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My Pet Orangutan

(9,096 posts)
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 09:14 AM Nov 2020

Covid: Horror in North Dakota

North Dakota is a preview of the health System overwhelmed. With Italy, In hospitals that did not turn people away. patients were left to die of suffocation on trolleys. North Dakota has the highest rate of known Covid infections in the world.

How North Dakota became a covid-19 nightmare

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The virus is everywhere, affecting every profession and demographic. We see high case counts among health-care workers, in congregate living facilities and among hospitality workers — but the outbreak isn’t limited to these occupations. Entire offices that do not have prevention protocols in place are being wiped out by the virus.

Contact tracers have become overwhelmed. The North Dakota Department of Health recently announced the discontinuation of contact tracing, asking people who test positive to reach out to their own close contacts to notify them to quarantine. This change has likely added to covid-19’s spread across the state.

Deaths have more than doubled in the past month, and hospitals are at capacity. Rural hospitals are especially challenged. Typically, their critically ill patients are transferred to larger cities in North Dakota, which have better-resourced care facilities. But as even our larger hospitals are swamped, patients from rural areas have been sent out of state for care. Families are left behind, wondering if their loved ones will recover and return home or remain hospitalized out of state and die alone.

Health-care workers are being pushed to the brink caring for patients with no relief. Jeffrey Sather, medical director for Trinity Health’s Emergency Trauma Center in Minot, N.D., said recently that when he asks his colleagues how they’re holding up, they reveal a dreadful truth: “I have to watch someone suffocate to death, every day, and sometimes several times a day.”

... Astonishingly, there are still no statewide mitigation measures being enforced in North Dakota, leaving the task of stopping covid’s spread to local leaders. After a grueling six-hour meeting last week, the Bismarck City Commission voted 3 to 2 to approve a “pandemic mitigation strategy” requiring masks in public places and limiting social gatherings. The catch: There is no penalty for non-compliance. So while this is a step in the right direction, it won’t be enough to curb the contagion.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/11/06/north-dakota-covid-19-cases/

The GOP / Trump have murdered more than 100,000 Americans.

