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Mr. Sparkle

(3,720 posts)
Sat Nov 7, 2020, 07:36 PM Nov 2020

'Every. Single. One.': Ocasio-Cortez Notes Every Democrat Who Backed Medicare for All Won Reelection



Highlighting an interesting—and to many, instructive—electoral trend that others have spotted in the days since 2020 voting ended earlier this week, Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Saturday—just as jubilation spread nationwide among Democrats and progressives upon news that Joe Biden will be the next U.S. President—pointed out that every single congressional member this year who ran for reelection while supporting Medicare for All won (or was on their way to winning) their respective race.




The tweet emerged as many across the corporate media landscape, including pundits and former high-level Democratic officials like Rahm Emanuel, unabashedly pushed a narrative that progressives calling for policies like a single-payer universal healthcare system or the Green New Deal are somehow a hindrance to electoral success. Ocasio-Cortez was not standing for it:

As Common Dreams reported Friday, while corporate-friendly Democrats have continued to go to bat for the for-profit healthcare system that lavishes billions of dollars each year on insurance companies, for-profit hospitals, and pharmaceutical giants, a new poll this week—put out by Fox News no less—shows that 72% of all U.S. voters would prefer a "government-run healthcare plan." And the poll is far from an outlier, with numerous surveys in recent years showing this trend.

"Polls consistently show a majority of the U.S. electorate [is] considerably to the left of both party leaderships... on issue after issue—the environment, electoral reform, [and] Medicare for All," said Jacobin's Luke Savage in response that poll.

Despite what "corporate front groups and lazy pundits always say," tweeted journalist Andrew Perez, "people absolutely do not like their private health insurance."

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/11/07/every-single-one-ocasio-cortez-notes-every-democrat-who-backed-medicare-all-won
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'Every. Single. One.': Ocasio-Cortez Notes Every Democrat Who Backed Medicare for All Won Reelection (Original Post) Mr. Sparkle Nov 2020 OP
Meaningless given those who said no mzmolly Nov 2020 #1
I wouldn't say meaningless. It does show a certain trend. Glamrock Nov 2020 #4
We do know what districts they are JI7 Nov 2020 #6
Well shit good on you! Glamrock Nov 2020 #8
well AOC does which makes her tweet dishonest to the core. dsc Nov 2020 #12
Exactly. mzmolly Nov 2020 #37
That can't be right gratuitous Nov 2020 #2
Don't say that too loud around here Bettie Nov 2020 #22
+1000 Celerity Nov 2020 #51
+1 aidbo Nov 2020 #34
Biden ran on "Building on Obamacare" & he got 75 Million Cha Nov 2020 #56
Never trust any Republican. Roisin Ni Fiachra Nov 2020 #61
They won in deep blue districts . The others were running in purple or even JI7 Nov 2020 #3
Bingo. nt Blue_true Nov 2020 #7
Right! In It to Win It Nov 2020 #24
They also ousted powerful establishment incumbents in DeminPennswoods Nov 2020 #35
Details.... Happy Hoosier Nov 2020 #40
joe biden said no. how did that turnout? nt msongs Nov 2020 #5
What do you mean? W_HAMILTON Nov 2020 #9
Amen! We could flip my district with a moderate popular democrat. GulfCoast66 Nov 2020 #30
Just look at who won the presidential primary JI7 Nov 2020 #39
Point well made. GulfCoast66 Nov 2020 #43
The same people Sgent Nov 2020 #50
Why is one particular health care policy supposedly the only good one? betsuni Nov 2020 #10
+1 Gidney N Cloyd Nov 2020 #13
Especially when the person most pushing for it couldn't answer JI7 Nov 2020 #16
It's a slogan. betsuni Nov 2020 #25
Ahh you don't like AOC ChubbyStar Nov 2020 #32
I'll have a mimosa! aidbo Nov 2020 #36
That wasn't about AOC JI7 Nov 2020 #38
Damn Straight it wasn't Cha Nov 2020 #53
As we see around the world, no one system is best mvd Nov 2020 #17
The point is why one particular politician's policy is the purity test. betsuni Nov 2020 #23
Well IMO an old but good one mvd Nov 2020 #26
In my opinion, people shouldn't take credit for policies and pretend betsuni Nov 2020 #45
Bernie doesn't even say that. He's just one of the main advocates mvd Nov 2020 #47
He always says it, in interview after interview for years. betsuni Nov 2020 #48
It hasn't been much discussed in the past mvd Nov 2020 #49
But it's been discussed in the past. The Clinton administration tried for universal health care, betsuni Nov 2020 #52
Well, I disagree mvd Nov 2020 #58
The ACA passed in the House with a public option, didn't pass in the senate. betsuni Nov 2020 #59
That's the one thing I don't dispute mvd Nov 2020 #64
We agree way more than disagree! Even though I don't support MFA. GulfCoast66 Nov 2020 #44
Joe and Kamala did not run on that. sheshe2 Nov 2020 #11
Excellent point! Biden/Kamala ran on "Building on Obamacare".. Cha Nov 2020 #55
Thank you, Cha. sheshe2 Nov 2020 #62
Post removed Post removed Nov 2020 #14
Now When THey Advocate For MFA Me. Nov 2020 #15
No, they never discuss the truth about how to pay for things JI7 Nov 2020 #21
THe Problem Is Me. Nov 2020 #28
their version of MFA is not like the current Medicare programme. There would be no, or if any, then Celerity Nov 2020 #46
Single-payer "Medicare for All" has strong National support pfitz59 Nov 2020 #18
And right now, health insurance is a racket Bettie Nov 2020 #19
Cheers! mvd Nov 2020 #20
Yes, in deep blue districts. And Justice D haven't won one single race in a red or purple district. octoberlib Nov 2020 #27
Cherry-picked list AmericanCanuck Nov 2020 #29
With trump gone, AOC is the villain du jour around here. egduj Nov 2020 #31
I like her but she has a habit... Happy Hoosier Nov 2020 #42
Over the past few years when DeminPennswoods Nov 2020 #33
I like AOC, but can she pause for a moment so we can win 2 GA senate seats? ecstatic Nov 2020 #41
Especially when Biden ran on Building on Obamacare Cha Nov 2020 #57
Why would she speak the quiet part out loud right now when we have two Senate seats to try Boogiemack Nov 2020 #54
I think AOC is important for motivating the young to vote Hav Nov 2020 #60
Medicare kind of sucks. The path we're on now is much, much better. gulliver Nov 2020 #63
Some facts. scipan Nov 2020 #65

