Gen. McCaffrey: "Believe your eyes"..."We are watching a slow moving Trump coup"

[Maven]

Link to tweet

The crisis at the top of the Pentagon is just beginning - (DANGER. We are watching a slow moving Trump coup to defy the Biden election and refuse to leave office by diktat. Believe your eyes. This will be a test of our institutions.)

[FarPoint]

1. I sense he is spot on with this assessment.

I think past Generals etc will be speaking up...I hope we can stop it!

[Mike 03]

2. "Believe your eyes."

[panader0]

3. We are watching a slow moving "attempt" at a coup. It will not be successful. By a long shot.

[wryter2000]

9. Agreed

Still the warning is a good thing.

IMHO, the Supreme Court is not going to go along with a coup. It doesn't even sound as if they're going to ditch the ACA. Maybe they'd get Thomas's vote and Alito's, but that would be about it. Plus, stealing one state won't win it for them.

[treestar]

44. The very job of SCOTUS justice

would be ruined by a coup. The rule of law is in their hands. Living under a dictator is not in their interests.

[EndlessWire]

47. I disagree.

I don't mean to upset you or disrespect your opinion, but why do you think the Kegger decided to say this at this time? Why is he inserting his opinion in a national dialogue? It is entirely improper.

Trump will get enough lies in front of the SC for them to consider reversing the election. And when his guys do, there will be nothing for us to do but to fight. We'll never know the whole truth. And, Trump can use their decision to issue orders to the military. WE WILL BE FUCKED.

We are sitting here watching. We exercised our ace in the hole, OUR VOTE, and there will be nothing left for us to do but to fight. There will be no way to wiggle out of it. We will accept Trump's ruling family, like NK, or we will have to fight.

I used to vote for the person who I thought was the best person for the position. I voted across party lines, eventually leaving the Dems to become "unstated." I will never vote for another Repub as long as I breathe. I don't want them around me, because I see them now as traitors, and evil.

I used to believe in the institutions we have, until Trump showed me how propaganda works, how easy it is to simply defy the rules if you have power and money. (I don't have any of that, just the fading power of my vote...) Now I trust no one, and examine every blessed word out of their mouths for the actions that say, they spoke truly. I look at their history, what their actions were, what they really mean, what their agendas are.

The Kegger owes Trump. Trump will collect. This guy has no reason to speak up and say, "Hey, I'll save ACA." He just doesn't. He's probably the guy tapped to calm the masses down. Worried about your health care in the middle of a pandemic? Don't worry, Trump's SC will save you!

Well, bullshit! Don't trust any of them! Trump wants his issues in front of them so he can overthrow the election. So, he's pussyfooting the matter up the chain, until it reaches Kegger and his wild, crazy opinions. WE ARE IN TROUBLE.

And, a lot of people want to say we are hysterical, fearmongering, and nuts. But, we are not.

Stock up, people. Do what you can. People of Joergia, don't be like KENTUCKY. Vote the Repubs out! You will be better off under Biden than the Trump family!

Trump admires dictators. He LOVES Kim of NK. Ask yourself, do you want to starve under Trump, or win under Biden? You want to live in fear of Trump and what he might do, or do you want to solve the pandemic and economy problems, and prosper under Biden?

Nothing is the same as it used to be. Keep your eyes and ears open.

[treestar]

80. They can't "reverse the election"

They have no jurisdiction. In 2000 they had a question about how a state held its elections.

That came down to one state.

They have nothing this time and they'd need something on several states.

[EndlessWire]

87. Watch carefully. n/t

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

108. I hope you're ultimate fear fails to materialize,

but I'm not feeling as confident as many. The failure of this coup attempt depends on Trump or a number of powerful Rs doing the right thing. How often have we heard the empty reassurance that Trump can't do a thing because of some law or other restraint only to see that prohibited action be carried out?

[wnylib]

66. Don't forget Covid Amy's vote on the court.

[wryter2000]

78. She's one

My hope would be in Roberts and Kavanaugh (I hate saying that about a rapist.). I wouldn't be surprised if we got more than two.