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Covid: Horror in North Dakota (Original Post) My Pet Orangutan Nov 2020 OP
We'll be at 250,000 dead by Thanksgiving Best_man23 Nov 2020 #1
Eisenhower would agree Ponietz Nov 2020 #14
US Combat deaths in WW2 were 291,500 IronLionZion Nov 2020 #16
Eisenhower was the last decent Republican politician on the planet. olegramps Nov 2020 #27
Edward Brooke was post-Eisenhower Celerity Nov 2020 #64
405,000 total for WW II Botany Nov 2020 #31
exactly right. Javaman Nov 2020 #65
If we were losing this many Americans in a war over the same time period . . . peggysue2 Nov 2020 #22
Isn't that the insane truth? Well put. Evolve Dammit Nov 2020 #46
According to this site, we'll probably be at 245K by the end of today. Pacifist Patriot Nov 2020 #53
I'm guessing somewhere around another 17k dead, at least. toddwv Nov 2020 #68
It's time for fines for non-compliance soothsayer Nov 2020 #2
Thank goodness the border is still closed. luvtheGWN Nov 2020 #40
South Dakota is the same, because Governor Typhoid Kristi Noem, Roisin Ni Fiachra Nov 2020 #3
Yup Sherman A1 Nov 2020 #6
I know someone who thinks she's wonderful and should run for POTUS in 2024! progressoid Nov 2020 #60
Doesn't their state think it is a hoax, BS, etc? BigmanPigman Nov 2020 #4
And Trump won North Dakota by 36 points dalton99a Nov 2020 #5
And they elected a dead Republican. apnu Nov 2020 #8
Bright young people leave. My Pet Orangutan Nov 2020 #10
This exactly. mrs_p Nov 2020 #34
That should be no surprise to anyone. Ms. Toad Nov 2020 #23
Even the ghost of Darwin is appalled. Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2020 #72
Let's hear for the brave minority in ND jayschool2013 Nov 2020 #30
That's me! mrs_p Nov 2020 #35
Grand Forks? Fargo? jayschool2013 Nov 2020 #48
Yes. It is sad these good people have to suffer the stupidity of Republicans. apnu Nov 2020 #45
Mark us down bluestarone Nov 2020 #47
+1 uponit7771 Nov 2020 #50
I keep thinking to myself... Hugin Nov 2020 #7
The majority of people won't take it seriously until the know someone who knows someone who died. Klaralven Nov 2020 #56
Remember early on they blamed POC for the high exboyfil Nov 2020 #9
Ron DeSantis in Florida blamed Latino immigrants IronLionZion Nov 2020 #18
Yeah, same way AIDS wasn't a big deal robbob Nov 2020 #42
On the bright side... Tarc Nov 2020 #11
I think I love you Six117 Nov 2020 #28
A lot of people need to get spanked Auggie Nov 2020 #12
Bars and restaurants complain about the financial impact of shutdowns bucolic_frolic Nov 2020 #13
That's Always Been Their Flaw ProfessorGAC Nov 2020 #55
They need to go into the home delivery business FakeNoose Nov 2020 #59
Or before you're ( the business owner) dead. marybourg Nov 2020 #71
Sturgis rally Happyhippychick Nov 2020 #15
Yes, Sturgis has had an impact everywhere. Delmette2.0 Nov 2020 #21
That was the very first thing I thought of too. iscooterliberally Nov 2020 #24
Cause and effect. (nt) Paladin Nov 2020 #32
I recently saw an ad for North Dakota spinbaby Nov 2020 #17
I hear North Dakota is great this time of year IronLionZion Nov 2020 #19
Kazakhstan with better hotels. paleotn Nov 2020 #39
Lots of "Rooshuns" near Bismark Klaralven Nov 2020 #58
US Exceptionalism: ND highest rate of known infections in the world Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2020 #20
Maskholes combined with Chump Death Cult kairos12 Nov 2020 #25
Is it still murder if they go willingly to their deaths? mwb970 Nov 2020 #26
Nope! Six117 Nov 2020 #29
I am a transplant here. I just do not mrs_p Nov 2020 #33
If you're thinking about applying for work in a blue state mtnsnake Nov 2020 #43
you reap what you sow. paleotn Nov 2020 #36
Too bad their herd thinning kills the innocent as well. Scalded Nun Nov 2020 #37
Wait! Trump and Fox fakes said this would disappear on November 4. Lonestarblue Nov 2020 #38
And what's happening in the native american communities? jeffreyi Nov 2020 #41
The natives have been hit hard in both Dakota's Dreampuff Nov 2020 #51
Good g_d. jeffreyi Nov 2020 #61
"There is no penalty for non-compliance." So how the hell do you expect ANYTHING to get better?? Evolve Dammit Nov 2020 #44
God is punishing the Dakotas James48 Nov 2020 #49
The states that got hit very hard in the spring were mostly strong blue states. Mariana Nov 2020 #57
despite what Einstein said, God does play dice with the universe DBoon Nov 2020 #66
"Astonishingly, there are still no statewide mitigation measures being enforced in North Dakota" Nitram Nov 2020 #52
Not in South Dakota either Dreampuff Nov 2020 #73
At least its almost all adults... Jon King Nov 2020 #54
It's going to be a cruel Covid winter Roc2020 Nov 2020 #62
"The virus decides" Dr. Anthony Fauci Larissa Nov 2020 #63
Thanks Donald Blue Owl Nov 2020 #67
They got exactly what they paid for. KentuckyWoman Nov 2020 #69
Welp, time to pay the Derp Tax! hatrack Nov 2020 #70

Best_man23

(4,887 posts)
1. We'll be at 250,000 dead by Thanksgiving
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 09:20 AM
Nov 2020

They need to make the tRump humpers do this: “I have to watch someone suffocate to death, every day, and sometimes several times a day.” I'm not hopeful, but perhaps this exercise would break through a few minds poisoned by tRump and RW media.

We just crossed 240K dead, and its not a stretch to say we're likely to see another 10,000 dying from Covid in the next 2 weeks.

Ponietz

(2,903 posts)
14. Eisenhower would agree
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 10:23 AM
Nov 2020

Last edited Tue Nov 10, 2020, 11:01 AM - Edit history (1)

Make them walk through it just as he made Germans walk through the death camps.

IronLionZion

(45,250 posts)
16. US Combat deaths in WW2 were 291,500
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 10:36 AM
Nov 2020

I'm sure Eisenhower would be horrified at the person his party elected president.

olegramps

(8,200 posts)
27. Eisenhower was the last decent Republican politician on the planet.
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 10:55 AM
Nov 2020

The majority of their constituency are ignorant racists who are so damn stupid they can not even comprehend that they are nothing more than ridiculous brainless nincompoops. The fact of the matter is we have 70 million dedicated racists. Sad state of affairs and not likely to get any better in the near future. The only hope is that when they die off their offspring will have better sense. That isn't very promising either given the state of civics teaching in the school systems. It is a fact that immigrants who have to study for their citizenship are far more knowledgeable than the vast majority of our citizens.

