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Nevilledog

(51,092 posts)
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 03:32 PM Nov 2020

Upcoming argument: the presidential votes should not be certified as the election is "under audit"



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ANTICIPATE Trump-Barr upcoming argument: the presidential votes should not be certified as the election is "under audit" given open DOJ voting investigations, to which Barr opened floodgates yesterday.
12:29 PM · Nov 10, 2020
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Upcoming argument: the presidential votes should not be certified as the election is "under audit" (Original Post) Nevilledog Nov 2020 OP
So, if is not certified by January 20th Mme. Defarge Nov 2020 #1
Yes Lochloosa Nov 2020 #3
That is correct. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is then in charge. nattyice Nov 2020 #4
Yeah, I don't think they'll do that. yardwork Nov 2020 #7
Oops! Trailrider1951 Nov 2020 #19
Not necessarily. It could be Pompeo nt FBaggins Nov 2020 #22
Yes. Nancy Pelosi would be president. NYC Liberal Nov 2020 #5
Nope, because their goal is to get legislatures to pick Trump electors... regnaD kciN Nov 2020 #8
That's what they want to do Turin_C3PO Nov 2020 #9
STOP saying that! You keep saying it when PA majority leader has said they will not overrule Thekaspervote Nov 2020 #11
Interesting, that conflicts with this thread: nattyice Nov 2020 #23
Just STOP, that is not going to happen crimycarny Nov 2020 #13
Thank you..sick of the conspiracies ppl are spreading here .. Thekaspervote Nov 2020 #16
Well you can write off PA as doing that since their majority leader already said NYC Liberal Nov 2020 #21
What he means is that states can't "certify" the results by December 8... regnaD kciN Nov 2020 #6
SCOTUS made it very clear in their recent rulings that the state legislators have the authority Thekaspervote Nov 2020 #15
And it will be under audit for the next 4 years. CatMor Nov 2020 #2
It beat out "Some people say these states' Secretaries of State are subject to rzemanfl Nov 2020 #10
Under 'audit' doesn't stop the process I would expect. Just as the feeling that if your taxes SWBTATTReg Nov 2020 #12
"Under audit" Like tRump's income taxes were "under audit"?? n/t retread Nov 2020 #14
It is up to the states, not you, Mr. Barr. GoCubsGo Nov 2020 #17
I don't think "audit" will stop the process because .... Iliyah Nov 2020 #18
DOJ and Trump are executing a simple plan to steal the election. skip fox Nov 2020 #20

yardwork

(61,599 posts)
7. Yeah, I don't think they'll do that.
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 03:36 PM
Nov 2020

These are empty threats designed to win the senatorial run-off elections in SC.

NYC Liberal

(20,135 posts)
5. Yes. Nancy Pelosi would be president.
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 03:35 PM
Nov 2020

It's all moot anyway. The votes will be certified and Trump will be out on his ass.

regnaD kciN

(26,044 posts)
8. Nope, because their goal is to get legislatures to pick Trump electors...
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 03:38 PM
Nov 2020

...because it will be "impossible" to tell the results of the vote. Those electors vote on December 14th, and more than 270 will pick Trump. He wins a second term, and is sworn in on January 20. Pelosi doesn't get anywhere near the presidency.



Turin_C3PO

(13,975 posts)
9. That's what they want to do
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 03:43 PM
Nov 2020

but it won't happen. President-elect Biden will take office on Jan. 21st, 2021.

Thekaspervote

(32,762 posts)
11. STOP saying that! You keep saying it when PA majority leader has said they will not overrule
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 03:49 PM
Nov 2020

The will of the the popular vote..STOP!!

It isn’t going to happen and you saying it is pure conspiracy

https://whyy.org/articles/as-legal-challenges-fizzle-pa-gop-reaffirms-it-will-not-seek-to-override-popular-vote/

crimycarny

(1,351 posts)
13. Just STOP, that is not going to happen
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 03:51 PM
Nov 2020

And not because the GOP has any decency, but because even the GOP knows that overturning the will of the people will create such an apocalyptic response as to destroy the country. The stock market would crash to depths we haven’t seen before. Riots and chaos in the streets, etc.

And what’s to stop electors in red states voting for Biden? If one state can do it, they all can.

Finally, ballots include more than just Presidential candidates. Invaliding votes for the President means invaliding votes for local races, etc.

Not going to happen so let’s stop adding to everyone’s anxiety with doomsday predictions.

NYC Liberal

(20,135 posts)
21. Well you can write off PA as doing that since their majority leader already said
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 04:52 PM
Nov 2020

it's not going to happen there.

regnaD kciN

(26,044 posts)
6. What he means is that states can't "certify" the results by December 8...
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 03:36 PM
Nov 2020

...so Republican state legislatures will have "no choice" but to step in and appoint slates of Trump electors, giving him a second term. Perfectly constitutional.


Thekaspervote

(32,762 posts)
15. SCOTUS made it very clear in their recent rulings that the state legislators have the authority
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 03:56 PM
Nov 2020

Over their elections and election laws.

The US DOJ has no say in how the elections are run, or how electors are chosen.

You seriously think that SCOTUS, conservative as they are is going to overrule the will of the ppl in an election where there was minimal or no fraud..seriously??!!

rzemanfl

(29,557 posts)
10. It beat out "Some people say these states' Secretaries of State are subject to
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 03:49 PM
Nov 2020

Nondisclosure Agreements" when the attorneys did a voice vote on which absurd argument to use.

SWBTATTReg

(22,114 posts)
12. Under 'audit' doesn't stop the process I would expect. Just as the feeling that if your taxes
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 03:49 PM
Nov 2020

are under audit, it's doesn't mean that you can't reveal or show your tax returns until the audit is done. This rationale is BS and always has been. The only reason trump doesn't want to reveal his tax returns is (1) understated income/not declared all income (2) way overstated deductions (3) other nefarious tricks on his returns. There have been 'doj' investigations I would expect forever but I don't think they stop in any way any further processes.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
18. I don't think "audit" will stop the process because ....
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 04:04 PM
Nov 2020

politician winners would be put on hold as well since the ballot for each state had all vote listings.

The USA would stop and put in limbo.

skip fox

(19,357 posts)
20. DOJ and Trump are executing a simple plan to steal the election.
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 04:08 PM
Nov 2020
Step 1. Barr instructs DOJ to pursue issues of voting irregularities and possible fraud prior to state certification.

Step 2. The DOJ argues that key states counts cannot be certified because they remain under investigation. They should be listed as “under audit.”

Step 3. (I don’t know what goes here. It just seems as though there will be another major step based on occurrences/objections at the time.)

Step 4. Republican state legislators, claim that due to credible charges of fraud and irregularities, it’s their constitutional duty to certify a different slate of electors even though their Secretaries of State have certified the slate chosen by voters.

Step 5.
Congress accepts the bogus slate as reflecting that state’s election outcome.

if not:

Step 6. It gets appealed to the Supreme Court who then rules which which slates' electors Congress must accept.
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