This is not something that would benefit conservatives or moneyed interests as a whole. It would be giving up much of their own power to install a dictator.

[wnylib]

83. Your second paragraph explains, too, why

some conservatives and Republicans (and former Republicans who left the party over Trump) have come out publicly against him. For all their desire to maintain Republican political power, they realize that a Trumpian dictatorship is not in their best interests. Too bad it took them so long to wake up.

[BobTheSubgenius]

97. There is another possible angle.

Perhaps not all of the occupants of that evil clown car want to go down in history as seditious opponents of election law (as well as numerous others) and the holiest-of-holies, America's free elections.

That's what I'm hoping for, anyway. Blunting their incredible avarice and lust for power isn't going to happen.

[LymphocyteLover]

40. probably not but we can't take our attention off this

[Maeve]

41. Thank you--they can try, but a coup is harder than it looks

Especially for a gang that gave Rudy the Ghoul any power (or voice)

[COL Mustard]

118. He'd Just End Up With His Hands In His Pants

Anytime an attractive woman walked by.

Ugh. I need a shower now!!!

[DallasNE]

61. Agree

This is just the civilian branch of the DOD. The uniform branch would never go along with this, even if it means they are insubordinate to civilian control. They would simply not recognize the civilians giving the orders since none have been confirmed by the Senate.

[olegramps]

119. Do to his knowledge and experience it is difficult to reject it out of hand.

I think you are right, but this is not a normal person that we are dealing with. He has far more in common with Hitler and Stalin than anyone who has been in this position of power during at least my lifetime. It is truly very frightening that he has such massive support of over 70 million of our fellow citizens.

[Mr.Bill]

4. They made one huge mistake.

They sold us 300 million guns.

[NewsCenter28]

5. Kick and rec

This is not some yahoo. He's a senior analyst for NBC News who I've seen beside Tom Brokaw, Andrea Mitchell and Brian Williams countless times.

[NewsCenter28]

7. Mr. President-elect?

[Bernardo de La Paz]

6. The distribution of guns is uneven

When discussing the possibility of a new kind of civil war they crow about how they expect to mow down rows of hungry commies.

[Mr.Bill]

12. You would be surprised.

I have lived in California for almost 30 years, almost everyone I know is liberal and every one of them owns one or more guns.

[Vdizzle]

15. Yep!

Myself and my friends are all very left. We all have multiple guns locked away safely in safes from our kids.

[TallMike]

43. Yup...

Shot off a box or two of various caliber starting the minute Fox news called it... Central sierra's here. Being a Lib-Tard isn't easy around here. However, picking up all the discarded Trump signs along the roads is fun. Bon Fire pics coming soon if we ever get any rain...

[BigOleDummy]

24. I'm as liberal as they come

more to the left than some in here for sure. I can shoot and shoot very well thank you. I'm old but I can still see too.

[GetRidOfThem]

77. I am very liberal too...

...and have my set of NRA marksman medals. Learned to shoot when I was five.

don't own a gun, don't want one... (just a pellet rifle that will shoot through plywood...)

[diverdownjt]

110. Can't shoot....

But I can drive the get away car!

[GetRidOfThem]

133. good reply!!!!

[catbyte]

62. I wouldn't be so sure about that. At least not here in Michigan. Or in my house, actually.

I'm not a gun nut, but my dad was a cop for 30 years. He taught me to shoot when I was 8 years old and as an only child, I inherited all of his firearms. And I know how to use them if I have to. Every liberal I know in Michigan save one has at least one.

[roamer65]

34. ...and have not limited ammunition purchases.

[NickB79]

58. After the last 4 years, I'm amazed more of us aren't armed to the teeth

I've always owned guns, and multiple liberal friends of mine have come to me asking for advice on firearms the last few years.

[ancianita]

8. He'll have to pull off something before governor certifications roll in. Then the DoD can

refuse any command.

Governors will fulfill their official certification duties to The People by their certification dates.

The WH occupant can go to courts but will lose because courts constitutionally uphold the sovereignty of governors and The People over one chief executive.

What I'm thinking is that governors are the firewall for certification and ensuring the Electoral College honors the current 290 that Biden holds.

