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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI think that Trump has had a nervous breakdown or some form of a psychotic break.
Hallie Jackson announced that Trump will not be seen today. People in the White House are trying to get him "to accept that he lost the election."
These legal actions are a bizarre charade to make him think they are on his side when in fact they are simply trying to buy time to get him under control. I think the meeting between Barr and McConnell was about what to do now that Trump has become incapacitated.
Leaks are coming from staffers in The White House confirming he can't win. They are messaging the public that they know it is over.
You know me here, I am not a conspiracy theorist. But they are covering something up.
LakeArenal
(28,863 posts)olegramps
(8,200 posts)We desperately need a cure for this disease. I just hope that it doesn't prove to be anymore contagious than Covid-19. At least we seem to be on the brink for the a much hoped for vaccine for Covid.
DanieRains
(4,619 posts)The sign on the back of my car.
TheBlackAdder
(28,242 posts)mucifer
(23,598 posts)exboyfil
(17,865 posts)71 million votes. I think it is higher than a 1/3rd.
mucifer
(23,598 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Maybe you meant ~ 50-70 million people dont vote?
Honestly, if the last 4 years didnt light a fire under those peoples asses, I honestly dont know what will.
Pobeka
(4,999 posts)Approx 234 million eligible voters in in 2018.
But, of the people who did vote (2020), it's darn near 1/2.
Thekaspervote
(32,819 posts)yardwork
(61,748 posts)CrispyQ
(36,552 posts)I want the Con gone so our side can start a discussion about what we are going to do about that third. They aren't going away. And they aren't going to work with us. They loathe us & there's a segment of them that would happily kill us. I honestly believe this. I have two trumpers who are so full of misinformation & hate for the libs, it comes out in almost everything they write or say. Anger seems to be a common trait they all have. I don't know if there is a way to break through to them & yet we can't just write them off like we have been doing.
Americas Next Authoritarian Will Be Much More Competent
Trump was ineffective and easily beaten. A future strongman wont be.
NOVEMBER 6, 2020
Zeynep Tufekci
Contributing writer at The Atlantic
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/11/trump-proved-authoritarians-can-get-elected-america/617023/
snip...
Make no mistake: The attempt to harness Trumpismwithout Trump, but with calculated, refined, and smarter political talentis coming. And it wont be easy to make the next Trumpist a one-term president.
more...
At the moment, the Democratic Party risks celebrating Trumps loss and moving onan acute danger, especially because many of its constituencies, the ones that drove Trumps loss, are understandably tired. A political nap for a few years probably looks appealing to many who opposed Trump, but the real message of this election is not that Trump lost and Democrats triumphed. Its that a weak and untalented politician lost, while the rest of his party has completely entrenched its power over every other branch of government: the perfect setup for a talented right-wing populist to sweep into office in 2024. And make no mistake: Theyre all thinking about it.
LAS14
(13,790 posts)Response to CrispyQ (Reply #32)
Me. This message was self-deleted by its author.
maxsolomon
(33,449 posts)All the worst ideas, but competent and disciplined.
cilla4progress
(24,791 posts)as much as it is a political problem, it's also a psychological and sociological problem.
At the risk of being alarmist...
I intend to put my efforts there.. Just don't know how, yet. I think it's about conversations. Going to have to be small steps - one on ones - but relentless.
Our mistake was thinking we were dealing with rational actors.
Remember Obama derangement syndrome??
SMDH
CrispyQ
(36,552 posts)There are the white bread trumpers who believe that real America is about the white, Christian patriarchy, nationalism. And then there are the Q-anon trumpers who probably believe all that other stuff, too, but also believe shit that is just boggling for anyone in touch with reality. I wouldn't even bother with the second group. And the first group? If they don't call you a socialist or a baby killer in the first three minutes, you might have a chance at a decent discussion.