Glamrock

(12,003 posts)
4. I wouldn't say meaningless. It does show a certain trend.
Sat Nov 7, 2020, 07:39 PM
Nov 2020

But without knowing what districts these are, it’s definately hard to tell.

dsc

(53,413 posts)
12. well AOC does which makes her tweet dishonest to the core.
Sat Nov 7, 2020, 07:52 PM
Nov 2020

I don't know them all but Peterson is from the most Republican district represented by a Democrat. It is R + 12. I would bet my next 1000 paychecks that no one on that list could win his district.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
2. That can't be right
Sat Nov 7, 2020, 07:39 PM
Nov 2020

On CNN this morning John Kasich said that it was the left wingers who almost cost Biden the election. Would a Republican lie to us?

Bettie

(19,778 posts)
22. Don't say that too loud around here
Sat Nov 7, 2020, 08:03 PM
Nov 2020

there are a set of people who really love Kasich and hate left wingers.

Cha

(319,494 posts)
56. Biden ran on "Building on Obamacare" & he got 75 Million
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 05:08 AM
Nov 2020

Votes Across the Country.

We're not talking about just Blue Districts here.

https://joebiden.com/healthcare/

Roisin Ni Fiachra

(2,574 posts)
61. Never trust any Republican.
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 09:40 AM
Nov 2020

The Republican party is the party of neo-nazi white supremacist domestic terrorists. They elected Trump, and they fought tooth and nail to re-elect him. It is Republicans who gave us this nasty SCOTUS. They fight everywhere to keep people from voting. They are currently planning to go to court in a desperate attempt to overturn the election. It's not the kleft that is doing this, it is fascist Republicans.

Kasich was a fill in host for Bill O'Reilly on Fox News, and had his own Fox News show, Heartland With John Kasich, for six years.

While Governor of Ohio he successfully fought to suppress the vote in Ohio:

Feb 21, 2014

Kasich signs voting bills that end Golden Week and limit distribution of absentee ballots

COLUMBUS, Ohio -- Gov. John Kasich signed into law Friday changes to Ohio’s election rules on early voting and handling of absentee ballot applications.
SNIP---
The bills, hotly contested by Democrats, cleared the General Assembly Wednesday after heated debate. Democrats said the changes will make it harder for people to vote and lead to more absentee ballots being discarded due technical errors. They warned that the people most affected by the changes are those in urban populations, populations that tend to vote Democratic.

Rep. Chris Redfern of Catawba Island, who also is chairman of the Ohio Democratic Party, promised his party would sue to stop the bills from taking effect.
SNIP---
The Ohio Association of Election Officials recommended the five-day period be scrapped to create a clean break between when voters can register and when they can cast ballots. Democrats and voter rights advocates said reducing early voting days would disenfranchise voters and lead to longer lines at the polls. They also questioned the urgency and motive behind passing the bills.

https://www.cleveland.com/open/2014/02/kasich_signs_voting_bills_that.html


Isn't that just special?


