All hell is going to break out in the next 24 to 48 hours.

[madaboutharry]

Trump and his enablers are committing sedition.

Democrats and the majority of the American people will not stand for it.

I have no doubt Joe Biden will be inaugurated on January 20th.

But we are about to witness something unimaginable in this country due to a psychotic and out of control president.

[rustysgurl]

1. Pretty much what I'm expecting.

Glad I have nothing planned next week. Groceries stocked. Husband working from home. About the only place I plan on going is my fenced-in backyard.

[C_U_L8R]

2. Trump is desperate and looking at real jail time in NYS.

Born to lose. He's got nowhere to go but down.

[BigmanPigman]

3. Isn't this what they said they'd do?

We knew it too. No surprises. This is why Biden has a team of lawyers ready.

[LuckyCharms]

4. Yep, a very high probability of this, but as you say...

It will not change the outcome of the election.

However, it will likely cause terrible situations in the streets.

[Totally Tunsie]

5. I believe you are correct.

There's a rumbling that is about to explode in MAGAville.

[NJCher]

46. You know it

Wolf blitzer sent a reporter out to try to reason with the trump demonstrators. The venom, the vitriol....

[still_one]

6. unless the republicans in congress step up to counter this, it will happen, and by all accounts that

will not occur

[Sogo]

7. But what if they go to war,

and no one responds? Will they just fight among themselves?


Time to stay home, people....

[tavernier]

10. Sure. If everyone just goes about their daily business

and ignores them, who are they going to war with?

[musicblind]

17. I'm more worried about a series of MAGA related terrorist attacks.

Hopefully the FBI, CIA, and Homeland Security are on it. They've done a good job so far, but that's just... so far.

[NJCher]

47. Cops

Lol

[Buckeye_Democrat]

60. Agreed.

A KKK group held a rally in Dayton OH months ago.

City officials were forced by lawyers to allow it, despite their attempts to cancel it, so they urged everyone to avoid it. And that's mostly what happened, turning it into a nothing-burger.

Edit: Well, except it cost the city a LOT of money because they put up all kinds of barriers to avoid violence. Yet the public overwhelmingly avoided it like they had begged anyway.

[BainsBane]

8. Maybe

but it's also possible that there will be a relatively small number of them that carry on.

[jmbar2]

9. What are you referring to?

What is the threat?

[Thekaspervote]

12. Yes, where is the threat? All I've seen are dwindling numbers of trumpers standing on capital steps

[madaboutharry]

13. There are several things happening.

Trump refusing to concede and embarking on “campaign style rallies” to get supporters behind his refusal to accept the results of the election.

Filing lawsuits in multiple jurisdictions alleging fraud.

Refusing to cooperate with traditional protocols for transition.

Sending flaks like Lindsey Graham out on television to undermine Biden ‘s victory.

Trump is playing a dangerous game and it is causing great damage to our democracy.

[jmbar2]

20. Same old stuff they've been doing.

It's not working. People are bored with their antics. He may get his TrumpHeads to follow him around for awhile longer, but there's not much point in it now that he's lost. Not worried about them.

Small anecdote: I live in a rural town in Oregon. Every Saturday at 4pm, the Trumpers have been having a small parade of pickup trucks drive through town with American and Trump flags.

Yesterday, only and handful came. No trump flags, only a couple of extremely tattered American flags. I think they are too embarrassed to drive around with the Trump flags anymore. Their movement is quickly falling apart.

I genuinely think that they thought they were in the majority. The fact that more than half of the nation are dancing in the streets over his loss is a shock to them. They simply didn't know how unpopular Trumpism is. There will be a few diehards and knuckleheads, but they will mostly disappear like the Tea Party did. This loss has been humiliating and few will want to be publically on the losing side. JMHO

[colorado_ufo]

29. Yeah - where are those stupid hats with the tea bags hanging from them?

[liberalla]

11. Wed. 11/11 is Veterans Day, and my job is closed that day. I wonder if MAGAts might

use that holiday to plan something...

[vlyons]

14. I'm not afraid

Stop the fear-mongering please. There may be some small and pathetic demonstrations of 20 to 30 dressed in fatigues and carrying long guns in a few places. Trump signs and flags. But so what? Nothing compared to the hundreds of thousands dancing in the streets across America on Saturday.

Trump is irrelevant. This is their process that they have to go through. Nothing lasts forever. Eventually, they will give it up and move on to something else to make themselves feel important. Once we get Covid under control and get some infrastructure and green jobs hiring, Trump protesters will get a living wage, and their anger will subside. Not for all of them of course, but for many of them.

