Re: Polling; The media needs to stop calling them "shy Trump voters" they're "lie Trump voters."

[joshcryer]

Full stop. They're fucking liars. 14% of them. All liars. Just like their liar in chief. And they think they're clever being liars. They actually fucked up by lying so much, because we will never trust a poll again and will be sure to fight harder and harder.

[Polybius]

1. I always knew they were lying just by the size of his crowds and enthusiasm

I didn't want to say anything here about it, because I didn't wanna start a flame war.

[stillcool]

5. crowds only matter when they're Republicans..

its a shame Biden didn't have covid-fests. We could count crowd size rather than votes

[dawg]

2. The word is "ashamed".

They are ashamed Trump voters.

[Statistical]

3. No they are not ashamed. I wish they were ashamed but trust me they are not.

At one point they were ashamed racist Obama haters but today they are very much proud and in the open.

[Rebl2]

4. No they

aren’t ashamed, they are just liars like dear leader.

[joshcryer]

7. They aren't ashamed.

[Efilroft Sul]

6. Agreed. Many of them probably accuse Muslims of taqiyya.

It's the concept that any Muslim can lie to non-Muslims if it means advancing some hypothetical Islamic global conquest.

But it's not the Muslims who are liars now, isn't it?

[joshcryer]

10. They're liars through and through. Look at all the "party switching" cases:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_party_switchers_in_the_United_States

I wanted to start my own topic over this specific thing because if you look at all the party switching candidates in the US, 90% of them are GOPers switching from Democratic to Republican. They run semi conservative Democrats, get the Democrats support, then switch parties after the fact. They are liars. They are thieves. They are evil.

[Efilroft Sul]

11. No doubt. Good link, there.

[Azathoth]

8. Some of them are liars. Others refuse to talk to "lamestream media" pollsters

The right-wing has been systemically removing itself from the rest of society: both culturally and in terms of media consumption. They've reached the point now where they exist in a completely alternate reality epistemological bubble.

It's likely that a large subset of these people will deliberately refuse even to speak to non-right wing organizations, and a few more will actively attempt to sabotage those organizations.

[joshcryer]

9. Refusing to talk is fine.

They're not going to count that person. Because they didn't want to be surveyed.

They are lying. They lie. They are purposefully lying so the pollsters fucking get it wrong.

Refusing to talk isn't "shy" it's... refusing to talk. It has no bearing on anything.

[LAS14]

14. Well stated!! nt

[uponit7771]

12. That doesn't explain the down ballot misses, people lets face it; no polling in the US is ever going

... to be reliable unless there's a deep dive on the myriad of misses this past election.

No other country puts up with scientific polling being that off for that long tilted towards one party.

[LAS14]

13. That's for sure what I think. They're so hostile to our norms and institutions that...

... they want to screw the polling organizations. I don't know what we can do about it.