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Sat Nov 7, 2020, 11:23 AM

I want to get involved in a group

That addresses our societal and political dysfunction in America.

I have been talking a Truth and Reconciliation commission like S Africa for years. Maybe my 1st step will be to read and learn more about it, and go from there. Even as Biden's win moves toward inevitability, there are so many red flags for America's future.

As global resources dwindle, and populations increase, this will only become more urgent.

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Reply I want to get involved in a group (Original post)
cilla4progress Nov 2020 OP
Hugin Nov 2020 #1
cilla4progress Nov 2020 #2
Hugin Nov 2020 #10
cilla4progress Nov 2020 #13
Hugin Nov 2020 #18
cilla4progress Nov 2020 #20
Hortensis Nov 2020 #3
Klaralven Nov 2020 #8
Hortensis Nov 2020 #12
Klaralven Nov 2020 #14
Hortensis Nov 2020 #15
Klaralven Nov 2020 #17
Hortensis Nov 2020 #19
WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2020 #4
cilla4progress Nov 2020 #5
WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2020 #7
cilla4progress Nov 2020 #21
Mike 03 Nov 2020 #6
Hortensis Nov 2020 #16
Boogiemack Nov 2020 #9
Klaralven Nov 2020 #11
cilla4progress Nov 2020 #22
cilla4progress Nov 2020 #23
Steelrolled Nov 2020 #24

Response to cilla4progress (Original post)

Sat Nov 7, 2020, 11:31 AM

1. +1

Something like this is way past due.

Even requiring civics & social ethics in High School curriculums would help.

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Response to Hugin (Reply #1)

Sat Nov 7, 2020, 11:33 AM

2. Impossible to reach agreement on

What and how it would be taught!

Crap, half don't even accept basic science!

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Response to cilla4progress (Reply #2)

Sat Nov 7, 2020, 12:04 PM

10. One major thing has changed in my way of thinking over the years...

I used to be fairly libertarian (Please, notice the lower case 'l') in my views toward society. It went like this, if one doesn't like how things are run where you are then go over the next mountain or river and start something how you believe it should be run.
A fairly common thought and possibly a universal human view of the nature of how things ought to work. I'll admit, a very exploitative idea which grew out of the explosive growth of industry and technology over the first half of the last century. Real wisdom was left on the way side.

What is different now is that the population of this country and the world has more than doubled and with that growth there are no more mountains or rivers to cross to start anew. (It was finite and limited to begin with.) Huge swaths of the human population have not come to terms with this reality, yet. If we as a species are to survive we must shift from an exclusively growth ideology to one based on maintenance and compromise. Social responsibility. Recognizing that all is finite and everyone deserves a comfortable share or at the very least a fair share of the resources.

If that doesn't happen we will not survive.

All I see is more of the same and denial of the situation.

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Response to Hugin (Reply #10)

Sat Nov 7, 2020, 12:37 PM

13. I completely subscribe to

your perspective from your 3rd paragraph on.

It is interesting - obviously you don't know this about me - but I live between a mountain and a river. When I moved here in 1990, there were still (and still remain now!) remnants of that time when you could just push your car over the mountain to dispose of it; hell, no would ever see it and it would just rot in peace. The banks of the mighty majestic Columbia River where I live were DISGUSTINGLY AND EXTENSIVELY LITTERED with toxic waste - vehicles, appliances, you get the drift. Fortunately, much of this has been cleaned up; at least the part visible to the eye. I'm sure many, many toxins remain in the soil and water that can only be detected with instruments.

I can see the shift you describe taking 100 years! Certainly a generational shift, and there are encouraging signs right now in our youth!

I also agree that these Boogaloos are clinging to that world you describe in your 1st paragraph. Where everyone can carry a loaded weapon, as our communities were small enough to know the good guys from the bad (then why do you need to carry a loaded weapon, one might ask? In case of encounter with a wildebeest?). Where charioting around with flags was simply a sign of your loyalties to your head warlord? Where blazing through resources was just fine because - as you say - they were infinite?

Well, I am finding my mission in this moment. That's the best I can do right now.

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Response to cilla4progress (Reply #13)

Sat Nov 7, 2020, 01:19 PM

18. The youth is indeed and in all respects the future.

The way ahead as I see it, is... Youth has always come forward wanting independence and trust, but, craving and needing guidance without judgment. We need to encourage and reward their wise choices by highlighting the exceedingly poor choices of the past.

Glad to hear you don't buy into the philosophy portrayed in my 1st paragraph. In that way lies utter and complete misery and ruin.

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Response to Hugin (Reply #18)

Sat Nov 7, 2020, 02:30 PM

20. Yes!

I've been thinking a lot about Joe Biden's age. I see him as a wise elder - he brings wisdom and experience to his leadership. Kamala is the future, progress, where we are headed. Which includes diverse voices and dispersed power.

They complement each other so well!

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Response to cilla4progress (Original post)

Sat Nov 7, 2020, 11:36 AM

3. The biggest and most powerful by far is the liberal-dominated Democratic Party.

We lack the power, never the will. We're the main engine behind every good advance, and backslides such as in this era of enormous change and problems happen in spite of our efforts.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #3)

Sat Nov 7, 2020, 11:55 AM

8. I don't think you can join the Democratic Party

 

AFAIK there is no such organization where you can sign up, pay your dues, and get a membership card.