We have to move on too. Stop giving a hoot what Trump tweets. He is irrelevant. He's going through his grief process as a big sour puss of a sore loser, and may very well do some jail time. The law of karma is just like gravity in that it never stops working. His evil karma will eventually ripen, and he will get his just rewards.

Let's just focus on moving our Dem agenda forward.

[madaboutharry]

16. I am not fear mongering.

Things will be ugly the next few days

Everything in my post is what is being reported by respected news outlets.

Will Trump’s attempt to undermine the election prevail? No, but it is going to be a very difficult 70 days.

[Ligyron]

22. I don't understand, is there some specific threat?

I haven’t watch the tv news what is going to happen in the next few days?

[Eyeball_Kid]

35. The pandemic is raging and Trumpy-Boy wants to hold big rallies.

He will get a lot of resistance from local officials wherever he goes. There's just too much sickness for this to go on. And Trump can no longer claim that he's still campaigning for re-election.

We're watching as rallies turn into a "tag, you're it" game of death and dying. As more people get infected, ever more people will conclude that attending mass rallies is a very bad idea. Common sense will largely replace the vehicle by which people decide to attend rallies. Trump will have to see the disinterest before he feels dejected.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

42. i'm with ya

[cwydro]

61. Thank you.

Remember all the posts about gunfire on Election Day?

Never happened.

[anneboleyn]

67. Even Fox is done with his sh!t. Their main hosts have been saying "let's get on with things"

when random Trumper ding-dongs mention the many pathetic lawsuits (not to mention the obvious problem of how many lawsuits Trump and co would have to win, and win perfectly according to their wishes, to somehow throw vote totals to Trump. Nobody except for the man-baby and a few pathetic cultists left think this is viable.

[nilram]

15. Prescient. State of emergency in Utah.

https://www.abc4.com/news/top-stories/breaking-gov-herbert-declares-new-state-of-emergency-statewide-mask-mandate-other-restrictions/


https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/30/us/utah-emergency-alert-covid-19-trnd/index.html

[Crunchy Frog]

18. Yes. 2020 still has some shit in store for us.

[Grasswire2]

19. Here's the low-level GSA employee blocking the funds for transition -- a Trumper

[link:

Link to tweet

?s=20|

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

24. Exactly what funds is she refusing to release?

Whatever they are, meanwhile Biden's people will be doing things like visiting the various federal agencies about the transition. Unlike what happened in 2016, when almost no Trump people bothered to do that.

Read The Fifth Risk by Michael Lewis. It's horrifying to learn the very narrow agenda of the Trump people.

[PufPuf23]

25. The Fifth Risk

The Fifth Risk is a 2018 non-fiction book by Michael Lewis that examines the transition and political appointments of the Donald Trump presidency, especially with respect to three government agencies: the Department of Energy, the Department of Agriculture, and the Department of Commerce.[1][2][3][4][5] The book spent fourteen weeks on The New York Times non-fiction best-seller list.[6] A lengthy excerpt from the book was published twice by The Guardian,[7] using a quote from a top adviser to Trump in the title.

Barack and Michelle Obama acquired the rights to the book for a possible Netflix series about the U.S. government.[8]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fifth_Risk

Thank you PO.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

26. You are welcome.

I bring up this book any time it is appropriate.

More people need to read it.

[lunatica]

40. I subscribe to a political email put out by Heather Cox Richardson

https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/people/4875576-heather-cox-richardson

Here is an excerpt about the transition process problem:

Emily Murphy, a Trump appointee at the General Services Administration, the agency in charge of signing the paperwork that gives a new administration access to office space and equipment as well as $9.9 million authorized for a presidential transition, has refused to sign paperwork enabling Biden and his team to begin the transition process. Once the transition begins, the new administration can begin to process disclosure and conflict-of-interest forms and get up to speed with ongoing government projects. But the GSA is refusing to allow a transition before Trump agrees that one is in order. Normally the transition begins the day after the election is called.

[pfitz59]

52. Transition team funds and resources. Statutory.

President-elect gets office space, equipment, computers, emails and a budget to start the transition. She is refusing to authorize all that.

[uponit7771]

66. WOW !!!

[onenote]

71. Low level? No, she's the highest level GSA employee

She's the Administrator (i.e., chief executive) of GSA, an independent agency with 12,000 employees and a $21 billion budget. She makes around $170K/year -- almost as much as a Senator or House member.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

21. Meh.

A friend who lives in Pennsylvania, who is always something of a Debbie Downer, expressed a fear in our phone conversation tonight that Trump lawsuits could keep the state from certifying the election results long enough that the Republican legislature could confirm a Republican slate of electors.

