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Why hasn't CNN called Pennsylvania? (Original Post) JonLP24 Nov 2020 OP
Bill Maher called it tonight. Good enough for me. Hoyt Nov 2020 #1
Here's NBC's response DesertRat Nov 2020 #2
pretty weak sauce there. NRaleighLiberal Nov 2020 #4
Tension/anxiety/suspense are good for ratings. That's what they care about. RockRaven Nov 2020 #3
I really think it's much more about fear coti Nov 2020 #23
Because we can't trust the GOP MF's MomInTheCrowd Nov 2020 #5
There are almost TEN TIMES the outstanding vote... regnaD kciN Nov 2020 #6
And yet in 2016 they called WI with 0.4% margin with 7% of the vote outstanding. Statistical Nov 2020 #9
+1 uponit7771 Nov 2020 #13
they did that TheRealNorth Nov 2020 #25
Those aren't the number of outstanding ballots as I understand it. Nt coti Nov 2020 #24
Because it's this asshole (DJT), they are crossing all Ts and dotting all Is and checking it thrice? Brainfodder Nov 2020 #7
I think you're referring to Trump and not the person who posted, tanyev Nov 2020 #14
Not by me JonLP24 Nov 2020 #18
Definitely referring to Death Count Donnie! Brainfodder Nov 2020 #20
The call should not be taking various legal challenges into account greenjar_01 Nov 2020 #8
Here's why they won't call it: SCantiGOP Nov 2020 #10
Ha. cwydro Nov 2020 #16
Time to tweet horacio Nov 2020 #11
welcome to DU gopiscrap Nov 2020 #29
It's turned into some bad limited series like on Netflix or something. miyazaki Nov 2020 #12
Because Republicans in the media and red states are trying to steal it. nt live love laugh Nov 2020 #15
I'm thinking of it as murder by inches. littlemissmartypants Nov 2020 #17
Cliff hangers bring people back for more. StarryNite Nov 2020 #19
They are playing chicken with Fox. Period nt relayerbob Nov 2020 #21
I'd love to see Fox call it first. Native Nov 2020 #28
What are they supposed to call it? halfulglas Nov 2020 #22
one reason? MFM008 Nov 2020 #26
Over 200,000 votes left to be counted so they want more results first to be sure wishstar Nov 2020 #27

DesertRat

(27,995 posts)
2. Here's NBC's response
Sat Nov 7, 2020, 01:01 AM
Nov 2020
.@NBCNews Decision Desk's John Lapinski notes: “This particular year, there are just so many curveballs that have been thrown our way that we really are taking a little bit more time to make sure that we understand exactly what we're seeing and analyzing it.”


RockRaven

(15,037 posts)
3. Tension/anxiety/suspense are good for ratings. That's what they care about.
Sat Nov 7, 2020, 01:01 AM
Nov 2020

They don't care about truth, informing the public, journalism, patriotism, democracy, or any of that.

They want just people to watch. Because watchers = revenue. That's it. So they pursue the most fruitful avenue of capturing/manipulating the audience at any given moment. In this moment that means not calling the election.

coti

(4,612 posts)
23. I really think it's much more about fear
Sat Nov 7, 2020, 01:41 AM
Nov 2020

I've always seen fear as a much more powerful emotion than even greed.

regnaD kciN

(26,045 posts)
6. There are almost TEN TIMES the outstanding vote...
Sat Nov 7, 2020, 01:07 AM
Nov 2020

...(absentee and provisional) as the current margin. Even though the vast majority of those are from “blue” areas, you’d be nuts to call it until that ratio decreases drastically.

TheRealNorth

(9,500 posts)
25. they did that
Sat Nov 7, 2020, 02:19 AM
Nov 2020

based on the voting pattern of the counties that were yet to report.

In general, I am pretty cautious and of the opinion that its not over until the number of remaining uncounted ballots is less than the margin of votes separating the two candidates.

Brainfodder

(6,423 posts)
7. Because it's this asshole (DJT), they are crossing all Ts and dotting all Is and checking it thrice?
Sat Nov 7, 2020, 01:07 AM
Nov 2020

Air tight to call it? NO doubts whatsoever by counting every vote?
Getting it right?
Delays the expected BS a bit longer, so prepared better?
There appears no path, that is all that matters!



tanyev

(42,636 posts)
14. I think you're referring to Trump and not the person who posted,
Sat Nov 7, 2020, 01:17 AM
Nov 2020

but you might want to clarify that because this got alerted.

 

greenjar_01

(6,477 posts)
8. The call should not be taking various legal challenges into account
Sat Nov 7, 2020, 01:09 AM
Nov 2020

Who will end up with more votes, given the ballots that have been counted and the ballots remaining? Given the 27,800 Biden lead, Trump would have to carry a large majority of the remaining vote to catch up. He's not even gong to carry a bare majority of it, and may even be under at the rate he has to be over, and everybody - including the NBC Decision Desk - knows it.

SCantiGOP

(13,874 posts)
10. Here's why they won't call it:
Sat Nov 7, 2020, 01:11 AM
Nov 2020

“And we’re calling Florida for Al Gore. He will be the next President of the United States.”

That, and it keeps their ratings up a few more days.

horacio

(2 posts)
11. Time to tweet
Sat Nov 7, 2020, 01:12 AM
Nov 2020

I think it's time we start tweeting at the networks, they are just a mix of ratings grabbing and cowardice right now.

littlemissmartypants

(22,839 posts)
17. I'm thinking of it as murder by inches.
Sat Nov 7, 2020, 01:20 AM
Nov 2020

I want him to suffer through the counting of each and every vote against him. May they multiply and may the cumulative effects break the proverbial camel's back.

Amen

halfulglas

(1,654 posts)
22. What are they supposed to call it?
Sat Nov 7, 2020, 01:38 AM
Nov 2020

Sorry, I couldn't resistant that.

The reason why CNN or MSNBC haven't called it is that they are afraid of being wrong and being mocked later for jumping the gun. The networks with all their tech (and for that matter we citizens) are not used to the relatively low tech paper ballots and how much time they can consume, especially with how some of the GOP designated poll watchers can slow things down even more by nitpicking some of the counting.

The states are being super careful because of Trump's threats ahead of time signaling his intent to litigate the hell out of anything he can to cheat his way to bringing it to the SC to see if he can lean on the justices he feels owe him their jobs. So the counting is being more transparent than usual.

wishstar

(5,272 posts)
27. Over 200,000 votes left to be counted so they want more results first to be sure
Sat Nov 7, 2020, 04:36 AM
Nov 2020

Last edited Sat Nov 7, 2020, 05:37 AM - Edit history (1)

After all the accusations of bias and fake news from T., media doesn't want to be accused of stealing election from Trump so they are letting the counting play out thoroughly to stand on its own without media jumping in prematurely

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