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When either Georgia or Arizona is called, Biden wins even without Pennsylvania. Which will be first? (Original Post) Towlie Nov 2020 OP
Probably Arizona relayerbob Nov 2020 #1
Recount in GA shouldn't be automatic, Trump has to ask for it. LisaL Nov 2020 #2
He likely will relayerbob Nov 2020 #4
And? LisaL Nov 2020 #5
Yuo worry about your state, I'll follow the rules here, thanks relayerbob Nov 2020 #20
Well, it can be and imo rightly so. This isn't about Trump. Hortensis Nov 2020 #8
GA results will be certified and then Trump can ask for a recount. LisaL Nov 2020 #12
I'm suggesting the people's will rules. We're not damned Pubs. nt Hortensis Nov 2020 #33
Recount is automatic if the margin is 0.5% or less. Silver Gaia Nov 2020 #11
Please provide a link for that. LisaL Nov 2020 #13
I saw the whole thing live. You should have supported your initial claim if that is important to you Silver Gaia Nov 2020 #15
Trump has to ask for a recount. LisaL Nov 2020 #17
Actual rules relayerbob Nov 2020 #22
I really don't care to argue. NOT TODAY. Silver Gaia Nov 2020 #23
Yes, The Superintendent of Elections said they are going to do one relayerbob Nov 2020 #28
Thank you! I just wanna celebrate and be happy! Silver Gaia Nov 2020 #29
Gravy States just sort of get poured on together Shermann Nov 2020 #3
Arizona will call it first probably,Ga recount takes longer FloridaBlues Nov 2020 #6
It's not even clear right now who is going to win Arizona. LisaL Nov 2020 #7
Maybe not COMPLETELY clear, however DFW Nov 2020 #9
So what is the significance of that? Which friend? triron Nov 2020 #34
Former astronaut DFW Nov 2020 #39
That's a good friend to have MustLoveBeagles Nov 2020 #41
Long story DFW Nov 2020 #42
I think Ga law for recount less than a certain percentage FloridaBlues Nov 2020 #10
Yes, it's 0.5% or less. Silver Gaia Nov 2020 #14
Biden's Georgia win is at 0.1535% at the moment, but it's increasing. Towlie Nov 2020 #18
GA does not require an automatic recount. LisaL Nov 2020 #19
When the smoke clears maui902 Nov 2020 #16
Nevada should be a much wider victory than the other states. StevieM Nov 2020 #21
MSNBC and AP have already called NV for Biden. Silver Gaia Nov 2020 #24
The actual Georgia law relayerbob Nov 2020 #25
GA should go ahead and be called. Recount isn't going to change much w/over 7,500 vote lead Roland99 Nov 2020 #26
AZ could still go to trump Roland99 Nov 2020 #27
Yup. Silver Gaia Nov 2020 #30
Much depends upon how many of the provisional ballots are valid Roland99 Nov 2020 #31
What about outstandin Pima votes which lean heavily democratic? triron Nov 2020 #35
everything I've read/heard is that these are late ballots which have tended more R Roland99 Nov 2020 #36
I thought those were just in Maricopa cty, not Pima. triron Nov 2020 #37
I just heard in general Roland99 Nov 2020 #38
Georgia Tribetime Nov 2020 #32
Arizona will be first unless they also have to do a recount krawhitham Nov 2020 #40

relayerbob

(6,544 posts)
1. Probably Arizona
Sat Nov 7, 2020, 04:27 PM
Nov 2020

No one will call GA until the rocount is complete. There is basically 0 chance of Dump pulling it out here, though

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
5. And?
Sat Nov 7, 2020, 04:34 PM
Nov 2020

You don't wait until after the recount to call the state. Using your logic, Wisconsin shouldn't be called either, since Trump wants a recount there.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
8. Well, it can be and imo rightly so. This isn't about Trump.
Sat Nov 7, 2020, 04:38 PM
Nov 2020

Respect for the will of the people requires the possibility of automatic recounts when totals are so close that they may just be wrong, through human error and/or chicanery. GA law allows both automatic and requested recounts. Requested recounts are allowed if the margin falls below 0.5%. Automatic I don't know.

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
12. GA results will be certified and then Trump can ask for a recount.
Sat Nov 7, 2020, 04:41 PM
Nov 2020

Are you seriously suggesting that GA shouldn't be called even after its results are certified?

"Under Georgia law, a candidate can request a recount if the margin is less than 0.5 percent of votes cast. That request must be made within two days of results being certified."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2020/11/05/wisconsin-georgia-election-recount-rules/

Silver Gaia

(4,544 posts)
11. Recount is automatic if the margin is 0.5% or less.
Sat Nov 7, 2020, 04:40 PM
Nov 2020

Officials in Georgia have already stated that a recount will happen. However, experts say there is very little chance that a recount will change the winner.

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
17. Trump has to ask for a recount.
Sat Nov 7, 2020, 04:51 PM
Nov 2020

Where is your link does it say GA requires automatic recount? In fact GA does not require an automatic recount. Trump has to ask for one.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2020/11/05/wisconsin-georgia-election-recount-rules/

relayerbob

(6,544 posts)
22. Actual rules
Sat Nov 7, 2020, 04:59 PM
Nov 2020

The superintendent, on his or her own motion or upon petition of any candidate or political party, may order the recount of ballots for a particular precinct or precincts, for one or more offices in which it shall appear that a discrepancy or error, although not apparent on the face of the returns, has been made. The recount shall be held at any time prior to the certification of the consolidated returns by the superintendent. Before the recount is held, the superintendent must give notice in writing to each candidate and the county chairman of each party or body affected by the recount. Each candidate may be present in person at the recount, or be represented by one person. Each political party or body may send two representatives to be present at the recount. If the recount shows the original count was in error, the returns and all papers being prepared by the superintendent shall be corrected accordingly.

