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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsBiden won because he recognized that California was not the same as Georgia
That is why Stacy Abrams and Jay Clyburn were supporting Biden before anyone else
What I am saying is that the message couldn't be too far to the left or the right
bigtree
(85,996 posts)...his message was the same for California and Georgia.
still_one
(92,188 posts)the right
bigtree
(85,996 posts)...it's really a slam on Californians, as if what they want and need is markedly different from what Georgians want and need.
More than that, it suggests that there's something wrong with the expectations of voters who don't blanch at planks of our Democratic agenda like red state residents. And let's not pretend that there aren't voters in Georgia who want and deserve what Californians need and desire.
still_one
(92,188 posts)opinion.
We have areas in California that are quite red. The San Joaquin valley and orange county as an example
Fortunately, in the large populated areas where I live, Bay Area, and LA outnumber those areas
As Barbara Boxer said to a rally I attended several years ago, California is actually a very independent state
This is evidenced by the Governors we have had
bigtree
(85,996 posts)...and something so precious about Georgia conservatism that it needs defending.
I disagree.
Red state Democrats should recognize the results of this election where the vast majority of Americans who voted for Joe Biden did not materialize from their communities, but from districts which are decidedly less conservative.
Moderate, red states need to get a grip the fact that most Americans live in blue 'coastal' states. What moderates reject about liberalism has nothing to do with geography, and everything to do with self-interest. It's just not sacrosanct enough for any progressive in a blue state to give a damn about if it falls outside of basic human rights, safety, or common decency.
still_one
(92,188 posts)I would never defend some of the red state conservatism, which borders in many cases on outright racism. Unfortunately, that also occurs in some areas of blue states also
Beakybird
(3,333 posts)still_one
(92,188 posts)left or right
JI7
(89,249 posts)action ..............
still_one
(92,188 posts)I believe it was mostly due because it was written very badly
A no vote mean yes for same sex marriage, and a yes vote meant no for same sex marriage
Just idiocy who was involved in writing that proposition
stopbush
(24,396 posts)block of EVs out there. We are the primary FUNDERS of D candidates. We provide a huge block of reliable and progressive Congresspeople. AND YET, if any group of D voters is taken for granted, it is CA Dems.
People were up in arms that our primaries were moved up this year. Tough shit. It felt great to cast a primary vote that actually meant something.
If there is ever an election where Ds are sweating out the results from CA, well, there would be nothing to sweat. Because if CA going D was in question, it would mean that the rest of the country was going overwhelmingly R.
still_one
(92,188 posts)stopbush
(24,396 posts)Ah-nold had the chance to sign a public option health bill and vetoed it. He later said he regretted that decision and would sign a bill if it came up again, but it never did.
still_one
(92,188 posts)and didn't
stopbush
(24,396 posts)Voting no on props is the safe option - if people arent sure what the prop proposes, voting no leaves well enough alone. And most voters dont bother researching the props - its a matter of whose TV ads work best.
Most props are brought by Rs looking to do and end run around the D-controlled state legislature.
still_one
(92,188 posts)propositions were legislation by mob rule
While on the surface propositions sound attractive because of the difficulty of passing things through the legislative process, but propositions are a double edged sword. Not only are there progressive propositions, but also quite draconian ones
I remember one where the republicans were trying to get our electoral college votes distributed on a proportional basis during a general election. It failed badly fortunately
The only way I would even consider something like that is if every state was that way