Celerity

(42,627 posts)
64. Edward Brooke was post-Eisenhower
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 12:57 PM
Nov 2020
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Brooke



Edward William Brooke III (October 26, 1919 – January 3, 2015) was an American Republican politician. In 1966, he became the first African American popularly elected to the United States Senate. He represented Massachusetts in the Senate from 1967 to 1979.

Born and raised in Washington, D.C., Brooke graduated from the Boston University School of Law after serving in the United States Army during World War II. After serving as chairman of the Finance Commission of Boston, Brooke won election as Massachusetts Attorney General in 1962. In 1966, he defeated Democratic Governor Endicott Peabody in a landslide to win election to the Senate.

In the Senate, Brooke aligned with the liberal faction in the Republican party. He co-wrote the Civil Rights Act of 1968, which prohibits housing discrimination. Brooke became a prominent critic of President Richard Nixon and was the first Senate Republican to call for Nixon's resignation in light of the Watergate scandal.

Botany

(70,281 posts)
31. 405,000 total for WW II
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 11:00 AM
Nov 2020

We are going to pass that # in Jan. 2021

This should have been stopped in China but Trump had to fire any person or disband any organization
that were ready to fight a global pandemic because they were "the black guy's idea."

Javaman

(62,435 posts)
65. exactly right.
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 01:23 PM
Nov 2020

my Uncle liberated two camps, they rounded up the locals, who denied knowing anything about them, and marched them through.

sometimes blunt force is the only way to get the scale of any national tragedy through some peoples thick skulls.

peggysue2

(10,811 posts)
22. If we were losing this many Americans in a war over the same time period . . .
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 10:47 AM
Nov 2020

There would be a public outcry for the heads of POTUS and the Generals in charge. Instead, we have a Covid Task Force doing nothing and Trump insisting the Virus War is a hoax. Remember early on Trump referred to himself as a wartime president.

Trump lost the war. Trump lost the presidency. Pence calling a Task Force meeting now would be funny if it wasn't so tragic.

The Administration is directly responsible for these deaths and the accompanying suffering. The Republicans howled over the four Americans lost in Benghazi, crucifying Hillary Clinton for the losses.

But 250,000 dead and 10 million infected? Crickets.

Roisin Ni Fiachra

(2,574 posts)
3. South Dakota is the same, because Governor Typhoid Kristi Noem,
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 09:24 AM
Nov 2020

Patron Saint of Coronavirus, did absolutely nothing to stop the spread of Covid 19 in South Dakota. She blamed the number of Covid 19 cases on effective testing.

South Dakota ranks 2nd behind North Dakota in cases per capita.

progressoid

(49,824 posts)
60. I know someone who thinks she's wonderful and should run for POTUS in 2024!
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 12:18 PM
Nov 2020

Seriously.

Of course he also thinks a mask mandate will lead to taking away his gunz.

BigmanPigman

(51,430 posts)
4. Doesn't their state think it is a hoax, BS, etc?
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 09:25 AM
Nov 2020

Isn't that why it spread in the first place? They denied it was a serious health issue and made it political crap.

Ms. Toad

(33,915 posts)
23. That should be no surprise to anyone.
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 10:50 AM
Nov 2020

The reason for the noncompliance (and high rate of COVID infections) is BECAUSE they worship Trump, et al. Of course they are going to elect Republicans.

jayschool2013

(2,309 posts)
30. Let's hear for the brave minority in ND
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 10:59 AM
Nov 2020

32 percent voted for Biden, so there are good people in North Dakota and in every red state.

mrs_p

(3,012 posts)
35. That's me!
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 11:14 AM
Nov 2020

My neighborhood - where many of the academics (like myself) live was plastered with Biden signs. There was only one Trump sign (well two, but for the same yard) in my area.

Hugin

(32,769 posts)
7. I keep thinking to myself...
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 09:31 AM
Nov 2020

Thank goodness I'm an observational learner and not experiential.

It's too bad we live in a society where the general philosophy is it's not a crisis until it's a crisis. One day a crisis you can't overcome is going to hit (such as global warming) and that's all she wrote about your species. That's how Nature's cruel calculus works now and forever.

