucky fact now? Let me repeat myself, it takes 67 US Senators to change our system. We need to flip a butt ton of conservative senators (which means we're going to have to run moderates to their seats, these aren't areas (look at this election) brimming with liberal votes to some of these seats.

Not everyone thinks or feels like you and me, I know that sucks. I don't like it either! It's still true.

I'm never supporting a Romney (type) for President. So, can we all just relax, please? I'm blue to the bone.

I'm willing to bring a far leftist into my home to experience how it truly is in a red district. Maybe this could help show them what it's like in these voting regions? It's not the utopia of helping them you think. They're a cult and need intervention a political party cannot provide. They're scary, they're United in their propaganda. They' hate us with a passion.

Anyone else willing to start such an internship? We need to educate people in the reality of the electorate outside their bubble.

[Cha]

42. Amen & Hallelujah!

Democracy! All hands on Deck.

TLP did more for us than say those who call the Democracy Party "coastal elite".

How are you doing, Cat? Your family?

[herding cats]

66. Not a person who need so will heed my offer, Cha.

They're all better than the likes of me and my region. They'll either trash us, or expound on how we'd be receptive to more leftist policy due to a *hidden* leftist populist here. I am sick unto the point of death of it all. It's not real.

My mom's healing. She's doing better than expected!! They're trying to get their feet back underneath them, and I have faith it will all eventually work out for them. They're applying for an SBA loan which might be a game changer. Maybe, possibly, they might get something else to live in here which they can call home? I'veq a new respect for people who've lost every single thing they ever owned and their resilience.

It's been hard, but I'm optimistic for them in time. Baby steps every day.

[Cha]

74. I know it's so hard, Cats.

It's got to be unbearable at times.. I know how that feels for a different reason.. and all we can do is just take one minute at a time some days.

I'm so glad your Mom is doing unexpectedly Well.. 'cause the first thing we need is our health! If we don't have that.. there's no energy to deal with all the other many Challenges.

Here's to much better days down the road!

[JI7]

16. Those who are upset are the ones who usually spend election time saying what the candidate

needs to do and then demanding why they should vote for them . The usual things you see almost all the time.

The LP just supported the candidate while attacking the opponent. They didn't make demands in order for them to support them.

[joshcryer]

17. That is such an important distinction, I didn't think about.

The fact that LP didn't demand a damn thing, only attacked the opponent, and supported Biden, is true proof of their reaching across the isle.

[sheshe2]

25. +1

[Cha]

43. Mahalo, Excellent points!

[betsuni]

79. The "earn my vote" thing before one is elected or when Republicans control Congress

and Democrats don't have the votes for progressive legislation doesn't make any sense.

[Spazito]

100. Well said! n/t

[milestogo]

18. What did we lose?

[herding cats]

21. Purity.

We can't accept help from anyone not as ideology pure as ourselves. It somehow taints our brand.

I don't make the rules, I'm just expressing them as some see them.

[Deuxcents]

19. I'm happy for their efforts

We need everyone of like minds to fix the mess we’re in. Even those we don’t always agree with. They were on point and I think, made a difference. Our tent is big enough for the LP..they may even zap Biden now n then..let’s have those conversations. We’ve been divided so long we can’t seem to help ourselves with our US n THEM stance.

[melman]

23. So you're saying neither their motivation *or* their effectiveness matter

I'm gonna have to disagree with that. If those things don't matter then what does?


And then you say we should all appreciate what they did. But here's the thing. We don't all agree on what that was.

[George II]

86. Here is their motivation:

https://lincolnproject.us/

The Lincoln Project
DEDICATED AMERICANS PROTECTING DEMOCRACY

The Lincoln Project is holding accountable those who would violate their oaths to the Constitution and would put others before Americans.

As for their effectiveness, Biden in leading by less than 90,000 votes in four states combined, states that will put him over 270 Electoral Votes.

Those four states had a total of 16,000,000 people vote. So they only had to have an "effect" on 0.6% of the voters to have been the huge help that they have been in this election.

I've likened this to WWII several times. The Soviet Union was not our "friend" after the Russian Revolution, but without their assistance in WWII we likely would not have defeated Germany.

Thank GOD for their motivation and effectiveness!!

Thank GOD that Roosevelt and Churchill didn't question whether or not they wanted their help.

[live love laugh]

24. OMG I tire of the daily allegiance pledges to TLP. Must they be shoved down our throats? nt

[womanofthehills]

36. They helped get rid of Trump - yea - that's a huge thing

They said their adds were more about getting under Trumps skin to help direct Trump’s narrative. They have first hand knowledge and lots of info about Trump because of their connections.