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Response to Klaralven (Reply #8)

Sat Nov 7, 2020, 12:18 PM

12. I did. Cilla wants to become involved, and she may find

a group preferable whose focus suits her better, but she won't find one capable of making a fraction of the difference the Democratic Party does. And the ability of all the others to effect good change depends on the success of the Democratic Party.

My contributions of volunteer hours have varied widely over the years, never outstanding, but I've always known if I made myself valuable to my local organization doors would open to more and more valuable, and exciting, ways of contributing. We're needed.

Many come initially with mostly just time and a desire to make a difference, some can offer or develop organizational ability, some office or computer systems skills, some strong backs, and many professionals with valuable expertise in their fields.

For instance, people in fields related to global warming, sustainable energy, disappearing fresh water, food production, etc., donate their expertise to the party. Some of them eventually decide to run for office themselves -- and win -- and are now continuing their efforts from within the halls of power.

Of course we have gosh only knows how many lawyers right now -- thousands -- working on the election in every state and territory.

Most of the millions working for the Democratic Party are volunteers at the local level. Every office I've ever been in had great people it was a pleasure and honor to work with. And it's not just very fulfilling to fight in a real way to turn our ideals into progress but also fun to be "inside" and know a lot more about how it works and what's going on.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #12)

Sat Nov 7, 2020, 12:41 PM

14. I've been registered as a Democrat since '68

 

I've worked for and contributed to local and national candidates, participated in Democratic events and local organizations, been a Democratic committee person for my District, worked as a challenger on election day, and participated in county Democratic committee organizational meetings.

But as far as I know, I've never been a member of any such organization as the Democratic Party.

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Response to Klaralven (Reply #14)

Sat Nov 7, 2020, 01:00 PM

15. Lol, I take that to mean no one ever gave you a card.

How on earth did you get appointed to those committees and work those events without a card, or a membership number? Just wow! No wonder we're described as "an insane asylum run by inmates!"

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #15)

Sat Nov 7, 2020, 01:18 PM

17. No, I mean that there is literally no Democratic Party that the average citizen can join

 

You can join the NRA, but you can't join the Democratic Party.

I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Democrat.

Will Rogers

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Response to Klaralven (Reply #17)

Sat Nov 7, 2020, 01:49 PM

19. Okay. But whisper it in case the GOP hears and tells the FEC and IRS.

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Response to cilla4progress (Original post)

Sat Nov 7, 2020, 11:38 AM

4. Dismantling white supremacy is a good place to start. Look for a SURJ group in your area.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #4)

Sat Nov 7, 2020, 11:42 AM

5. It's definitely about core fears

and values.

SURJ?

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Response to cilla4progress (Reply #5)

Sat Nov 7, 2020, 11:54 AM

7. Showing Up for Racial Justice.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #7)

Sat Nov 7, 2020, 02:32 PM

21. Thanks much

for the info!

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Response to cilla4progress (Original post)

Sat Nov 7, 2020, 11:51 AM

6. I'm grappling with these issues too as well as reading books.

I'm torn about what to focus on. Prior to this year I've focused on climate and environment (and animals), but recently I've taken an interest in Christian Nationalism, but I also want to support groups like the ACLU that focus on civil rights. Before that I was obsessed about the White Nationalist groups, but I'm seeing there are tons of individuals, reporters and organizations focused single-mindedly on that.

It's a bit overwhelming. I like to go deep on one or two causes, rather than superficially on many issues, but I'm really seeing so many that need attention.

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Response to Mike 03 (Reply #6)

Sat Nov 7, 2020, 01:13 PM

16. To me, these problems are all overlapping. Working to solve one

is, in a very real, practical sense, working to solve all.

How about finding who needs what you have to offer most, or a notably dynamic and productive group, to maximize your contribution? Or one that's close so you'll be able to donate more hours and pop over when special need arises?

A friend of ours volunteered at a nearby park until ICE opened an immigrant detention facility 15 minutes away from her, effectively making a choice for her that refocused her life. She's in deeper than she ever imagined.

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Response to cilla4progress (Original post)

Sat Nov 7, 2020, 11:57 AM

9. If people can't or don't realize the impact of environmental changes on the economic conditions,

 

diasporas, migration and immigration as well as resource availability it will be a waste of time.

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Response to cilla4progress (Original post)

Sat Nov 7, 2020, 12:10 PM

11. Our current system of democracy & free markets evolved in a high resource low population environment

 

It's unlikely to survive a transition to low resources and high population.

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Response to cilla4progress (Original post)

Sat Nov 7, 2020, 02:33 PM

22. Bookmarking.

Thanks.

And I agree that truth and reconciliation is needed around the environment, first and most of all. Our mother. Our home.

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Response to cilla4progress (Original post)

Sat Nov 7, 2020, 05:12 PM

23. I found a good one!!

Rev. William Barber's #moralmovement!


?s=19

Also called Repairers of the Breach

@BRepairers

😀

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Response to cilla4progress (Original post)

Sat Nov 7, 2020, 05:25 PM

24. A Truth and Reconciliation commission

 

would perhaps be the easiest way to screw up this victory and Biden's presidency.

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