You are probably right that one-on-one is the best approach, but it would be nice if the Democratic Party had a comprehensive ad campaign, with sharp, concise videos, educating the public about so many of the myths that have taken hold as truth in this country. Myths like the Republican Party is the party of fiscal conservatism. We have data that proves otherwise. Or that they are the party of family values. We have legislation that proves otherwise. Or that they are the party of personal responsibility. We have arrest records that prove otherwise. We need to quash these myths.
Or we come to terms with the fact that we're going to be a divided country & always at conflict with each other.
Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,773 posts)Do they still do those on tv? Would be perfect, dumbed down to the average TrumpDeathCult member's level.
cilla4progress
(24,791 posts)I think Biden/Harris is capable of this. I have so much confidence in them. They complement each other so well. When I think about Biden "meeting his moment," it's more than his empathy. The pacing of his campaign, the whole story of his campaign - can't wait for the book! - so well crafted. I feel like (finally, for once?!) the Ds are being more realistic and have so much skill and smarts, they've got this. Honestly, even more than the sainted Obama: I think he was not realistic, and under-estimated the cravenness of his political opponents in the Senate and House.
At least this is my hope!
*Also: don't forget the craven Rs who know better, but see some advantage in it for them; and don't frankly give a shit if people die or it's immoral. See Rubio, Collins, and friends.
wnylib
(21,731 posts)and the Magas start benefiting from Biden's health and jobs programs, you might see some of the Magas changing their perspective.
CrispyQ
(36,552 posts)policy until they're 26. You are right, we need those two seats!
avebury
(10,953 posts)with the Rethugs when it looks like there might be a 50:50 vote he would enable McConnell to put a halt to Biden being able to do anything. He could become a loose canon.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/sen-joe-manchin-if-democrats-win-senate-i-wont-support-crazy-stuff-like-court-packing
https://thenewamerican.com/democrat-senator-manchin-vows-to-vote-with-gop-on-court-packing/
wnylib
(21,731 posts)our majority leader gets to set the tone and remove the complete power hold that McConnell has now. We might even be able to get some R votes in the Senate from rational conservatives.
leighbythesea2
(1,200 posts)As we all have that trumps ineptitude was actually something we would not see in another authoritarian. They generally are competent.
Fox news will program the same group endlessly, for another.
We at least see it now very clearly , guess. What to undertake to try to mitigate the issue. Thie fairness doctrine reinstated, is a start.
wnylib
(21,731 posts)They react emotionally so strongly that it clouds out rational thought. Help them to sort their feelings from their "ideas." Don't ask, "How can you believe such nonsense?" Instead, ask, "Why are you so angry?" Or, "Who hurt you so much to make you so angry?" Chances are there's a personal story of hardship and feeling that nobody was there for them. Their attitude becomes "Nobody helped me. Why should anyone else get help?"
brush
(53,968 posts)Submariner
(12,513 posts)and does himself in.
robbob
(3,539 posts)Republican voters are so dispirited and disillusioned that we take those 2 Georgia senate seats in a landslide.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)by their state going blue? The right will pummel them with socialist scare ads.
I think we need to zero in better on how to win these people over. Even if it's just 1% of them. They obviously don't care about covid. Or healthcare. What we were focusing on. Economy #1 to them.
Or not. Forget them and just concentrate on GOTV? Thought it was amazing to hear Graham say, "hell if everyone votes we will never win again"
robbob
(3,539 posts)The well of tRump fans has got to be almost dry. And hopefully this petulant refusal to concede will turn rational Republicans off (if there still are any).
wnylib
(21,731 posts)Most would say that Dems had murdered him to get Biden in office, and because Trump was closing in on the child abusers that Qanon warned them about.
The rest would say that maybe it was suicide because Dems treated him so badly for so long.
He would become a martyr and a saint to outdo Saint Ronnie.
lpbk2713
(42,772 posts)And a Diet Coke.
