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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhen either Georgia or Arizona is called, Biden wins even without Pennsylvania. Which will be first?
relayerbob
(6,544 posts)No one will call GA until the rocount is complete. There is basically 0 chance of Dump pulling it out here, though
LisaL
(44,973 posts)NT
relayerbob
(6,544 posts)Everyone here assumes it will happen
You don't wait until after the recount to call the state. Using your logic, Wisconsin shouldn't be called either, since Trump wants a recount there.
relayerbob
(6,544 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Respect for the will of the people requires the possibility of automatic recounts when totals are so close that they may just be wrong, through human error and/or chicanery. GA law allows both automatic and requested recounts. Requested recounts are allowed if the margin falls below 0.5%. Automatic I don't know.
LisaL
(44,973 posts)Are you seriously suggesting that GA shouldn't be called even after its results are certified?
"Under Georgia law, a candidate can request a recount if the margin is less than 0.5 percent of votes cast. That request must be made within two days of results being certified."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2020/11/05/wisconsin-georgia-election-recount-rules/
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Silver Gaia
(4,544 posts)Officials in Georgia have already stated that a recount will happen. However, experts say there is very little chance that a recount will change the winner.
LisaL
(44,973 posts)NT
Silver Gaia
(4,544 posts)LisaL
(44,973 posts)Where is your link does it say GA requires automatic recount? In fact GA does not require an automatic recount. Trump has to ask for one.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2020/11/05/wisconsin-georgia-election-recount-rules/
relayerbob
(6,544 posts)The superintendent, on his or her own motion or upon petition of any candidate or political party, may order the recount of ballots for a particular precinct or precincts, for one or more offices in which it shall appear that a discrepancy or error, although not apparent on the face of the returns, has been made. The recount shall be held at any time prior to the certification of the consolidated returns by the superintendent. Before the recount is held, the superintendent must give notice in writing to each candidate and the county chairman of each party or body affected by the recount. Each candidate may be present in person at the recount, or be represented by one person. Each political party or body may send two representatives to be present at the recount. If the recount shows the original count was in error, the returns and all papers being prepared by the superintendent shall be corrected accordingly.
Candidates for a federal or state office (including candidates for a state house or state senate office) may petition the Secretary of State for a recount when it appears there is an error or discrepancy in the election results. At his or her discretion, the Secretary of State may order a recount in the county, or counties, encompassing the district.
https://georgia.gov/recounts-ocga-ss-21-2-495
Silver Gaia
(4,544 posts)You should have supported your claim to begin with. The burden of proof lies with you. Regardless, do you think there WON'T be a recount? The Georgia officials I heard spoke with conviction that there WILL be a recount. Thats all that really matters. Biden's lead is large enough that it is unlikely to change anything anyway, and that is the most important part. PEACE.
relayerbob
(6,544 posts)They can't do anything until the count is completed. In any case, I agree, let's celebrate today's victory
Silver Gaia
(4,544 posts)Shermann
(7,413 posts)The order doesn't matter.
FloridaBlues
(4,008 posts)Will love when both called for Biden
LisaL
(44,973 posts)The lead there is going down.
As for recount, why should anybody wait for a recount to call a state? Trump will want all of the states he lost recounted.
DFW
(54,378 posts)A certain friend of mine now living in Tucson will be heading to DC to scout out some affordable housing near Capitol Hill tomorrow, and he is not one known for reckless gestures.........
triron
(22,003 posts)DFW
(54,378 posts)Job switch: about to be a Senator.
MustLoveBeagles
(11,609 posts)DFW
(54,378 posts)The short version is that I have known them since before Gabby was shot. If that hadn't happened, I'd bet even money that she would have been on the ticket this year.
FloridaBlues
(4,008 posts)Think Arizona will hold for Biden.
Can't hurt to get more electoral votes!!
Silver Gaia
(4,544 posts)I think we will win both states.
Towlie
(5,324 posts)Biden is currently ahead by 7547 votes with 4,916,651 votes counted, but the number of remaining votes is unknown to us.
LisaL
(44,973 posts)Trump has to ask for it.
maui902
(108 posts)It appears that Biden/Harris will win Pennsylvania, Arizona, Georgia, and Nevada. Not sure if Nevada fits in this group, but how cool is it that Pennsylvania, where Biden is from originally and the state he campaigned so hard to win as well as the home of the City of Brotherly Love, Georgia, home to John Lewis and Stacey Abrams, who channeled her disappointment in losing that state's governor's race two years ago into creating a registration and turnout machine, and Arizona, home of John McCain, were three key battleground states that Biden/Harris turned to win the election?
StevieM
(10,500 posts)Right now Biden is up by 2 points. That margin could widen further, if only by a little.
The states that appear to be within 1 point are Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Georgia, and Arizona. I expect Biden to win all of them.
Silver Gaia
(4,544 posts)Not sure who else might have called it...
relayerbob
(6,544 posts)Forget what this or that paper says.
The Superintendent said he intends to do a recount (I watched him say so live), but has not yet done so. He can do so on his own. But he can't / won't do it until the vote count is done. The odds of it changing the result is slim.
Who cares what news organizations say, anyway? This is the normal process, it is NOT a reality show. None of it is final until results are certified and the EV college meets and those results are certified by Congress in January. Meantime enjoy the apparent victory, and if you have spare energy, help us in Georgia get Warnock and Ossoff elected!! Thank you!!
"The superintendent, on his or her own motion or upon petition of any candidate or political party, may order the recount of ballots for a particular precinct or precincts, for one or more offices in which it shall appear that a discrepancy or error, although not apparent on the face of the returns, has been made. The recount shall be held at any time prior to the certification of the consolidated returns by the superintendent. Before the recount is held, the superintendent must give notice in writing to each candidate and the county chairman of each party or body affected by the recount. Each candidate may be present in person at the recount, or be represented by one person. Each political party or body may send two representatives to be present at the recount. If the recount shows the original count was in error, the returns and all papers being prepared by the superintendent shall be corrected accordingly.
Candidates for a federal or state office (including candidates for a state house or state senate office) may petition the Secretary of State for a recount when it appears there is an error or discrepancy in the election results. At his or her discretion, the Secretary of State may order a recount in the county, or counties, encompassing the district. "
https://georgia.gov/recounts-ocga-ss-21-2-495
Roland99
(53,342 posts)Roland99
(53,342 posts)I can't explain it like Steve Kornacki, but even though Trump is eroding Biden's lead bit by bit, he should not have the votes overall to overcome Biden's lead.
Roland99
(53,342 posts)triron
(22,003 posts)Roland99
(53,342 posts)trump is averaging 56.6% trump needs 57.3%