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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAlaska, one of the most reliably Republican state in our union is also THE most Socialist.
Alaska has a Republican governor and two Republican senators. It's home to Sarah Palin. They reliably vote Republican in presidential elections.
YET....Alaska is THE most SOCIALIST state in our union, by far.
As of 2019, the fund was worth approximately $64 billion that has been funded by oil revenues and has paid out an average of approximately $1,600 annually per resident (adjusted to 2019 dollars).[5] The main use for the fund's revenue has been to payout the Permanent Fund Dividend (PFD), which many authors portray as the only example of a Basic Income in practice.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska_Permanent_Fund
Socialism for me not for thee.
And unlike all of the things Republicans scream about, the Permanent Fund IS socialism. The money is collected by the state and held by a corporation owned by the state, then redistributed to everyone, regardless of income. Pure socialism!
Alaska also has a TON of public land, owned either by the national park service or other public entities, as well as a huge military presence. Its full of people employed by the government they supposedly hate.
In fact, I dont think many people could survive in Alaska without a large government presence. Just another example of Republican hypocrisy.
My Pet Orangutan
(9,245 posts)it is textbook social democracy.
mtnsnake
(22,236 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)It's important to realize that the means of production is capitalist energy corporations. They pay the government for the right to extract and sell, and the government redistributes some of that income to residents of AK.
Btw, as U.S. citizens we all "own" many national resources that are leased and otherwise capitalized to business to provide a secondary source of income (after taxes) for our nation. This isn't socialism either. The difference between this and AK's APF is that none of this income is paid to citizens directly and specifically as a share of the profits from allowing logging, grazing, etc., on our lands.
Maybe we should arrange for some of that to happen, but if we do, like AK's program, it will be part of a distribution of wealth in a capitalism-based system, not socialism.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)under capitalism, proving it's extremely possible. That's just one of many possible methods.
What's CRITICAL for those who want a better share to know is that capitalism produces FAR MORE WEALTH to share around than the weak economic engine of socialism ever could. Further, that the costs of sustainable industry are the same for both capitalism and socialism, only the amounts of wealth produced very different.
Democrats in the 1930s used various methods to create broad prosperity and an ever-growing middle class by sharing the profits of capitalism, their "New Deal." Fifty and sixty years later voters were suckered into obligingly helping or just allowing their efforts to be dismantled, starting in 1980. So we have to do it all over again.
But another CRITICAL BUT REALLY GOOD piece of information for people who want a bigger share is that, thanks to greatly increased production technology, our nation also already has far, far, far more wealth to redistribute than in 1980. It's more than quadrupled and far more than we need to retool to sustainability and still be widely prosperous. That new wealth is where the new centimillionaire and billionaire classes we have to legislate out of existence came from. (Note Pelosi on that below.)
FakeNoose
(32,634 posts)Please keep reminding DU - these are very important distinctions.
Alaska has oil wealth up the wazoo, but very little commerce and almost no manufacturing base. Their tax base is tiny compared to the lower 48 states. The income redistribution program works well in Alaska because of the relatively small population it needs to support, and the absence of ultra-wealthy one-per-centers who constantly scheme to steal it.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)A number of states are wealthier or as wealthy per capita, and of course our nation is by far the wealthiest on the planet.
BainsBane
(53,032 posts)particularly when nothing they talk about is remotely socialist. What purpose do you think it serves other than to give the GOP ammunition?
If you want to know what socialism is, read Marx. The post office is not socialist. Public highways are not socialist. And the mechanism you talk about is not socialist.
Socialism is when workers control the means of production, when capital no longer exploits (makes profit from) workers. From each according to their ability to each according to their needs.
and those who choose to identify themselves as Democratic Socialists don't realize their descriptor is a contradiction in terms, an oxymoron.
BainsBane
(53,032 posts)is closer to what they are, and social democrats tend to be centrist parties.
Spazito
(50,327 posts)Well said.
Yavin4
(35,438 posts)That is indeed Socialism, or at the very least, one form of Socialism.
BainsBane
(53,032 posts)as long as the larger economy remains capitalism, the system is not socialist.
Share holders own corporations. Does that make them socialist?
According to this logic, socialism means nothing--absolutely nothing. The faux leftist bastardization of the word does great harm to the concept of socialism.
If you want socialism, you have to overthrow capitalism. MARX, MARX, MARX.
Jspur
(578 posts)because the Democrats don't agree with their oppressive religious views. That's why socialist ideas can be very popular as long as it's not coming from a Democrat.