Any Democrats who are Republican sympathizers haven't cleared all the brainwash, and desperately need therapy to get the Fox News and Limbaugh completely out of their heads.

Yes, there may be a handful of Republicans who sort of don't like Trump, but most of them probably voted for him in 2016 and 2020 anyway. Democrats must unite the entire left, or Trump, or another Hitler wannabe just like him, or far worse, will unite the the Republican Cult of Trump Worshipers, and Trump Republican fascism will be back, with a vengeance.

JI7

(93,726 posts)
3. They won in deep blue districts . The others were running in purple or even
Sat Nov 7, 2020, 07:39 PM
Nov 2020

light red districts.

DeminPennswoods

(17,542 posts)
35. They also ousted powerful establishment incumbents in
Sat Nov 7, 2020, 08:30 PM
Nov 2020

their primaries to get the chance to run in those "deep blue" districts.

W_HAMILTON

(10,372 posts)
9. What do you mean?
Sat Nov 7, 2020, 07:47 PM
Nov 2020

They didn't support Medicare for All? Or the Green New Deal? Or defunding the police? Or abolishing ICE? Or socialism?

Because if those so-called Democrats running in their safe ass super blue districts actually came to the areas where those good Democrats lost, they would think otherwise, because THAT WAS EVERY AD THE REPUBLICANS RUNNING AGAINST THEM WERE CLAIMING.

So goddamn sick of their purity tests from the bluest of blue enclaves. Come to the rural areas of the south and hold a rally and let's really see how many of these secret socialists you think are out there.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
30. Amen! We could flip my district with a moderate popular democrat.
Sat Nov 7, 2020, 08:22 PM
Nov 2020

But all these attention grabbing democrats from super blue districts poison the well for democrats in more moderate areas. And besides, I’m not convinced the majority of democrats even support Medicare for all. I don’t. And I’m very liberal.

Sgent

(5,858 posts)
50. The same people
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 03:53 AM
Nov 2020

saying this were so happy when Mary Landrieu lost, giving way to David Vitter.

betsuni

(29,136 posts)
10. Why is one particular health care policy supposedly the only good one?
Sat Nov 7, 2020, 07:48 PM
Nov 2020

The only progressive one? The only path to universal health care? Why the purity test? I don't get it.

Gidney N Cloyd

(19,847 posts)
13. +1
Sat Nov 7, 2020, 07:55 PM
Nov 2020

Let's just make sure everyone's covered thoroughly and affordably. No purity tests on precisely how we get there.

JI7

(93,726 posts)
16. Especially when the person most pushing for it couldn't answer
Sat Nov 7, 2020, 07:57 PM
Nov 2020

basic questions about it. It's more a slogan than actual health plan.

mvd

(65,934 posts)
17. As we see around the world, no one system is best
Sat Nov 7, 2020, 08:00 PM
Nov 2020

But many are definitely better than ours. I do agree that we need to focus on saving the Affordable Care Act as long as the SC is considering it. But I 100% support MFA, a single payer system, or even just one that takes away the power of health insurance companies to make important decisions. The pandemic has made going beyond the Affordable Care Act even more important.

BTW many people have given answers about it.

betsuni

(29,136 posts)
23. The point is why one particular politician's policy is the purity test.
Sat Nov 7, 2020, 08:06 PM
Nov 2020

Who cares whose policy it is. And Medicare for All is an old idea.

mvd

(65,934 posts)
26. Well IMO an old but good one
Sat Nov 7, 2020, 08:10 PM
Nov 2020

Right now we should be happy about Biden’s win and then we can have the policy discussions.

betsuni

(29,136 posts)
45. In my opinion, people shouldn't take credit for policies and pretend
Sat Nov 7, 2020, 08:55 PM
Nov 2020

they're the first ones to promote them and that it's a unique idea. Bernie in a Rachel Maddow interview last year claiming Democrats think health care as a human right is a radical idea: "Health care as a human right. 'Oh, Bernie, that's not -- that's un-American. Nobody in America thinks that.'"

I live in a country with nationalized health care and it's not health insurance companies making important decisions, it's the government. It's more complicated than a slogan.

mvd

(65,934 posts)
47. Bernie doesn't even say that. He's just one of the main advocates
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 02:50 AM
Nov 2020

And again, I agree with him. I will continue to advocate for MFA though I realize it may take incremental progress to get there considering the political landscape.

betsuni

(29,136 posts)
48. He always says it, in interview after interview for years.
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 03:19 AM
Nov 2020

This year: "My opponents will tell you Medicare-for-all is a radical idea. It is not a radical idea."

