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My guess is that on Jan. 18 Trump resigns. The next day President Pence gives Trump a pardon. What says you?
bullimiami
(13,110 posts)zaj
(3,433 posts)... evidence in state criminal investigations.
Nixon never admitted to anything.
zaj
(3,433 posts)The Supreme Court, in Burdick v. United States (1915), ruled that accepting a pardon "requir(es) him to confess his guilt in order to avoid a conviction of it". And that a pardon was an "imputation of guilt; acceptance a confession of it".
https://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=3928528117882105076
"This brings us to the differences between legislative immunity and a pardon. They are substantial. The latter carries an imputation of guilt; acceptance a confession of it. The former has no such imputation or confession. It is tantamount to the silence of the witness. It is non-committal. It is the unobtrusive act of the law giving protection against a sinister use of his testimony, not like a pardon requiring him to confess his guilt in order to avoid a conviction of it."
madaboutharry
(40,238 posts)zaj
(3,433 posts)soothsayer
(38,601 posts)And cant be charged (he sez) cuz president?
yellowcanine
(35,703 posts)If Ford had not pardoned Nixon he might have beaten Carter imo.
Zambero
(8,978 posts)MLAA
(17,348 posts)didnt pardon impotus and his spawn?
Totally Tunsie
(10,885 posts)If Chump were to resign, there'd be no reason to *fear* him and what he could or couldn't do at that point. Pencie could just adopt "If he's gone, he's gone" and just leave it at that. There would be a parade of people getting a good laugh from it!
MLAA
(17,348 posts)Totally Tunsie
(10,885 posts)SomedayKindaLove
(532 posts)Trump pardons himself and then steps down an hour before before inauguration and Pence pardons him as well. The double pardon!
Gotta cover your bases.
Laelth
(32,017 posts)I cant see him resigning.
-Laelth
IllinoisBirdWatcher
(2,315 posts)A self-pardon has never been done and there is some question of its constitutionality. I don't think he would want to take the chance of a SCOTUS rejection.
The pardon of Nixon worked and is a precedent.
Laelth
(32,017 posts)Besides, the case would have to go through multiple levels of lower Courts before the SCOTUS could rule on the Constitutionality of Trumps self-pardon. If it did get that far, I can easily see the SCOTUS ruling for Trump in the interest of national healing and peace. They dont want to see Trumpers marching in the streets to vindicate their poor, mistreated, orange martyr.
-Laelth
yellowcanine
(35,703 posts)And I do not believe he would. He is way too cautious. Notice that he is saying nada about Trump's wild rants.
walkingman
(7,683 posts)litigated? Once we have access to his tax returns I feel confident there will be prosecutable crime. The real question is does the political elite pursue them. I say send him to jail or we will never be rid of his sorry ass. He will just become another Rush Limpbaugh or Alex Jones.
sarge43
(28,946 posts)That won't stop the NY AG nor will it stop all that personal debt from coming due. Over the years Trump has tap danced into a mine field of his own making; don't think he'll be able to tap dance out.
As been noted before, 3 Nov 2020 probably was the last good day of the rest of his life.
Buckeyeblue
(5,504 posts)He won't have any interest in sticking around as a lame duck for 2+ months.
PuppyBismark
(595 posts)Silent3
(15,422 posts)...in exchange for sticking around and fucking over the US even more, I can easily see Trump bailing out much sooner. Whether Pence would give Trump a pardon on the way out the door, I don't have enough sense of Pence's levels of sycophancy vs. shear opportunism to guess how willing he'd be.