Joe Manchin goes on Fox News, declares opposition to ending filibuster or expanding Supreme Court

[tritsofme]

Even if Democrats sweep Georgia. Sigh...he even uses Republican framing, he is going to be a pain.

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[elleng]

1. He's often a pain/'selectively' painful.

[helpisontheway]

2. I can't stand his @ss..almost as bad as the Republicans..almost. Nt

[dalton99a]

3. The most marginally useful Democratic senator ever

[texasfiddler]

4. He knows how to keep his ruby red seat as a Democratic Senator.

[Polybius]

47. I wish Doug Jones knew

Had he moved to the right, he would have had a much better chance. But alas, he stood strong and didn't back down from his beliefs, so I can't go too hard on him.

[In It to Win It]

5. That's what you get when you have a red-state Democrat

I want more of them but damn are they hard to work with

[Amishman]

8. infinitely preferable to the alternative

He knows how to play the game and preserve himself.

We also need to give him the leeway to do shit like this, I could easily see him being our Jim Jeffords

[In It to Win It]

13. Tell me about it!

We have no choice but to give him leeway. We need all the numbers we can get.

[Karadeniz]

6. The GOP attack on deliberation and bipartisanship which began with a meeting the day of Obama's

Inauguration to maintain a policy of complete non cooperation would seem to render Manchin's comments obsolete.

[doc03]

7. Well I was going to make a comment but we are not supposed to

criticize Democrats.

[FoxNewsSucks]

25. Pretty fucking annoying, isn't it.

Often, criticism is necessary.

[dustyscamp]

39. Yep criticism isn't always bad

[wellst0nev0ter]

41. Sad that we can't lodge legitimate criticism against Dems

who constantly ratfuck us.

[Crunchy Frog]

45. We're allowed to criticize Democrats.

We're not allowed to attack them, but that is not the same thing as criticizing.

[doc03]

54. I have had posts removed for what I considered constructive criticism.

[Crunchy Frog]

55. Juries can be capricious unfortunately.

I kind of wish they would go back to using moderators.

[Polybius]

48. Constructive criticism is always allowed

You can't bash him, but saying why you disagree is fine.

[sfstaxprep]

9. Neither Can Be Done With 50 Votes Anyways

I had heard that the Vice President is not allowed to break a tie for either of those issues, so the Democrats would need 51, in addition to any Democratic Senators like Manchin who won't go along with the change(s).

A lopsided Supreme Court is something we may have to live with for a long, long time, unfortunately, and it appears getting rid of the filibuster won't be any easier.

[Fiendish Thingy]

16. That is false for court expansion, which would be a bill like any other

The filibuster is related to the rules of the senate, so not sure what Harris’s role is in that case.

[In It to Win It]

18. IIRC, expanding the supreme court is a legislative fix, which the VP can vote on.

I'm open to being corrected on that.

[tritsofme]

20. I don't think that's right.

The VP would still break a tie on a procedural vote.

[sfstaxprep]

22. So Either Can Be Broken By Vice President? nt

[DeminPennswoods]

38. In a 50-50 senate, the party of the VP, who is also President

of the Senate, controls the Senate.

The VP also breaks all tie votes. Presumably Harris would be the "aye" vote to enact the administration's bills.

[Statistical]

50. VP breaks ties for both procedural votes (fillibuster) and legislation (expanding the court).

Still I think it is a moot point.

[Thrill]

10. What's new?

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[brooklynite]

11. Like Joe Biden.....

[tritsofme]

15. True enough, but it steps all over Schumer's message of strategic ambiguity

[Mike Niendorff]

12. Let's revisit this in 2022.

After the next 2 years of right-wing insanity in the Trump Courts, I think even Joe Manchin will be singing a different tune.

It's gonna be that bad.

MDN

[sfstaxprep]

23. Unless His State Turns Blue, I Doubt It nt

[Polybius]

49. He's against Roe

So it would have to be another bad decision.

[Mike Niendorff]

53. It will be.

And it'll be more than one.


MDN

[Fiendish Thingy]

14. Welcome to the Steve King Club, Joe

No committees assignments, only floor votes.

If there’s any justice...

[tritsofme]

19. Assuming a 50/50 Senate after Georgia, he would simply become a Republican

and join them in the majority.

[sfstaxprep]

24. Not So Sure About That

He would just vote with them occasionally.

[tritsofme]

32. You proposed stripping him of committee assignments

Why would he sit back and let that happen, when Mitch could offer him the chairmanship and committee roster of his choice?

[Imperialism Inc.]

17. Well I do agree with the no reason to have a Senate part at least.

[LuvNewcastle]

30. Me too.

[Submariner]

21. We let his thieving daughter rip off the sick

with vastly overpriced epipens, so it just shows how we have to lower ourselves and look the other way to hold a congressional seat. Sad.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

26. Sadly

I am not surprised by this (I never thought that he would)

[Demsrule86]

27. Good that helps us with Georgia

[Mr. Sparkle]

28. Jesus Christ i hate him already

and its only been a few days since the election.

[Ace Rothstein]

29. Wasn't going to happen unless it was a wave.

We needed to end up at 52-53 votes on our side to get these things passed.

[LostOne4Ever]

31. Nooooooo!

We need two justices at the very least to return things to the center!

This isn’t right! The Republicans stole Obama’s court pick and now we are stuck like this even if we get the senate!

/sobbing

[radius777]

33. We need Manchin's seat

and this is how he wins in a deep red seat. It is what is is. Sinema and Kelly likely would take the same position even though AZ is a purple state, it is on a knife's edge. If we win both GA seats those guys likely would take the same position. We need more solid blue seats and/or the purple states to trend bluer (like CO and VA did) to really get things done.

[tritsofme]

35. I agree, it's just unfortunate as it steps all over Schumer's message of strategic ambiguity

to maximize his leverage. When he says “everything is on the table” it means less now.

[wellst0nev0ter]

34. This must be AOC's fault too

The Fox News Democrats will be the death of us.

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

36. Bipartisan way?

Where was that in the past 12 years?

[melman]

37. The Republicans are refusing to accept the results of the election

and this guy goes on FOX to talk about the importance of bipartisanship?


JFC

[DeminPennswoods]

40. Biden's proposed a commission to study reforming the courts

Make Manchin part of the commission and the review process. That invests Manchin in the process and makes it much harder to oppose whatever recommendations are made.

[Poiuyt]

42. I don't think there'll be any court reform with McConnell as majority leader

[DeminPennswoods]

46. McConnell will obstruct everything, but

if Dems get control, then I think court reform will happen.

[Poiuyt]

52. I'm going on the supposition that Reps will maintain control of the senate

[Crunchy Frog]

43. He may feel differently after all his inbred, toothless constituents lose their healthcare.

[BGBD]

44. Funny you guys don't see what he's doing

Would it be easier to pick up those two seats if we campaign on ending the filibuster and packing the court? That's probably why we don't have the senate already. The Republicans are going to run the entire campaign on those two issues and say we are too extreme to have unified power. Manchin eases that because moderate Georgians will look at this statement and say that it's safe to put democrats in power because they won't be able to do the stuff that scares them.

[JI7]

51. A lot of people are out of touch

[wishstar]

56. As you say, Joe is actually helping us win moderate votes in the Georgia Senate runoff

by making it clear that voting for Dems in Georgia will not cause radical shift.