This won't have to go to a House count.

That would ONLY happen if the electoral count were a tie.

Then the DoD can tell him to hit the door and refuse any command.

[LiberalLovinLug]

10. Its insane the amount of time in the "transition" period.

Why?
I don't think any other democracy has that long of a transition. So much room for shenagegins.

[Sherman A1]

31. It used to be much longer

FDR wasn't sworn in until Spring. When the Constitution was written the world moved at about 4mph.

[erronis]

32. I'm guessing because it took a long time on horseback to get from "out there" to DC.

And possibly multiple times.

I agree that the switchover should be able to be done much more quickly. But the incoming administration also needs time to absorb the documents of state.

[Captain Zero]

94. Because look where we are today.

It would be easier for him to just stay today. If this was Inauguration day.

[Loge23]

11. This settles one thing:

Apparently, the CIA, FBI, or any other governmental agency DID NOT participate in the assassination of JFK.
If they had, the POS holed up in our WH would have been gone by now.

[LuvNewcastle]

56. There's a good chance that the JFK assassination

was done by a cooperative effort between the CIA and the Mafia. JFK pissed them both off, and Carlos Marcello, mob boss of New Orleans, used to brag that he'd had it done. The CIA and Mafia have been in cahoots for a long time. They were both involved in Cuba and had a grudge against Kennedy for losing Cuba to Castro. A lot of Cubans in America still blame the Democratic Party for the fall of Cuba to the communists.

Anyway, there is a lot of circumstantial evidence that backs a CIA/Mafia connection in the JFK assassination. Trump is stupid, but he knows better than to piss off the mob. He's been working with them for years and knows exactly how they operate. They will get you if you cross them.

[KS Toronado]

13. All the "suckers & losers" at the Pentagon will stop any attempted coup.

Generals don't take kindly to their troops and themselves being called names.

[OMGWTF]

36. Or ignoring bounties on their heads by our worst enemy.

[matt819]

14. That's 2 four-star generals who've said the same thing in two days

Which is all well and good. But what can we do about it? What do we do about it? How do we stop it?

Or, more accurately, how does Joe Biden stop it? How does Congress stop it? How does the Joint Chiefs of Staff stop it? How does the media report it, and does that matter?

The lawsuits are a distraction. Whether the lawyers know this or not is uncertain. But it's theater. Replacing the civilian leadership at the Pentagon is not theatrics.

What now, folks?

[stopdiggin]

37. stop what?

that's what is keeping people from jumping on this bandwagon. What specifically do you think the military is going to do -- in order to extend Donald Trump's stay in office beyond Jan. 20? TV stations? Troop carriers? Guards blocking every courthouse, statehouse and governor's mansion? All civil authority reports to ...?

All that presupposing that these men and women in uniform have such little regard for their country -- and such immense love and loyalty to DJT?

I'm having a real hard time seeing it. And wondering what the rest of you ARE seeing?

[dware]

89. The military will not engage in a coup,

that's just nonsense, from day one it was drilled into our heads that we are duty bound to refuse to obey an illegal order, no if's, and's or but's about it.

The Officer Corps especially will not obey an order from Pissolini to seize civil authority from the states, it just ain't happening.

[Wednesdays]

125. Yeah, but what constitutes an "illegal order?"

Let's say the SCOTUS hands down a decision that nullifies the vote count in PA, GA, AZ, and NV, giving the presidency to Rump. The RW media proclaims Rump the winner. Is the military really going to intervene then?

And that's just one of a multitude of scenarios.

[dware]

126. SCOTUS is not going to hand down such a decision,

so that scenario is null and void.

Look, I spent the majority of my adult life in the Marines, I know how the Military works and those that are convinced that the Military will jump in and seize civil control are just wrong.

The Military has already made it quite clear that they have no role in the election, period, ergo, I have no concerns about a Military coup to keep Pissolini in power.

[Boogiemack]

16. So which side will the military be on? That is the real question. nt

[BigOleDummy]

28. I just answered this question in another thread

To the best of my ability anyway. I believe the majority will side with the Constitution and the people. I went into a bit more detail in the other thread so am not going into it all again. But I have faith in our Officer and NCO ranks. Yes, I say that as a 2 enlistment veteran.