[Cha]

47. TLP is Appreciated. why are you resorting

to insulting her?

[live love laugh]

49. Why are you harassing me? nt

[Cha]

52. Why are you accusing me of

"harassment"? If you can't answer the question just say so.

[live love laugh]

55. There's no insult. nt

[NurseJackie]

94. Absolutely ridiculous. Nobody is doing that to you.

Someone disagrees with you. Someone is challenging you or questioning you... but that's not "harassing" you. What an absurd thing to say... ESPECIALLY on a hot-topic thread on a political discussion forum.

[betsuni]

58. When appreciating help getting Trump out of office is "allegiance"

Like the millions of times lies about Democrats are debunked and the response is, "Why do you think Democrats are perfect?" and insults about echo chambers and cheerleading and a cult. Ridiculous.

[Cha]

62. Exactly. TY! There is no "allegiance".. It's called

Appreciation.

Definition of allegiance..

loyalty or commitment of a subordinate to a superior or of an individual to a group or cause.
"those wishing to receive citizenship must swear allegiance to the republic

[betsuni]

63. OMG you responded to my post. WHY ARE YOU HARASSING ME?

[Cha]

67. LOL.. IKR! Several attempts to

change the subject.. didn't work. I have better things to do like Fight For OUR Democracy and may be go watch a TLP Video!

[Cha]

44. You don't have to pay one bit

of attention to them.

The rest of us Appreciate their Efforts FOR Democracy!

They didn't bash the Dem Party.. just Exposed the Murderous Psycho.

[live love laugh]

48. You speak for the entire site then? nt

[Cha]

50. Don't try to change the subject .. it

doesn't work.

[live love laugh]

51. You said that the rest of you appreciate TLP. I didn't change the subject. I asked if you speak for

the entire site?

[Cha]

53. The subject was "Appreciation" for TLP.

[live love laugh]

54. So you DON'T speak for everyone here.

I thought so.

🤣

[Cha]

57. Never said I did.. that's your misinterpretation.

[live love laugh]

60. "The rest of us Appreciate their Efforts FOR Democracy!"

Well are you everyone’s spokesperson here? I’m asking for future reference in case I need to check for consensus before posting my opinion.

I thought I knew my way around after more than a decade but maybe I missed something?

[Cha]

64. You're still misinterpreting.

[NurseJackie]

96. That's correct. The sarcastic "humor" (and veiled insults) indicate a position of weakness.

You certainly don't deserve to be treated that way, Cha.

Mahalo for your efforts!

Looks like today is the day that the race will be called.

[Cha]

104. Mahalo, Jackie! for your

kind words!

Yes the race OMG was called today.. it's going to take me awhile to Process this!!!

In the Streets!

[George II]

81. "They didn't bash the Dem Party" - exactly.

[USALiberal]

91. I get tired of people whining! nt

[renate]

26. I *think* the criticism was based on the amount of $ that people donated to them

Rather than to get-out-the-vote organizations or individual candidates. It seems fair enough. I love them, but I would only go as far as retweeting their videos, personally. I don’t know whether they were as effective as other groups.

And I may be gullible but I think they are sincerely anti-Trumpism. Who knows whether they’re on our side forever, but they’re on our side now. I appreciate them.

[melman]

35. They're not even on our side now

At least two of the principals (Wilson, Stevens) have worked for Republicans during Trump's term.


And that 67 million they raised? You can bet a big chunk will go to "rebuilding the Republican Party, with the goal of making it the majority party" as Michael Steele said this week. That is their stated goal! Rebuilding the Republican party!

[George II]

93. More than 60 million of the 67 has already been spent on this campaign.

[womanofthehills]

41. They had thousands of volunteers on digital media -

They said tonight that the videos were mostly directed at Trump (made to anger Trump & direct his narrative ). The biggie was having so many volunteers working social media for them.

[Cha]

56. And, TLP is FOR Democracy!

[quickesst]

29. the Lincoln project....

.... aired anti-Trump/republican ads that were actually better in content and presentation than most ads by the DNC, and Joe Biden. I'll go out on a limb here and bet that that like most of us, Joe and Kamala appreciated them.
To automatically assume that the Lincoln project and its members will turn on Joe Biden and the Democrats once Trump is out of the White House is simply shallow thinking. If anything, I believe this entire episode is going to pave the way for Joe Biden's vision of cooperation, and reaching across the aisle. The Lincoln projects members did not put forth this effort to remove trump only to replace his government with more of the same under a different name in 2024.
Despite trump's best efforts, this is still America, and in America, innocent until proven guilty are not empty words without meaning.