Lots of problems with that scenario. First is that every single recent challenge to election results has been shot down very quickly. Second is that the state will be certifying its results by November 23, well ahead of the December 14 Electoral College vote. Third is that the vote for Biden is very strong.

This man is my very best friend, ever, but he tends to be very negative about these things.

[stopdiggin]

36. well we (collective we) keep insisting on spinning out

these paranoid fringe theories. And here we are on another string -- that doesn't even have a theory attached! Just a, "look out" -- "bad sh*t" -- amorphous dread.

Your friend may be negative -- but is traveling in fellow company it seems.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

43. The essential problem with my friend is that he

is all too willing to accept various conspiracy theories and other sorts.

He's freaking out that Trump might delay vote certification, but doesn't actually know the timeline involved. He's apparently unaware that every single recent vote challenge by the Republicans has been shot down immediately, if not sooner.

My frustration with him, and that extends to lots of others, is being willing to be overwhelmed by totally bullshit stuff. Conspiracy theory, mostly. He's convinced that Trump's various lawsuits could delay the certification of the vote in PA (and he was completely unaware of the dates involved) so that the legislature could appoint its own electoral slate. Sigh. He's got at best a shaky grasp on how the electoral slate winds up doing its. Not to mention, will the state legislature be in session in November? I suspect not.

My point is that my friend, who is a strong, reliable progressive Democrat, keeps on falling for such nonsense. I suspect he's not as uncommon a person as I wish he were.

He can be naive and gullible in other circumstances. A couple of years ago a friend persuaded him to take on a loan for a car. The other person had enough for the down payment, not enough for the loan. My friend took on the car loan. ARRGGHHHH. Had he talked to me before signing the paperwork I've had told him in no uncertain terms not to do this. Alas, my friend was soothed by his friend's ability to make the car payment. Well, as you might guess, things went bad not long after. The specific details really aren't important. Just that YOU SHOULD NEVER CO-SIGN ON A LOAN. EVER. I actually learned that lesson about 50 years ago, when co-workers stupidly co-signed for loans and then got stuck with them. What I learned was NEVER co-sign for a loan. Ever.

[mr_lebowski]

44. I'd say there's maybe two exceptions ...

Maybe for a child, like to help them build their credit.

OR if you're hella rich and the loan isn't for that much, and you totally don't give a shit if you end up having to cover the amount of the loan out of pocket. But you have to make sure you also get copies of the bills so you'll know if it's not getting paid.

Other than THOSE two cases ... I heartily agree ... bad, bad idea.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

49. He has no children.

And he's not remotely rich.

When I learned he'd taken the loan in his own name, which is what happened, I was horrified. Sure enough, the person "buying" the car essentially skipped out (it's more complicated than that, but the details aren't important) and left my friend holding the bag. I'm still angry at him for being dumb enough to take on the car loan. He'd been burned a year or so earlier when a friend borrowed his car, got involved in a drug deal, fled from law enforcement and essentially trashed his car. You'd think he'd have learned his lesson.

Sigh. My friend is too often not at all willing to hold others responsible. In many ways he's naive and credulous. He's a strong progressive Democrat, as are most of us here, but he keeps on buying into the notion that Trump can hold up election results beyond the date that results will be certified by the states, or even beyond when the Electoral College meets and casts their votes. Sigh. This is my very best friend in the whole world. We've known each other for almost 50 years now, and it's annoying that I can't get him to understand various basic things.

I'm working on it, trust me.

[mr_lebowski]

54. Perhaps a defense mechanism ... preparing himself for the worst ... to help avoid disappointment

Given that, from how you describe it, a number of endeavors in his personal life have in fact kinda turned out for the worst.

You are a nice friend PO

[brettdale]

23. Everything will be fine

Just look at these days following the election, how many trump protestors in
every city??


5?

10?

maybe 20?

[lagomorph777]

65. I think Saturday was the first time the MAGATs realized just how widely they are hated.

They were pathetically outnumbered in the streets.

As they would be if they try to pull any shit.

They get that now.

[Roy Rolling]

27. Plausible

Possible.
But not probable, because “all hell” has been a non-stop Trump feature all along. It’s had to see how much phony patriots have left in the tank, and if they have jobs to keep them off the streets.

A protest consisting of unemployed Trump deplorables won’t have the same TV impact as the millions who march against them.

I hope your prediction is wrong, and I’m sure you do too. 😁

[lindysalsagal]

28. Million maga march DC niv 14th.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

50. Yeah, right.

I'll be astonished if even 5,000 show up.

Probably more like 500. At best.

[ShazzieB]

64. I literally laughed out loud when I read this!

Million MAGA March, my left hind leg!