Medicare-for-All has been around for many decades. Universal health care as a human right is a core Democratic idea. Why he thinks Democrats say it's a radical idea is a mystery.

mvd

(65,934 posts)
49. It hasn't been much discussed in the past
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 03:22 AM
Nov 2020

Bernie has helped get it into the mainstream of discussion. It’s gaining traction. That is without doubt. Why are we arguing over this? Let’s move on and enjoy the victory.

betsuni

(29,136 posts)
52. But it's been discussed in the past. The Clinton administration tried for universal health care,
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 04:35 AM
Nov 2020

Obama administration got ACA with a public option passed in the House but not in the senate. The popularity of the ACA made the idea of government health care more acceptable to Americans. The Fight for Fifteen started out as a fast food workers protest and became a national movement for a fifteen dollar minimum wage, leading to cities and states adopting it. Seattle was proof that a fifteen dollar minimum wage didn't bankrupt small businesses. The popularity of the higher minimum wage made it more acceptable to Americans. The legalization of marijuana in states: society didn't collapse and that made it more acceptable to Americans. So did same sex marriage. Like everything else.

Has nothing to do with Bernie except for people new to politics. He'd be terrific if he didn't say things like he did last week that "I think it is fair to say that in many ways the Democratic Party has become a party of coastal elites" and claims that things like universal health care and a higher minimum wage are radical ideas that only he supports. It's really a shame. I wish he could understand.

mvd

(65,934 posts)
58. Well, I disagree
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 05:46 AM
Nov 2020

Just about everything you said there about Bernie and the ACA I don’t think is right. Doesn’t make sense to me. Moving on.

betsuni

(29,136 posts)
59. The ACA passed in the House with a public option, didn't pass in the senate.
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 06:56 AM
Nov 2020

Look it up. Universal health care as a human right is a core Democratic policy. This is a fact.

mvd

(65,934 posts)
64. That's the one thing I don't dispute
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 01:48 PM
Nov 2020

I disagree on how you think the ACA has anything to do with attitudes on MFA. The ACA still relies on greedy private insurance and the public option has to be strong enough to resist the power of insurance companies. At best, it was a step to universal care, and better than what we had - but not the type of care needed IMO.

We can disagree on where to go in health care. I don’t feel like arguing this anymore when there is a lot of positive in Biden winning.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
44. We agree way more than disagree! Even though I don't support MFA.
Sat Nov 7, 2020, 08:49 PM
Nov 2020

In my opinion we should aim for something like the French system. It is mixed. More importantly we could get there from what the ACA started. Even if the SC strikes it. Especially if they do. Americans understand we need to do something with healthcare. Even my conservative friends agree.

The status quo is the worst system in the first world.

sheshe2

(97,842 posts)
11. Joe and Kamala did not run on that.
Sat Nov 7, 2020, 07:52 PM
Nov 2020

They did not just win a district they won the support of the US by 5 million popular votes.

Cha

(319,494 posts)
55. Excellent point! Biden/Kamala ran on "Building on Obamacare"..
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 05:05 AM
Nov 2020

he calls it that on his site talking about Health Care!

https://joebiden.com/healthcare/

He's not shy about calling it that, either!

Response to Mr. Sparkle (Original post)

Me.

(35,454 posts)
15. Now When THey Advocate For MFA
Sat Nov 7, 2020, 07:57 PM
Nov 2020

do they tell them Medicare is not free and you have to pay a premium every month plus need supplemental insurance for what Medicare doesn't cover?

JI7

(93,726 posts)
21. No, they never discuss the truth about how to pay for things
Sat Nov 7, 2020, 08:03 PM
Nov 2020

They will make comments about billionaires but the reality is the things they claim to want would require just about all Americans to pay more taxes.

Just as they do in Europe where they have those things.

I personally think it's worth it but also know hire resistant Americans including in blue California are to more taxes.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
28. THe Problem Is
Sat Nov 7, 2020, 08:17 PM
Nov 2020

If people expect it to be free and then get a bill the blow back could be fierce and detrimental.

Celerity

(54,620 posts)
46. their version of MFA is not like the current Medicare programme. There would be no, or if any, then
Sat Nov 7, 2020, 09:09 PM
Nov 2020

extremely low premiums and co-pays. They just borrowed the Medicare name as a marketing ploy.