[JonLP24]

31. Bullshit

Lincoln Project put up a huge billboard in the uncontested Times Square. Trump got 93% of the Republican vote.

Listening to the Lincoln Project is why we lose.

[womanofthehills]

45. Bullshit back - we didn't lose and their goal was to get at least 4% of Republicans to vote for Bide

About 10% did.

[Cha]

59. Your Insult to the OP right BACK.

[USALiberal]

92. LOL, parody?? nt

[JonLP24]

34. Rick Wilson squirms talking anti-Trump Super-PAC, The Lincoln Project

[Sewa]

46. Give it a fucking rest

How many TLP worship threads are needed?

Stacy Abrams and her crew did the heavy lifting on the ground.

[betsuni]

61. K&R

[JHB]

65. No. "Why we lose" is because we have no counter to the right's media counterculture

We lose because they pound their messaging out every single day 24/7 through multiple outlets. They turn their spin into the background radiation that permeates all of our politics. We don't bother to do that, and any time someone suggest it the reply is "Air America tried it and failed, so why bother?". A sample of one is considered proof for all cases.

I'm fine with welcoming former Republicans into the fold. I'm a lot less fine with welcoming largely unrepentant people who spent their adult lives making the Republican party into the hot mess of zealotry that it is today. I'm willing to change my mind about that too, but I insist on an actual track record of post-Team Evil work. That's something that starts in earnest now, past the point where they're treading on Trump-branded hot coals. Now is when they have to prove their word by attacking their less cartoonish former clients.

These guys touted themselves as the ones who knew how to reach the minds of Republican voters (because that's what they did for all of their careers). Yet somehow more Republicans voted for Trump this year than in 2016, and here we are with razor-thin margins in key states, no "blue tsunami" in the Senate, and lost ground in the House. So if you want to wave the Lincoln Project flag so hard, you're admitting that you hold the view that we would have decisively lost on all fronts without their aid.

Or, one can take the less radical view that in the end, they simply weren't all that effective. Electorally, that is. In terms of separating people from their money, they did just fine.

[Gore1FL]

68. ???

Why we lose is because we worship conservatives.

[SunSeeker]

70. K & R

[Snackshack]

71. Agreed

Attacking LP is foolish.

Churchill supposedly said: “If Hitler invaded hell I would at least say a good word about the Devil in the House of Commons”

LP helped out immensely even if it was only in airtime. Dems could learn a lot about how to fight against the GOP because they are obviously not that good at it, if the DNC was LP would have never done what they did.

[lame54]

73. Why aren't they thanking us...

For being non-assholes longer than 8 months?

[Nasruddin]

75. Not to attack

Read Pierce's article or AOC's more direct and maybe better thought out twitter critique.

The point is not to attack the LP personally - I am sure they mean well.
The question is, was it effective? Was it possibly counterproductive?
We should be able to quantify this. I see a lot of numbers being thrown around - can we get some analysis behind them?

[melman]

76. Rick Wilson November 2017

Keep in mind this is late 2017...so nearly one year into Trump's term.

--
I've never been a fan of the Clintons. I didn't go into election night thinking, This is so fabulous, and it's going to be really great to have Hillary Clinton as president. In fact, I was trying to race ahead a little bit and figure out how to rebuild the Republican Party and get it back on track to where it can effectively counter a Hillary Clinton presidency, because it's going to be a statist nightmare. I fucking loathed the woman. She's a terrible, monstrous human being.


My critique of Donald Trump from the start was from the right. I believe in limited government. He does not. I believe in the rule of law. He obviously, obviously does not. All these differences about what I thought Trump's risk factors were between myself and the bulk of my Republican friends, it's a pretty sharp dividing line. And I felt that dividing line Election Night pretty strongly. I try not to say this flippantly, because I think it underplays it if you're flippant about it: I truly believe Donald Trump has a mental disease or disorder that puts this country at tremendous risk.

---

I've got some political clients that are starting to pop back on the radar too, which is interesting. Right now, I'm very quietly working on a political committee for a statewide candidate who is a rabid pro-Trumper on paper. He's only doing it because he's in a multiway Republican primary and recognizes that he has to play in a primary where the Republicans love Donald Trump right now. But he wants me around in the background to help to make the turn back to—as he put it to me—"back to sanity when I win the primary."

https://www.vice.com/en/article/zmzwn3/trumps-victory-changed-my-entire-life

--


note: Wilson's terrible statement about HRC is posted because I think it's terrible. It's not me that is bashing. It is Rick Wilson. I believe it is important to show who it is we're really talking about when we're talking about Wilson and the Lincoln Project.