[reader1]

38. Does not matter

If Trump decides to issue the order and his newly installed yes man pass it down the chain of command. there is a high probability this may cause an insurrection among the lower ranks of whom many are Trump loyalist.

[BigOleDummy]

50. Yes

Some will be trumpists indeed. But many more won't be and take their oaths seriously. I did. I swore to protect the CONSTITUTION and that oath hasn't changed OR expired. You mentioned about "passing down the chain of command" and indeed that's how it works. What went unsaid is...... we were taught the difference between a legal and an illegal order. MOST if not all illegal orders would be stopped before they even got to the lower enlisted ranks. Our Officer corps and senior nco's know the difference, as does the lowliest private standing in ranks. I have faith, more faith in fact, in our Officers and nco's than in our civilian "leadership" at this point in time.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

72. Thank you for the insight; hoping it remains so right now.

[GetRidOfThem]

79. Thank you!!!

And... I believe you, wholeheartedly.

[stopdiggin]

51. issue WHAT order?

The executive order declaring Donald Trump "president for life?"

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[dware]

90. Ever been in the Military/'

I ask because you seem to be uninformed about how the military really works.

I spent nigh onto 35 years in the Marines, and it is drilled into our heads from day one the we have a duty to refuse to obey an illegal order, and the vast majority of Officers/NCO's/ Enlistee's take that oath very, very seriously.

The few that might attempt to obey Pissolini's illegal orders would quickly be taken down by the Security Forces.

[Jakes Progress]

105. I have the misfortune

to know several former military that would jump at the chance to forcefully defend trump. They say that an order to keep him in office is not an illegal order, but their patriotic duty.

[wnylib]

111. I know a few like that. One is

a relative, former Marine.

[dware]

120. All fine and dandy,

but that doesn't account for the vast majority that would refuse to obey an illegal order.

[Jakes Progress]

128. Glad your experience

and relationships are different than mine. I hope that yours reflect reality and not hopeful dreaming.

But every successful coup that wasn't a military takeover has involved armies siding with the coup leader.

[dware]

129. I'm still well connected with the Marines, and every Marine I've interacted with

has said the same thing, they hate Pissolini because of him pissing all over the Military, John McCain, etc, they really don't like him and the sense I get is that the vast majority of the Officer Corps, the NCO's, the Enlistees, etc. would refuse an illegal order, which is their sworn duty, along with protecting the Constitution.

[Jakes Progress]

134. So

if white nationalist militia thugs surrounded the White House to protect their orange god from being dragged out by his heels, would they sit in the barracks watching? That would not be obeying an illegal order. They would get no orders at all from trump or his newly appointed minions.

An unlikely scenario. But my post wasn't that trump would order the military to defend him. He would see to it that they wouldn't enter into it because they have trump-sucking commanders.

[dware]

135. There is no reason to get the military involved in a law enforcement action,

the Secret Service, the USMS, FBI, etc are well equipped to handle such a scenario.

Those militia thugs would be dispatched very quickly, they have no idea what tools are at the disposal of these Fed. agencies.

I have no worries about these thugs trying to keep Pissolini from being removed from the WH.

[Jakes Progress]

136. Ahhh. Blind optimism.

The oppressor's tool.

Hey. I'm old. I've been protesting and advocating for a very long time. My encounters and relationships with some of those agencies seems to be very different than yours. Maybe all the younger right wingers have grown halos. Cool.

But I'm also a student of history. I've watched a lot of autocracy take-overs. I'm happy that you have no worries. I'm happy that you are so confident. I hope you don't have to lose your optimism and full-glass good will. But I can't do it. I've seen stuff that kills that sunny-jim feeling. I'm sure that trump will leave the White House, but I'm not sure that it will be quick or smooth regardless of the "tools" that your friends in the Fed have. I know of several police departments that will not put down proud boy attacks. Hell, some of them are members. I watched it with the klan in the sixties.