[jb5150]

30. The maga-idiots are just working through the stages of grief ...

I hope they can get to acceptance without violence.

[jmbar2]

31. Very astute observation

Hadn't thought of it that way, but it's perfect.

[ToxMarz]

32. All the aggressive magat I know are going on about

a mass exudus from Facebook on Nov 13.

VERY SCARY!

I'll be on the lookout.

Will a nut or three pop up, no doubt. If there was going be a mass uprising they'd already be building. Around here they were busy with the annual fall Turkey Dinner. But I'm sure when that's done (and maybe a nap) they'll get right on the sedition.

[renate]

34. Why? When Facebook is part of why their dude is (for now) President?

I’ll go back to Facebook if it’s self-fumigated. So, yay?

[No Vested Interest]

37. They seem to talk about a site called Parler.com

I haven't checked it out and don't intend to, but others here may know about it and comment.

[BusyBeingBest]

41. I've seen that too--appears there's no way to browse

without signing up. No way in hell I would put their app on my phone or give them any personal info.

[John1956PA]

53. I know of a QAnon-radicalized suburban housewife who has gone from Fb to Parler.

On her Facebook page, she is beckoning her Facebook friends to follow her on Parler.

I hope these extreme right-wing conspiracy mongers rapidly dwindle in number.

[jcgoldie]

55. Oh Noes! What will we do if they boycott facebook?!?

Turn your back on russian disinformation and right political memes... please please ANYTHING BUT THAT!!!

[Iris]

72. Ha! Yes! The exit from FB to Parler is their big "action" n/t

[PSPS]

33. Nonsense.

[joshcryer]

39. Their litigation is a nothingburger.

They have nothing, and can do nothing.

[TexasBushwhacker]

45. Trump is just stringing his minions along to get more money

He says it's for his legal fees, but really it's going to pay his campaign debts (60%) and 40% goes to the RNC. Only after they have contributed the legal limit does anything go to his legal fees. Oh, and those campaign debts? Since his campaign headquarters was in Trump Tower, my guess is that a lot of his debt is to himself.

[Happy Hoosier]

58. Possible, but...

Some of the most successful con men actually BELIEVE their own bullshit to some degree. Trump may really believe that his MAGAt Army is gonna save him.

Narrator: It won't.

[TexasBushwhacker]

59. But he's doing what he accused the Dems of in 2016

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/trump-election-wisconsin-democrats-biden-b1719634.html

"Trump in 2016 said ‘badly defeated’ Democrats were demanding recounts to ‘fill up their coffers’"

[OneBlueSky]

48. please, folks . . . do NOT underestimate Trump's desire and ability to fuck things up . . .

and the thing he MOST wants to fuck up right now is a transition to a Biden administration . . . since he truly believes that HE won the election . . .

I don't know the specifics what they are planning, but if you've been paying attention the past four years, "all hell is going to break out" is surely an apt prediction of what we can expect . . . and not just for the next 24 to 48 hours . . .

(somebody just keep him away from the nuclear codes, please . . .)

[wishstar]

51. All of news media needs to make it loud and clear how resounding a victory for Joe

I hope today that the news emphasizes that Biden has clearly won Nevada and Arizona and Georgia now that bulk of votes have been counted and that Trump has no chance to overturn Joe's 306 electoral win . Strong pushback is vital to counter the lies and disruption coming from the other side.

[Lars39]

56. They will use "the Big Lie" to further sow confusion.

They don't actually have to say or do anything but let their propaganda machine rile their base up, and see how far it gets them towards total chaos.

[Happy Hoosier]

57. I expected some ACTION by now from Trump's crack legal team!!!!

I guess Rudy is still "tucking."

[cbdo2007]

62. It will break loose, but he is going to drag it out FOR YEARS...not just the next 1-2 days.

He is building a new brand around his political followers being fools and easy to manipulate. This will be his new identity going forward - disenfranchised and victimized former king of the world. lol

[Hotler]

63. Somebody please video it.

I keep hearing about melt downs, I want to see how much melting there really is. Maybe it's just endless sobbing.

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

68. I fear this. It seems nave not to expect the worst from the worst

person ever to have been POTUS.

I do think maybe acting like he couldn't possibly do what he very well might try to do is a way to discredit such behavior. But I suspect that Biden's team of lawyers are not resting, and what can be done to fend off Trump's sedition is being done. Whether that will be enough, I don't know, but do hope.

[wiggs]

69. Do the dems and sane republicans and independents have the juice to stop a rising autocrat and

his cult?

[jimlup]

70. I agree though I suspect it will take longer to play out...

think weeks not hours.

I will breath a sigh of relief when the electoral college votes on December 14th.