Wounded Bear
(58,765 posts)jaxexpat
(6,868 posts)vapor2
(1,250 posts)Wicked Blue
(5,863 posts)yankeepants
(1,979 posts)The Wizard
(12,552 posts)and a carton of cigarettes
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)Ive read here diagnoses of syphilis, dementia, stroke, psychopathy, Alzheimers, narcissistic personality disorder...god what have I left out?
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)Neither the diagnosis, nor that had any of them !
Wicked Blue
(5,863 posts)wnylib
(21,731 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)Theyre coming to take me away, aha 🎶, theyre coming to take me away 🎶
Skittles
(153,261 posts)I noticed it in my dad at age 13 way before any doctors did.
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)It's a hard lesson to learn the first time, but most of us get it by the time we hit puberty: Don't ask a question if you're not willing to hear "no" as well as "yes." We all want to hear "yes," but we also know that every question can also be met with "no." Donald Trump isn't some spoiled 8-year-old; he's 74 years old, fer crissakes. The 2020 election was a question, and Trump can't hear "no." He's a goddam fucking spoiled immature brat, surrounded by sycophants and enablers who deserve to be pilloried every bit as much as Trump does.
3catwoman3
(24,088 posts)...is a spoiled 8 yr old - more like a 2 yr old.
Apologies to 2 and 8 year olds.
NewJeffCT
(56,829 posts)The late Krauthammer had a PhD in Pscyhology from Harvard and was one of the original Never Trumpers. The quote below is from an article he wrote almost 4 1/2 years back:
Link to tweet
?s=20
3catwoman3
(24,088 posts)What an elegant turn of phrase.
mnhtnbb
(31,412 posts)from Harvard Medical School.
It's a distinction without a difference for some--MD psychiatrist or PhD psychologist-- but a distinct difference in training and usually in practice.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Krauthammer
wnylib
(21,731 posts)with the quote from him about Trump. In fact, I have said the same thing about Trump, minus the line about a cocoon of solipsism. And I am not a psychiatrist.
NewJeffCT
(56,829 posts)I've judged most Trump actions with that in mind and Trump makes sense in that regards - he thinks the world ends at his fingertips. If he can't see it or hear it, it doesn't happen.
Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)That happen to all of us and that we all take for granted--like you didn't get the job, or your car died, or your father-in-law had to go in a nursing home and now your mother-in-law is moving in. Stuff that truly sucks, but you HAVE to take it anyway.
Unless you're Trump, who has been pampered and shielded from consequences his entire life.
honest.abe
(8,688 posts)I guess that was just more nonsense or maybe he really is incapacitated. Please let it be so!!
Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,773 posts)Someone posted the poster here.
PJMcK
(22,065 posts)Trump has been a case study for practically half of the psychologist's guide, the DSM-5.
If they say that Trump won't be seen today, you can bet your rent money that he's throwing tantrums and acting out. They can't let the world see Trump as he really is.
2naSalit
(86,897 posts)He's such a hot, melty mess that he can't do his hair. He does it himself, so if he can't get it together with the orange paint and hairspray, there's a problem. Plus he has nothing but venom to discharge so it's best that he not be in the public view, if his peeps could see that, things might change real quick for his image.
Plus, they know they are never going to have the chance to complete their careers as they are all liable for the myriad crimes committed in which they took part. Desperate times for desperate criminals.
Phoenix61
(17,023 posts)Narcissist dont cope well with failure. Their biggest fear is to be publicly found wanting. To see so many celebrating his loss could very well be too much. If the people around him are telling him to accept the loss he will see that as proof they are disloyal to him. Thats why he is firing everyone.
BComplex
(8,082 posts)mental case in the white house.
hamsterjill
(15,224 posts)Im sorry, but Ive had four years of people looking out for their own interest rather than putting country first. There have been exceptions, of course.