[VicNEO]

77. Agreed! Tired of division

Lincoln project deserves credit.
Stacey A deserves credit.

So very tired of political divisiveness.

Time to heal Our Nation.

Move on. Move forward.

No space for “mean girls/guys”

I have always voted person over party. The AOC’s of the world need to realize they will be the ones to push out voters.

[halfulglas]

78. I love Charlie Pierce and his way with words but

He doesn't prove his premise. During WW2 we took our allies where we could, knowing we had a common cause but some different goals and different motives. For one thing, though we can't really measure in actual verifiable votes, let's appreciate that their humor and creativity certainly helped our morale when they put a new one up. We don't know how many Republicans in the suburbs viewed them and saw Trump and their party in a different light. We can't dispute that they have been allies to us. We're not going to marry them, but we can appreciate them.

[OnDoutside]

85. Indeed, even the Communists in Russia were willing to work alongside the United States in WW2, yet

the self-described Democratic Socialists in the Democratic Party, can't bring themselves to work alongside former Republican ad men and women, in the fight against the single greatest threat to American Democracy. That is where it's at, regrettably.

[George II]

87. I've been saying that since I saw the first attacks on TLP a month or more ago....

Without the Soviets' assistance in WWII we probably never could have won the war.

[OnDoutside]

90. Yes, even though they knew that the US was a threat to them, they were glad of America's help when

it mattered most.

[Tom Rinaldo]

88. You and I may disagree on some other matters, but I am with you regarding the Lincoln Project

To be clear, I don't value them over the contributions of the left wing of the Democratic coalition, but I fully value the contribution they have made as Americans in defense of our democracy. You are correct, Steven Schmidt loves America as much as AOC, and vice versa. the Trumpsters attempted to weaponize cheap slogan based "patriotism" for partisan attacks to discredit anyone who stands against them as "enemies of the people." The Lincoln Project stands against them and that deplorable to the point of traitorous effort.

Fundamentally, as partisan as I personally am, I believe in a two party (or more with ranked voting) system, because unchecked power does eventually lead to unchecked corruption. If Democrats must have opposition, let it at least be principled, and let us all affirm the basic common good.

[Autumn]

97. Why we lose? We just elected Joe Biden. That's a big fucking deal.

My opinion will not change on them

[joshcryer]

99. We lost 3 SCOTUS seats.

Choice for women is likely to be contested and revoked in a year or so. The ACA is about to be utterly gutted.

We didn't get a blue wave. There will be no expanding the courts. We have a hell of a fight on our hands gaining the senate (which the LP will support). We didn't gain legislatures in a census year, and will be further gerrymandered into weakness.

We will be putting out Trump's fires for the next decade.

And all because we fell for a purity test.

[Autumn]

102. Yeah we did. That's all on Mitch, not on anyone who despises your LP and if they did anything to

attempt to prevent that that, which I never saw and I would find that hard to believe since they as Republicans like policies and action of their party it's Trump that they hate they fucking failed at that too. Loathing Republicans who demonized democrats for 30 years is not a purity test. Insisting people MUST like a coven of Republicans because some admire something that they did IS a purity test. I found their welcoming Dick Cheney to the resistance commercial to be offensive, mainly because he's still alive. Fuck em, I still got no use for them and I don't give damn if they got Cheney to vote for Biden or not. YMOV

as for this from your post

We didn't get a blue wave. There will be no expanding the courts. We have a hell of a fight on our hands gaining the senate (which the LP will support). We didn't gain legislatures in a census year, and will be further gerrymandered into weakness.

More people voted in this election than in any other election. Whose fault is that all those millions of extra voters didn't vote for a blue wave? Whose fault is it that McConnell, Lindsey and Collins kept their Senate seats? Want to blame people who loath the LP for that too?


By the way, here's another point. Not a single progressive lost their seat in the House. The losses were all moderates. Interesting little point no?

[WhiskeyGrinder]

98. Why are people defending an org that made no phone calls, texts or mailings,

did no door-knocking or GOTV, accepted money from rank-and-file Democrats to enrich themselves, is actively still fundraising, and is actively serving as a real-time experiment to determine what moves the window to the right? Make it make sense.

[Dem2]

101. I agree

I believe some here are a party of one - unwilling to work with with anybody it seems.

[AmericanCanuck]

105. The TLP are proving to be honest and reliable partners to the Democrats

They also prevent any fringe group from extorting the mainstream leadership by providing a balance.