In terms of cost, the current system (with the ACA) is estimated to have a total cost for all healthcare and pharma expenditure over the next 10 years of around 55-60 trillion, which is less than all studies so far of what MFA would cost. Now that the ACA is likely going to binned, that 55-60 trillion figure will more than likely increase.

Now, I am NOT saying that MFA will pass anytime in the next 15, 20 years, if ever. In fact I was one of the few who said that the Public Option would not pass, even if we had a 52-48, 53-47, or even a 54-46 Senate MAJORITY (which of course we will not, it will take the election of the century to just draw even in the two runoffs in GA). Too many forces aligned against it. Trillions upon trillion in profits at stake over the next 20 years.

pfitz59

(12,785 posts)
18. Single-payer "Medicare for All" has strong National support
Sat Nov 7, 2020, 08:00 PM
Nov 2020

The GOP (and Conservative Dems) won't even allow a discussion. Likely due to the $Millions spent by lobbyists and funneled to PACs.

Bettie

(19,778 posts)
19. And right now, health insurance is a racket
Sat Nov 7, 2020, 08:02 PM
Nov 2020

a conveyer to move enormous sums of money from people who don't have it to people who don't need it while covering as little actual care as possible.

octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
27. Yes, in deep blue districts. And Justice D haven't won one single race in a red or purple district.
Sat Nov 7, 2020, 08:11 PM
Nov 2020

NOT.A.SINGLE.ONE.

egduj

(881 posts)
31. With trump gone, AOC is the villain du jour around here.
Sat Nov 7, 2020, 08:22 PM
Nov 2020

As with trump, she has a way of pissing people off with everything she says (or tweets).

Happy Hoosier

(9,554 posts)
42. I like her but she has a habit...
Sat Nov 7, 2020, 08:44 PM
Nov 2020

Of Telling half the story. She’s smart. But makes the mistake of giving no one else credit for political savvy.

DeminPennswoods

(17,542 posts)
33. Over the past few years when
Sat Nov 7, 2020, 08:27 PM
Nov 2020

I was looking out for my parents, trips to the doctor, ER, hospital, rehabs and so on, I did not meet one person, doctor, nurse, PT, aide who thought the US healthcare system worked. I'm sure we didn't all agree politically, but to a person we agreed something has to change.

Personally, I think single-payer would be overwhelmingly popular.

ecstatic

(35,088 posts)
41. I like AOC, but can she pause for a moment so we can win 2 GA senate seats?
Sat Nov 7, 2020, 08:38 PM
Nov 2020

This isn't the time for grievances and gotchas. Focus!

 

Boogiemack

(1,406 posts)
54. Why would she speak the quiet part out loud right now when we have two Senate seats to try
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 05:05 AM
Nov 2020

to win in GA? I love her, but sometimes, like my own children i want to smack her butt.

Hav

(5,969 posts)
60. I think AOC is important for motivating the young to vote
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 07:53 AM
Nov 2020

but who is she talking about? The image presented here apparently includes the swing states of NY and MA or deep blue districts that were won with something like 30 to 60% blowouts. It's dishonest to argue that a district is somehow harder to win just because it's in a swing state.

Secondly, the goal to strive for should be universal healthcare and there are more than one way to get there.

Finally, every single Democrat running on Medicare for all lost in the Democratic primaries. Every. Single. One. That is the most left-leaning demographic they could ever hope for if they want to win the Presidency.

gulliver

(14,029 posts)
63. Medicare kind of sucks. The path we're on now is much, much better.
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 11:34 AM
Nov 2020

Current Medicare is ridiculously user-unfriendly. You have "donut holes," crazy rules about hospitalization, no MOOP (maximum out of pocket), doctor participation headaches, drug coverage gaps, etc. If you're on Medicare and don't have at least supplemental coverage or an advantage plan, you basically don't have healthcare.

Universal health care needs to be simple: You go to the doctor; you get care. You get a prescription; the pharmacy fills it. By framing what we want as "Medicare for All," we condemn ourselves to fighting forever to get a Rube Goldberg health care prize we shouldn't even want. We also give it a name that sounds "social justice-y" and is asking for defeat and delay.

If (and it's a big if) we can get a public option in place and shore up the ACA, then we'll have the seed crystal for true national health care to grow organically, quietly, painlessly, and quickly. Call it Medicare later. It will be for all, because that's what it will be, not because we stuck the words "for all" on the end.

scipan

(3,057 posts)
65. Some facts.
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 05:13 PM
Nov 2020

The candidates on the list who support M4A and won are indeed all from deep blue districts.

Polling shows a majority of Dems support it and repubs against it. However, more Dems prefer an incremental approach - ACA with a public option.

I'm a Bernie supporter in the primary.

Just facts. Do with them what you wish.

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