Boy, do I hope that you get to keep feeling confident. I hope all the next generation can have no worries. That would mean the efforts I made that developed my pessimism were to a good end.

[stopdiggin]

45. Of course!

I'd hazard (don't think it's much of a hazard) that even the rightest of right wing wearing uniform (and I'm sure there are some), are not interested in changing our form of government at this time. And certainly not at the behest of Donald Trump.

And the majority of them are saying, "WTF -- you talking about"

[BigOleDummy]

54. Indeed

As any veteran in here will tell you...... when you swear that oath to the Constitution... its.... life changing. At least in my case and the few others I've talked about this with. WE are taught the difference between an illegal order and an legal one. Our current chump in chief seems to be trying to tear our Armed Forces apart just like he did to the rest of the country. I DO trust our Officer corps to do the right thing if and when the time comes.

[dware]

91. +100.

And it's drilled into our heads from day 1 that we have a duty to refuse to obey an illegal order,
and the vast majority of service personnel take that to heart.

[Sugarcoated]

104. What's your take on General Flynn?

[BigOleDummy]

112. There are

There are always outliers in life. I think he was overly ambitious and threw his lot in with the wrong side. That's my personal take. I think he should be in prison myself. Benedict Arnold was instrumental in our winning the American Revolution but that does not change the fact of his later betrayal. Yes, he was screwed over big but.... there is no excuse that can absolve him. Same with Gen. Flynn. He lied to the FBI , at minimum and SHOULD be held accountable for that.

[wnylib]

113. What about members of the military,

past and present, who believe the claims that Biden and the Dems present a socialist threat to the nation? Who believe that opposing Joe is defending the constitution? Not many in the higher ranks would believe that, but they exist in the lower ranks, in the Guard, and in former military.

Quite a few people in the militias are former military, like Timothy McVeigh was. Add them to prison guards, ICE agents, and volunteers from solid red states, plus red state National Guard, and Trump would have people to carry out his orders if he chose that route.

[BigOleDummy]

124. Indeed

There are many in militias etc who are crazy nutjobs with military experience , no one is denying that. The VAST majority of veterans and active service members are true patriots though. I firmly believe this. To try and paint all those who serve or have served as traitorous rwnj's is wrong and imo uncalled for. There are more of us than there are of them. As far as your assertion about the Guard, its based on no facts imo. Red state or not most, I said MOST, will do the right thing and disobey a illegal order. The lower ranks will not take unilateral action without some kind of orders anyway and I trust the overwhelming majority of our officers. There's no reason to throw shade on veterans and our service members as a whole. I understand that military service is not looked upon as honorable by some of us on the left but if it ever comes to it, you'll be happy that so many of us DO have some experience.

As an aside, I've said for many years that having so many of our training and permanent party Forts/Bases in the deep south is a mistake and should be changed.

[wnylib]

130. I was not throwing shade on our

military. My father, uncle, both brothers, nephew, and a few cousins were/are former military. One brother (career Navy) was an avid Trump supporter. (Past tense because he died in July.) One cousin (former Marine) is also a devoted Trumpist.

Ironically, it was the Trumpist brother who told me decades ago when I was still in junior high school about his oath to defend the constitution and the importance of the civilian control by the Commander-in-Chief. After returning from 2 years in Vietnam, he said that he opposed the crackdowns on anti war demonstrators because, as a military man, he defended the constitutional rights of everyone to express themselves.

Yet, in his later years, during retirement, his views changed. He believed that Trump was "a bit crazy," but also a patriot, defending the country against creeping socialism. I usually refused to discuss politics with him in order to keep peace in the family, despite his constant attempts in conversations and e-mails to change my views. Finally I did respond to an e-mail with my own sharp criticism of Trump and said we'd have to agree to disagree because my views would not change. He broke off contact with me. Two weeks later, his wife called to say that he had died and I wished I had continued to avoid political arguments with him. I hated everything he stood for in his later years, but could not hate him as a person because I remember happier times in our childhood and early adulthood.

