Joe Manchin sucks

[MoonRiver]

On an interview with CNN he stated:

- Not in favor of adding justices to SCOTUS
- Not in favor of ending the filibuster
- Not in favor of giving DC and Puerto Rico statehood (although he's open to hearing arguments about that).

[634-5789]

1. Dem in name only

[MoonRiver]

2. Clearly

[Lunabell]

3. Before someone alerts this post

I agree.

[hlthe2b]

5. Yup... This is the price we pay for the extraordinarily BIG TENT. One can only hope that he

is educable and open to seeing the bigger picture.

[JI7]

7. It's not Manchin that is the issue here. It's the voters of West Virginia . He is doing what he

needs to win in that State.

[hlthe2b]

9. Exactly what I was saying. No argument here.

That does not mean he ALWAYS has to pander to his voters.

[Yavin4]

26. The thing is. He has no hope of winning W.Va. ever again.

Even if we don't do the things that he's objecting to.

[Rice4VP]

30. He was just re-elected in 2018. He doesn't have to worry about them for 4 years

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[Celerity]

37. 5 years when he endorsed Collins in 2019, and I am so sick of the arguments some make to excuse him

by saying that 'oh, it will help him with re-election'. He voted FOR impeachment of Trump ffs, that is FAR more damaging with the RWNJ's in WV than ANY micro positive with them he gained from endorsing Collins, something that if he did NOT do would never even have been discussed by ANYONE anywhere.

[JI7]

4. Those are the type of Democrats we get in certain places if we want to win everywhere

[Amishman]

10. THIS! Joe Manchin is great

He not only denies the Pubs a seat for calculating senate control, he denies them the hardcore conservative who would likely otherwise have that seat.

Manchin is going to do shit like this, because this is what it takes for him to keep his seat. When he does, we need to smile and nod and let him do it.

Pressure him too hard, and he could give us the same treatment Jim Jeffords gave the Pubs in 2001.

Wouldn't be the first time a prominent WV democrat did it either. Jim Justice did this in 2017, and just won re-election as WV governor as a Republican.

[Celerity]

13. was it 'great' when he endorsed Susan Collins? That endorsement was used a lot by her campaign

to bolster the big lie that she is a fair, bi-partisan, reasonable Senator, which of course is pure rot.

[brooklynite]

17. "I hate Susan Collins sticking with Mitch McConnell, but a Senator from WV endorsed her, so..."

You really think that had any impact?

[Celerity]

21. yes, I think it helped her push the lie she is bi-partisan at taproot

What do you think of his endorsement of Collins?

If a so-called 'lefty' had endorsed a Rethug they would be flayed alive for the rest of time on here.

[Amishman]

18. if that's what it takes to keep the seat long term

I'm willing to let him do damn near anything if it means one more seat closer to no more turtle running the senate

also the Collins comment was more pandering to his base that he's not a typical democrat, I doubt it meant much of anything to the people of Maine.

[Celerity]

22. disagree, but we are both (I assume) not going to change our stances

cheers

[Turin_C3PO]

20. I truly do understand that.

But there comes a point where his position as a Democrat is useless if he never votes for big ticket items such as ACA expansion, etc. I guess the advantage of having him caucus with Democrats is so we can possibly hold leadership positions in the Senate if we obtain a majority.

[JI7]

28. Manchin voted to Remove Trump after he was Impeached . I don't know why people spend so much time

obsessing over what Red State Democrats say. They have to do these things to win . Manchin supports the ACA , he even supported Gun control.

[Turin_C3PO]

31. That's good to hear.

I’m hoping he’ll listen to reason when considering getting rid of the filibuster and making DC and Puerto Rico states. I don’t expect him to agree to expand the Court.

[Bettie]

6. So, he'll be just fine with Moscow Mitch

ensuring that Biden gets Zero cabinet picks confirmed or even given a hearing or a meeting.

Because make no mistake, that is what that ugly turtle-man hybrid will do if he gets the chance.

[Princess Turandot]

11. Yes. It would have been better for him to hand McConnell 3 grenades before the Georgia runoffs..

...regarding stuff that isn't up for consideration until 2021.

[Celerity]

12. add in his endorsement of Rethug Susan Collins

[brooklynite]

14. Joe Biden:

- Not in favor of adding justices to SCOTUS
- Not in favor of ending the filibuster

[Celerity]

15. in the past yes, BUT he deffo did not rule out either lately, so this is not a fair framing

[Dem2]

16. Shhhh

Don't ruin a good hate-fest.

[Celerity]

24. he can't ruin it with that post as it is no longer true

[Turin_C3PO]

32. But if we do end up with a majority

in the Senate, will Biden be able to get any of his agenda passed if we allow Mitch to constantly filibuster? That’s the question Biden and others need to ask themselves.

[BGBD]

19. Manchin

Voted for impeachment, voted against ACB.

He isn't worried about an election in 4 years. He is saying the things he needs to say to win GA now. He is the antidote to the attack ads they will be running nonstop there.



Tell GA voters we are going to do those things if we get the majority and we lose for sure

You guys need to start thinking a move or two ahead.

[backtoblue]

25. Good point nt

[tavernier]

27. I did wonder if comments

weren’t well placed strategically for the January election in Georgia. Although I think he is more concerned about his seat than anyone else’s. Time will tell.

[Sunsky]

36. I hope you're correct

because his statements gave me a headache this morning.

[Chakaconcarne]

23. Let's see what happens...We just had an election and people are looking for anything to get mad over

As a politician, I might say the same thing and then do quite the opposite when there is less attention on me.

[In It to Win It]

29. Well then, what the fuck is he in favor of?

[Jersey Devil]

33. But he would vote for a Dem Majority Leader

That way the Senate agenda would be set by Schumer who could at least force votes on important issues and appointments.

[haele]

34. However, he has voted pretty consistently with the Dems when it counts for several years.

He says what his constituancy wants to hear, and does what they elected him to do, even when it isn't exactly what they think he should do. WV is an evangelically red state, and he has to explain every Democratic vote he makes in the Senate.

He's stood against McConnell and Trump for the benefit of his state despite what his Trump-loving voting base might prefer.

Haele

[Miguelito Loveless]

35. These are the people that ALWAYS stab us in the back

once they get in a position of leverage.