But if something is happening such as you allege - and very well may be correct about - it is damn time that someone speak up and put national interests above petty partisan crap. So these staffers need to come forward.
exboyfil
(17,865 posts)What the hell is he doing in Florida? He should be monitoring this situation to the best of his limited ability.
hamsterjill
(15,224 posts)Pretty strange. Is he packing?
exboyfil
(17,865 posts)I don't understand it unless he is sick.
hamsterjill
(15,224 posts)Wonder if he and mother have COVID?
stevesinpa
(143 posts)is also probably in beginning stages for running to disgrace our White House in 2024
lanlady
(7,136 posts)to remain in DC. Washington Post is reporting.
monmouth4
(9,711 posts)hamsterjill
(15,224 posts)Sure, sure.
(Sarcasm not directed at you but rather at the situation).
AleksS
(1,665 posts)Planning for 2024. Hes checked out and on vacation.
Remember, theyre republicans. Its not about governing, or the country, or helping people. Its about greed, an ego trip, owning the libs, making a quick buck, etc. With the election over and him not winning, he figures his work is done. I expect no more from him than from Trump. Also dont forget, he was a right wing radio jock, a la Limbaugh, before governor and vp. He isnt in it to govern, so now that he doesnt see a reason that he has to, why would he?
58Sunliner
(4,424 posts)brush
(53,968 posts)That is easily done anonymously. It he's really having a psychotic break and no one is willing to do it just shows the thrall he still has over them.
Apparently he's weeded out all who have a sense of duty to the country and not him.
Jim__
(14,092 posts)Response to Jim__ (Reply #15)
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Timewas
(2,199 posts)He maybe is setting up an insanity defense....
peggysue2
(10,848 posts)If they think this 'leaking' message is going to remove the stink, they're as deranged as their Boss.
None of these jokers should ever have another job in government. They all blew it when they put political expediency before country.
Treason weasels, every single one!
olegramps
(8,200 posts)Piasladic
(1,160 posts)HipChick
(25,485 posts)as long as he hauls his fat arse out of there..
It is what it is..
malaise
(269,254 posts)They could put him in a strait jacket and drag him out of the WH RFN!
AmericanCanuck
(1,102 posts)because we always see failure as an option.
For a narcissist who thinks he will always be successful it is unbearable to face a loss that no one can fix.
Trump was hoisted on his own petard of braggadocio.
Laffy Kat
(16,391 posts)LuckyCharms
(17,469 posts)started acting like a human being.
rownesheck
(2,343 posts)he's attempting suicide by McDonald's.
LAS14
(13,790 posts)LAS14
(13,790 posts)yardwork
(61,748 posts)That is bizarre, even for Trump.
Stinky The Clown
(67,838 posts)While I trust Barr and McConnell even less than as far as I can throw them, their statements on things have been fairly noncommittal. Barr made no call to do X or Y. He simply said prosecutors can investigate where there are credible reports. Think about that. That is ALWAYS the case. For Democratic or Republican DOJs. McConnell simply said Trump is within his rights to do what he's doing. McConnell himself didn't say he or the Senate would do anything.
In hindsight, both of them made statements to appease the Shithouse Rat in our Whitehouse and not much more than that.
LAS14
(13,790 posts)malaise
(269,254 posts)https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/mystery-as-white-house-lawn-dug-up-less-than-a-week-after-election/ar-BB1aRZAI
Mystery surrounds the reason why the North Lawn at the White House has been dug up less than a week after the election.
A digger was seen at the world-famous address after a large portion of grass was removed from the garden on Monday. Newsweek has contacted the White House for a comment about the North Lawn.
The North Lawn, which is also known as the front lawn because of its location on Pennsylvania Avenue, is often seen on television when dignitaries arrive to meet the president.
CNN reporter Betsy Klein shared a picture of the site on Twitter and wrote: "Sometime between 5.30 a.m. and now the White House North Lawn was dug up."
