oh dear gawd. Latest legal claim from trump team in PA. You're gonna LOVE this one!!

[Roland99]

https://www.democracydocket.com/cases/montgomery-county-board-of-elections-vote-count/


Response to republican petition:
https://www.democracydocket.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/45/2020/11/DNC-Response-in-Opposition-filed.pdf


So the claim is the ballots are invalid because the voter didn't put the full return address on the OUTER mailer envelope?!?!

[txwhitedove]

1. I voted by mail in Texas and all I had to do was sign my name on outer envelope.

[TexasBushwhacker]

2. Would that be necessary

if they dropped off the ballot? Besides, if the USPS delivers it to the right place, it's immaterial if it was written on the envelope as long as it got there on time.

[Hortensis]

14. More to the point, is there a legal instruction to add the address there?

In GA it was not required. We earnestly wrote in our addresses, but strictly as an attempt to keep GA Republicans from somehow using it to "lose" them. And then, as we always planned, we delivered them to the registrar's box ourselves.

[stopdiggin]

28. yeah. the point would be is there

instruction or legal requirement? A lot of folks getting hung up on whether something is "fair" or not. The issue is whether the action (or ballot) is "legal" or not. And there isn't a lot of legal remedy for people that made mistakes.

[Bayard]

3. Bullshit

Grasping at straws.

[bdamomma]

6. Grasping

is right.


Joe's team was ready for this, correct?

Joe has lawyers.

[lunatica]

23. Grasping at their pearls is more apt.

[TwilightZone]

4. Yeah, this is the same legal team that many are insisting is going to get the election overturned.

This bunch of incompetents has people claiming that the sky is falling. Go figure.

[lagomorph777]

12. Same legal team that booked Four Seasons Total Landscaping fail.

[apcalc]

5. That will have no standing imo.

Grabbing at straws.

In order to even be approved for a ballot, one has to submit their complete address. And the address is on the ballot itself, with one’s name , if I remember correctly.

[brush]

7. More BS. Instructions were included in the ballot package.

All voters had to do was follow the instructions correctly.

[Stallion]

8. 592 Ballots Aren't going to Cut it in Pennsylvania Anyway-Sad!

[getagrip_already]

9. it would be the basis for a much larger motion....

They want something they can get to scotus to throw out large swaths of votes.

They are just ignorant morons and have no cause the court will rule on..

[SomedayKindaLove]

10. This is a law the PA legislature passed

If the ballot isn’t in the security ballot, it is to be considered invalid. (The opening of two envelopes is one of the reasons the counting of mail in ballots is taking so long).

I assume the reasoning is, if the the ballot isn’t sealed in the security envelope, someone could have tampered with the ballot in the mail. Basically a law designed to stop possible fraud in a potential handful of cases, that in turn can suppress up to 200,000 ballots.

Hopefully PA has not been including such ballots in their released totals, otherwise things could get ugly.

[SomedayKindaLove]

17. Not "trying" anything

Just misread the post

[lagomorph777]

21. Sorry - self-deleted my complaint.

[onenote]

19. Instead of assuming anything, why not try reading the linked pleading.

you know what they say about assuming things, right?

[SomedayKindaLove]

20. I also know what they say about kicking someone when they are down

And piling on, as I already said I misread.

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

25. Well, why not delete your post which was based on that misreading?

Then, no one can possibly reply to it.

[Klaralven]

11. I never put a return address on the outer envelope in NJ

It was a business return mail envelope, and they don't usually have a space for a return address. There is no reason why such an envelope would be returned to sender, since the sender isn't paying the postage and the destination address is unambiguous.

My full address was on the flap of the inner security envelope, which is detached after it is processed so that the inner envelope then becomes anonymous.

Was the PA setup similar?

[frazzled]

15. We had to put our printed name and full address on outer envelope

in Illinois, in addition to signature. It wasn’t a return address, just lines that had to be filled in. And how many years you’d lived there. There was also a verification stipulation that you were turning in ballot yourself, unless making some allocation to another person, in which case some other steps were taken.

My spouse and I played it safe, and while illegally parked in front of the Board of Elections on a busy street, I jumped out to put my ballot in the box myself and ran back to the car to wait with the flashers blinking while he jumped out and self-deposited his own. It felt really stupid and unnecessary, but we were following the rules to the letter to be safe!

ON EDIT: I think the address was necessary for voter verification of ward and precinct.

[riversedge]

16. no doubt a RW judge will agree.

[whistler162]

18. Haven't so far.

[struggle4progress]

22. RESPONDENTS: "Here we go again."

[Thav]

24. "Your honor..."

I'd like to make a "Are you kidding me?" motion.

[jmowreader]

26. I would love to be the judge who wrote the decision on this one

Respondent claims that he may suffer irreparable harm if 592 ballots on which the voter did not affix his or her full return address are invalid.

To paraphrase the great Eric Cartman, "Donald, you're really, really reaching."

The court finds that the ballots were cast properly according to the law existing at the time they were cast. The respondent may wish he could unilaterally impose ex post facto additional restrictions on the electorate of a sovereign state, but that's not how this works. If the Trump campaign was allowed to add rules after the election, the Biden camp would be equally entitled to do so - and there's nothing to prevent the Democratic candidate from demanding that any ballot bearing a vote for the Republican candidate be invalidated.

There is actually one thing that would "prevent it." This court will not allow the Democrats to impose additional rules on the election after the voters have spoken. Nor will we allow the Republicans to do likewise.

Petition denied. The Court does not believe the defects in the respondent's filing can be cured; therefore, the Court takes great pride and pleasure in dismissing this case with prejudice.

[Captain Zero]

27. In Indiana the return address is printed on outer and it's the County Board of Elections !

I just assumed every originating voting board printed their own address as the return.
Our outer envelopes had the County Board of Elections Vote center as both the Addressee and as the Return Address.

You don't have to put a return address on ANY piece of mail if you don't want to.