Candidates for a federal or state office (including candidates for a state house or state senate office) may petition the Secretary of State for a recount when it appears there is an error or discrepancy in the election results. At his or her discretion, the Secretary of State may order a recount in the county, or counties, encompassing the district.

https://georgia.gov/recounts-ocga-ss-21-2-495

Silver Gaia

(4,544 posts)
23. I really don't care to argue. NOT TODAY.
Sat Nov 7, 2020, 05:02 PM
Nov 2020

You should have supported your claim to begin with. The burden of proof lies with you. Regardless, do you think there WON'T be a recount? The Georgia officials I heard spoke with conviction that there WILL be a recount. Thats all that really matters. Biden's lead is large enough that it is unlikely to change anything anyway, and that is the most important part. PEACE.

relayerbob

(6,544 posts)
28. Yes, The Superintendent of Elections said they are going to do one
Sat Nov 7, 2020, 05:10 PM
Nov 2020

They can't do anything until the count is completed. In any case, I agree, let's celebrate today's victory

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
7. It's not even clear right now who is going to win Arizona.
Sat Nov 7, 2020, 04:36 PM
Nov 2020

The lead there is going down.
As for recount, why should anybody wait for a recount to call a state? Trump will want all of the states he lost recounted.

DFW

(54,378 posts)
9. Maybe not COMPLETELY clear, however
Sat Nov 7, 2020, 04:39 PM
Nov 2020

A certain friend of mine now living in Tucson will be heading to DC to scout out some affordable housing near Capitol Hill tomorrow, and he is not one known for reckless gestures.........

DFW

(54,378 posts)
42. Long story
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 01:31 PM
Nov 2020

The short version is that I have known them since before Gabby was shot. If that hadn't happened, I'd bet even money that she would have been on the ticket this year.

FloridaBlues

(4,008 posts)
10. I think Ga law for recount less than a certain percentage
Sat Nov 7, 2020, 04:39 PM
Nov 2020

Think Arizona will hold for Biden.
Can't hurt to get more electoral votes!!

Towlie

(5,324 posts)
18. Biden's Georgia win is at 0.1535% at the moment, but it's increasing.
Sat Nov 7, 2020, 04:52 PM
Nov 2020

Biden is currently ahead by 7547 votes with 4,916,651 votes counted, but the number of remaining votes is unknown to us.

maui902

(108 posts)
16. When the smoke clears
Sat Nov 7, 2020, 04:51 PM
Nov 2020

It appears that Biden/Harris will win Pennsylvania, Arizona, Georgia, and Nevada. Not sure if Nevada fits in this group, but how cool is it that Pennsylvania, where Biden is from originally and the state he campaigned so hard to win as well as the home of the City of Brotherly Love, Georgia, home to John Lewis and Stacey Abrams, who channeled her disappointment in losing that state's governor's race two years ago into creating a registration and turnout machine, and Arizona, home of John McCain, were three key battleground states that Biden/Harris turned to win the election?

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
21. Nevada should be a much wider victory than the other states.
Sat Nov 7, 2020, 04:57 PM
Nov 2020

Right now Biden is up by 2 points. That margin could widen further, if only by a little.

The states that appear to be within 1 point are Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Georgia, and Arizona. I expect Biden to win all of them.

relayerbob

(6,544 posts)
25. The actual Georgia law
Sat Nov 7, 2020, 05:08 PM
Nov 2020

Forget what this or that paper says.

The Superintendent said he intends to do a recount (I watched him say so live), but has not yet done so. He can do so on his own. But he can't / won't do it until the vote count is done. The odds of it changing the result is slim.

Who cares what news organizations say, anyway? This is the normal process, it is NOT a reality show. None of it is final until results are certified and the EV college meets and those results are certified by Congress in January. Meantime enjoy the apparent victory, and if you have spare energy, help us in Georgia get Warnock and Ossoff elected!! Thank you!!

"The superintendent, on his or her own motion or upon petition of any candidate or political party, may order the recount of ballots for a particular precinct or precincts, for one or more offices in which it shall appear that a discrepancy or error, although not apparent on the face of the returns, has been made. The recount shall be held at any time prior to the certification of the consolidated returns by the superintendent. Before the recount is held, the superintendent must give notice in writing to each candidate and the county chairman of each party or body affected by the recount. Each candidate may be present in person at the recount, or be represented by one person. Each political party or body may send two representatives to be present at the recount. If the recount shows the original count was in error, the returns and all papers being prepared by the superintendent shall be corrected accordingly.

Candidates for a federal or state office (including candidates for a state house or state senate office) may petition the Secretary of State for a recount when it appears there is an error or discrepancy in the election results. At his or her discretion, the Secretary of State may order a recount in the county, or counties, encompassing the district. "

https://georgia.gov/recounts-ocga-ss-21-2-495


Silver Gaia

(4,544 posts)
30. Yup.
Sat Nov 7, 2020, 05:24 PM
Nov 2020

I can't explain it like Steve Kornacki, but even though Trump is eroding Biden's lead bit by bit, he should not have the votes overall to overcome Biden's lead.

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