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Lots more at link
steve2470
(37,457 posts)I can see Trump bellowing at some hapless staffer to "DIG UP THAT GODDAMN LAWN, I ALWAYS HATED IT" and the staffer hops to. Then Hope Hicks intervenes and gets it shut down.
malaise
(269,254 posts)but that lunatic is more than capable of giving that order
flibbitygiblets
(7,220 posts)malaise
(269,254 posts)scarletwoman
(31,893 posts)malaise
(269,254 posts)scarletwoman
(31,893 posts)malaise
(269,254 posts)and those who dare to resign
eShirl
(18,506 posts)malaise
(269,254 posts)Seen
FakeNoose
(32,854 posts)They must realize that. Just what and who are they trying to protect anyway? They work for us - the US citizens - and we taxpayers pay their salaries.
Time to leave the bubble kids. The game is over and you lost.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)He's pitching giant temper tantrums and crying and soiling his diaper. Everyone is trying to soothe the colicky baby. The baby is running away from them in his giant poopy diaper. Sadly for us, this big spoiled 74 year old BABY is our President, still, until January 20. Even Pence would be better.
Hopefully soon, Jared or Ivanka or Hope Hicks will catch the poopy baby and take it to Mar-a-Lago.
If he had had a true psychotic break (seeing hallucinations, spouting delusional nonsense aside from the election stuff, acting super bizaare, etc) we would have heard by now. This White House has a million leakers.
kimbutgar
(21,240 posts)He is so fragile now after losing and realizing his deeds will be exposed once hes out the White House I wouldnt be surprised he had another nervous breakdown.
Javaman
(62,534 posts)someone wouldn't let him win at tetherball? LOL
the mental fragility of a porcelain doll.
kimbutgar
(21,240 posts)Kurt Eichenwald wrote about it and was threatened and I remember reading Ivana saying this in a article during the time. He disappeared for a period of time during this period when he went though one of his business failure bankruptcies.
"Donald Trump was institutionalized in a mental hospital for a nervous breakdown in 1990, according to a tweet posted this evening and then deleted by Newsweek writer Kurt Eichenwald. He stated his belief that Trump is refusing to release anything about his medical records or history for fear that it could lead to this particular detail being uncovered from his past.
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/52p1c2/newsweek_mag_writer_suggests_trump_was/
And this vanity fair article ( sorry under lock) suggests he was institutionalized
https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-the-1990s-became-donald-trumps-personal-crucible-1469035278
But that said an article came out today saying if you had Covid if you suffer later from mental illness.
Also I would be ok if he is sedated and stays in his room because he is catatonic from fear of the consequences after losing the election and being out in January and no longer protected legally.
Javaman
(62,534 posts)I think it's a very real possibility that he has lost it.
infullview
(982 posts)Thunderbeast
(3,426 posts)This is the reason there is a 25th Ammendment.
Totally Tunsie
(10,885 posts)It's up to Pencie and at least 13 other members of Chump's Cabinet and high officials. That's most likely not going to happen.
If "we" could do it, it probably would have already been tried.
japple
(9,847 posts)others together for the purposes of invoking the 25th.
Totally Tunsie
(10,885 posts)PCIntern
(25,623 posts)It was obvious.
Orrex
(63,260 posts)Shouldve done it decades ago. It would be the first honorable act of his adult life.
Javaman
(62,534 posts)he might just eat a bullet.
I just read this great article a few weeks about the myth that psychopaths don't kill themselves.
they do and usually it's in a very messy way.
it's like marking their territory, "I was here! look at them mess I made, now you clean it up!"
scary shit.
TexasBushwhacker
(20,232 posts)There was a hedge fund guy that did that - Charles Murphy. Checked himself into a fancy Manhattan hotel and took a dive from the 24th floor. He had a pretty, young second wife and 4 kids.
Orrex
(63,260 posts)Mission accomplished!
Illumination
(2,458 posts)Hotler
(11,473 posts)We hear about the fits of anger and melt downs but never any proof. We need some sweet video footage of the event.
dsharp88
(487 posts)I'd pay to see it happen in real time.
Happy Hoosier
(7,454 posts)You usually can't keep the asshole away from the lights and cameras.