 

Klaralven

(7,510 posts)
56. The majority of people won't take it seriously until the know someone who knows someone who died.
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 12:04 PM
Nov 2020

It was that way in NJ during March/April.

I wouldn't expect it to be any different in other states.

exboyfil

(17,857 posts)
9. Remember early on they blamed POC for the high
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 09:38 AM
Nov 2020

occurrence rates because of the way they lived. Also the official that implied that migrant farm workers weren't real people so the outbreak isn't a big deal.

Last time I checked ND and these other states are lily white.

IronLionZion

(45,250 posts)
18. Ron DeSantis in Florida blamed Latino immigrants
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 10:39 AM
Nov 2020

and several southern states claimed migrant farm work spreads the virus, not people having big parties indoors and maskless

Tarc

(10,472 posts)
11. On the bright side...
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 09:42 AM
Nov 2020

...maybe there's gonna be a lot of vacant land in the Dakotas soon.

Give it all back to the tribes. Joe.

bucolic_frolic

(42,651 posts)
13. Bars and restaurants complain about the financial impact of shutdowns
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 10:20 AM
Nov 2020

but if they remain open they're helping to kill off customers which is a financial impact too.

It's short run vs long run. Grab their money now before they're dead? Is it a good business plan?

ProfessorGAC

(64,413 posts)
55. That's Always Been Their Flaw
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 12:03 PM
Nov 2020

With a death rate of roughly 1 in 40, operating as normal makes 8 million dead people.
Dead people are poor consumers.
A 2.5% total, irreversible contraction is a massive economic hit.
But, they can't see finances past the end oc tomorrow.

FakeNoose

(32,328 posts)
59. They need to go into the home delivery business
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 12:12 PM
Nov 2020

Let the employees who want to keep working, make home deliveries of meals and booze.
Keep their masks on too.

Hey North Dakota, maybe that biker rally last summer wasn't such a great idea after all.



spinbaby

(15,073 posts)
17. I recently saw an ad for North Dakota
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 10:36 AM
Nov 2020

Trying to convince us it’s safe to vacation in beautiful North Dakota.

paleotn

(17,778 posts)
39. Kazakhstan with better hotels.
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 11:19 AM
Nov 2020

It's flat, it's cold or it's blazing hot. The wind blows constantly. It rivals the Saudi empty quarter for nothing's there. What's not to like?

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,773 posts)
20. US Exceptionalism: ND highest rate of known infections in the world
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 10:41 AM
Nov 2020

It's true. I looked at worldometers and the rate of 72 cases per thousand is higher than Andorra, Bahrain, and Qatar. The former is tiny and has a rate of 70. The latter two are at about 49 per thou.

mrs_p

(3,012 posts)
33. I am a transplant here. I just do not
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 11:11 AM
Nov 2020

Understand these people and cannot imagine I will be here for the long haul. Despite a great job and being able to afford a house.

mtnsnake

(22,236 posts)
43. If you're thinking about applying for work in a blue state
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 11:27 AM
Nov 2020

keep in mind that there are large red areas in just about every blue state in the country, so make sure to research the towns where you're applying to make sure they haven't been infiltrated with Trumpsters. Having said that, the red areas in blue states will most likely be nothing like what you're experiencing where you are now.

paleotn

(17,778 posts)
36. you reap what you sow.
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 11:14 AM
Nov 2020

And who the hell are the 2 on the Bismarck commission who voted AGAINS'T the pandemic mitigation strategy? Your state is burning to the ground you idiots!!!

Dreampuff

(778 posts)
51. The natives have been hit hard in both Dakota's
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 11:51 AM
Nov 2020

On top of that, knowing that they had few beds or resources, some reservations tried to protect themselves and only allow trucks and necessary vehicles passing through the reservations. Of course, nasty noem took them to court to force them to open the reservation even during the rally. Don't forget the July 3rd Trump riot at Mount Rushmore. Recently there was a news story about people infected on a reservation who called over 20 different hospitals to ask if they could accept a few of their people and they all declined and said they were full with others. They ended up having to take them to Minnesota hospitals. So much for trying to protect yourself. Only feeling sad for the innocent victims who live in those States, believe in the Coronavirus, I'm didn't promote tRump.

jeffreyi

(1,934 posts)
61. Good g_d.
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 12:23 PM
Nov 2020

South of here, where I live, the Pyramid Lake Paiutes closed off a NV state hwy that goes thru their tribal lands several months ago. I have heard grousing about it because it's one of the routes into Reno from the north, but it sounds like that was a smart thing to do. I hope it's worked out for them and prevented some infections.