He's definitely in a bad place. Just pack him up on AF1, send him to Merde-lago and let's get on with it.
brooklynite
(94,911 posts)Catherine Vincent
(34,491 posts)Put one of those straitjackets on him and force him to concede.
barbtries
(28,817 posts)of course he's been pretty deranged for some time so this was a small leap.
i always think about what a nightmare it must be for the people around him as he rages incessantly.
is he still tweeting?
marieo1
(1,402 posts)I know we have some real scoundrels in the world but right now, I think DJT is the most hated man in the world.
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MrModerate
(9,753 posts)But I think he'll implode before then.
I also don't think the SCOTUS would touch any of the current Trump cases with a 10-foot-pole.
BobTheSubgenius
(11,573 posts)He seems to be someone quite prone to those afflictions.
LaMouffette
(2,042 posts)in case a straitjacket comes into play?
Raven123
(4,919 posts)Roc2020
(1,619 posts)chasing him and anyone he ever cared about for the rest of his life. It would be a surprise if he didn't snap.
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Marthe48
(17,087 posts)Saw this today in LBN: https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142625071
impeached traitor always wants what someone else has.
kairos12
(12,892 posts)Chakaconcarne
(2,478 posts)They don't want Biden's business in there until they can clean house....
They want to get rid of all intelligence heads so they can clean house and cover tracks and maybe leave a few landmines to attach to Biden's presidency...
Every Republican knows this and they are worried they will get caught up in it, so all they can do is keep quiet and cross their fingers.
I don't know how else you can explain this....
Their problem is that this all probably runs real deep and they are disorganized and scrambling... I think that is why the Trump family is in such a desperate panic.
I think this is all a charade.
OAITW r.2.0
(24,737 posts)The Organized Crime Party has to do a massive data sterilization to assure there are no criminal smoking guns to be found.
bucolic_frolic
(43,443 posts)He's like a power-hungry demented delusional CEO that the Board of Directors wants to "kick upstairs" - honorary, powerless title.
Barr being seen visiting McConnell's office is out of the ordinary. Could be 25A time? What do we do "if"? Incapacitated? How about deranged?
Or was it about the election litigation?
Captain Zero
(6,853 posts)Somethings up
bucolic_frolic
(43,443 posts)Maybe Trump is seeking foreign allies in his election theft? Or inviting them to stay awhile?
Universal Karma
(35 posts)Keep up with this. Its time we order truck loads and deliver it to the white house.
IronLionZion
(45,615 posts)SayItLoud
(1,702 posts)Until the electoral college votes are in tRUMP should not concede. I don't trust these scumbags. Something could be up.
WyattKansas
(1,648 posts)With only a single page in each letter with a single word in big bold font:
LOSER!
Vinca
(50,323 posts)The guy has acted batshit crazy for his entire time in office. I fully expect he'll be dragged kicking and screaming from the White House on January 20.
Captain Zero
(6,853 posts)Saying 'they' are hoping to get his emotional state to where he can accept that he lost. I thought to myself "hhmmmm". He might be incapacitated by this.
Paladin
(28,281 posts)I don't suppose we could be that lucky.....
Caliman73
(11,760 posts)If he had a psychotic episode, then he needs to be sidelined. People need to stop coddling his stupid ass and just tell him it is over and he lost and he is making himself look like a bigger fool (if that is possible).
Trump has never been in a situation that he couldn't cheat his way, buy his way, or run his way out of. He is truly trapped.
He needs to be prevented from causing damage. His feelings, state of mind, and health are irrelevant.
TexasBushwhacker
(20,232 posts)let Pence finish out his term.
Blue Owl
(50,547 posts)Progressive dog
(6,924 posts)This time declaring bankruptcy won't help. The staffers are pretending to be concerned.
Cha
(297,935 posts)MyMission
(1,855 posts)He was already unhinged and unstable.
Maru Kitteh
(28,344 posts)it's an entirely predictable, indeed predicted consequence of his astoundingly completely disordered personality.
klook
(12,174 posts)Now is the time to give him the WRONG nuclear codes.