Evolve Dammit

(16,632 posts)
44. "There is no penalty for non-compliance." So how the hell do you expect ANYTHING to get better??
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 11:29 AM
Nov 2020

The brainwashed Cult 45 hoards are literally killing us. FCS, What does it take?

Mariana

(14,847 posts)
57. The states that got hit very hard in the spring were mostly strong blue states.
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 12:06 PM
Nov 2020

New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island, Illinois ...

What was God punishing them for?

Dreampuff

(778 posts)
73. Not in South Dakota either
Thu Nov 12, 2020, 09:48 AM
Nov 2020

Their Governor had a few speeches educating the nation on why she will not follow the "draconian" rules other Governors had put in place. Later she invited people to visit or to move there because their economy is great and she did the right thing. She is crazier than North Dakota's governor. Noem, along with my own Governor are seeing who can do the craziest things so they can be the candidate in 2024. (DeSantis)

Apparently Minnesota's Governor is getting tired of his residents running over to the Dakotas to do their partying and dragging covid back home with them. Yesterday he was chastising the governors of both States.

Jon King

(1,910 posts)
54. At least its almost all adults...
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 12:02 PM
Nov 2020

The one blessing is that almost all under 30s will not be in serious trouble from the virus. You are supposed to be stuck on stupid when you are younger. So we mostly have adults with 8 months of information who simply refuse to protect themselves and their families.

Honestly, besides saying masks, masks, masks....we can't save these self destructive people from themselves.

Roc2020

(1,601 posts)
62. It's going to be a cruel Covid winter
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 12:41 PM
Nov 2020

Trump caused this ignorance and dangerous propaganda around this virus causing many thousands to die.

Larissa

(786 posts)
63. "The virus decides" Dr. Anthony Fauci
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 12:48 PM
Nov 2020

In New Jersey masks have been mandatory since March. We were on lock-down from March 21st through June 9th. When things seem to lighten up, folks got sloppy. Gov. Murphy recently reiterated that all must wear masks outdoors/everywhere. Since March, we cannot go into any business without a face mask; it's the law. When I leave the house I wash my hands, take my keys and place my mask on before I open the door. It doesn't come off until I get back home where I wash my hands again. I dare not touch my face with my bare fingers while I am out and about. I keep hand sanitizer, antiseptic wipes and a spare face mask in my car. Every time I go into a place of business, I use the sanitizer afterwards. We will be wearing masks for the foreseeable future. In New Jersey, our numbers are spiking up. At some point, we'll probably wind up on lock-down again.

You'd be surprised at how fear can help you get used to practically anything. Fear of dying alone without gaining consciousness; fear of a loved one contracting Covid-19 and dying; fear of open grave funerals.

"The virus decides."

The news is filled with happy talk about a new, highly viable vaccine. Folks must remember that developing a good vaccine and getting it to the people on the ground are two very different things. (For one, the vaccine must be stored at minus ninety degrees Fahrenheit. Two: It is dispensed in two doses.) People get sloppy from happy talk, when they need to remain surgically diligent for a virus with the "phenomenal capability and efficiency in spreading from person to person." We watch it happen in real time at the White House.

The folks in the middle west did not believe that Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) was going to be a problem for them; it was just an East coast/West coast thing. Scientists and medical professionals have said all along that it would eventually work its way across the country. There was real concern because rural America lacked the health infrastructure needed to manage the high case counts. Yet even in New York, refrigerator trucks (reefers) had to be brought in to handle the overflow of bodies that the funeral homes were too overwhelmed to handle; the body bags were stacked to the rafters. Crematoriums in New York and New Jersey had to request permission to run burners over the time limit. There were overhead drone videos of workers stacking up wooden caskets in mass graves for the unknown and/or pauper dead.

"We won't be able to move in front of this virus until we respect its power."

Blue Owl

(49,902 posts)
67. Thanks Donald
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 04:48 PM
Nov 2020

It's really his fucking fault -- no other civilized country is getting this out of control...

KentuckyWoman

(6,666 posts)
69. They got exactly what they paid for.
Wed Nov 11, 2020, 12:21 AM
Nov 2020

The governor of SOUTH Dakota was on ABC Sunday trashing Cuomo and laughing away masks and social distancing. My 19 cents says she'll get re-elected too.

Both of these governors don't care one iota if the healthcare system breaks in their state in the name of free dumb.

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