My comments about former military were not based on any negative feelings from me toward the military. There have been military in my family throughout American history, back through WWII, the Civil War, War of 1812, the Revolution, and the colonial French and Indian Wars. Even on the more recent German immigrant side of my family, my g-grandfather was a cavalry officer. And I dated a few vets when younger.

My comments were based on some people (not all) that I know, and on an excellent book on the subject of former military who join militias called, "Bring the War Home" by Kathleen Belew. Very well researched and documented. She points out that a lot of enlisted men and women do not feel a calling for the military, but enlist because they don't know what else to do after graduation. For some, the military becomes family they felt they lacked and they find purpose and identity in the service that they miss when they leave. If they felt socially alienated before their service, they are ripe for militias after they get out - a place to use their skills and to feel like they belong, and have a sense of purpose.

Belew does not say that this profile is typical of all service people, but that it is typical of those who later join militias. And that there are more of them than people realize. Not enough usually to form their own militias totally of former military. They become leaders and trainers among people without a military background.

[TryLogic]

17. And there is Moscow Mitch. He acts as if his Chinese wife has convinced him

that the Chinese form of government would be more desirable than our democracy.

[mathematic]

20. Elaine Chao is American

She's not even from China. So, in short, fuck your racism.

[bottomofthehill]

25. You are right, she is not from China she is from Taiwan

And is a naturalized American Citizen.

[leftieNanner]

26. Elaine Chao was born in Taiwan

She became a US citizen at age 19.

[True Dough]

27. That's harsh

but warranted. Carry on!

[reACTIONary]

65. +100 nt

[dware]

121. You really should delete this post,

because of your false assertion that turtle's wife is Chinese, she was born in Taiwan, a close ally of the US and became a naturalized citizen.

[Tiger8]

18. Trump is using this to 'negotiate" a deal.

Trump knows he can’t successfully stage a coup.....but he can (and will) cause a lot of trouble by holding things hostage, stirring up his base, etc.

He’s waiting for the phone call, and a voice on the other end says to him, “How much? What do you want?”

Every scammer has his price to make him go away...

[Pathwalker]

19. Okay. Can I officially be worried now?

Can I listen to and believe this General more than DU's "official experts" who swear this is all just poppycock?

[stopdiggin]

21. nah. what do you envision the military doing?

Marching in to "arrest" all the Governors and election officials across the country?

Are people actually imagining that our military is interested in staging a coup? For Donald Trump?

[FarPoint]

42. He is on MSNBC right now...4:25 PM Est..

Explaining this...

[Pathwalker]

68. I watched it, and now I'm serously more worried.

No, tRump won't be "successful" in the end, but that won't stop him from doing as much damage as he can in the meantime. He's not going to lift a finger to stop covid, he's going to rile up his proud boys to do harm or kill others, and he'll probably end up tanking the economy even more. Will he bomb Iran or some other place? I don't know, and that's what worries me.

[wiggs]

22. Malcolm Nance says the same thing. nt

[The Blue Flower]

23. They don't know how to do the jobs they're being thrown into

It's the usual level of incompetence, so no matter what the plan is, they'll screw it up.

[reader1]

29. Trump is a psychopathic sadist

He could care less for this country and will even sacrifice his devoted cult followers. Him replacing the top Pentagon leaders with yes man means more than likely he is setting the stage for a coup. We may find out soon whether we can still continue to tell our soldiers "thank you for your service."

[GoCubsGo]

30. Is it a coup or a cover-up?

Are they really in there to purge the evidence of Trump's crimes and treason? That's my bet.

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

33. I'm beginning to get a little disconcerted with these kinds of assessments

that don't provide a way to stop it. Are we all just gonna stand around and comment, 'yeah, that's a coup allright' 'sure enough, he's gonna take over' etc etc etc. or are we gonna STOP IT?

[TallMike]

46. What do you suggest?

Asking for a friend...

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

85. I wonder if we could get a million people to march on the White House?

Or am I thinking too small?

[dustyscamp]

35. Worrying stuff here

If all this does play out. I hope that Biden and the Dems are ready to do their duty to defend our country

[Progressive2020]

39. Trump

My suspicion is that Trump will just say "no I am not leaving the White House, the election was a fraud". He will try to surround himself with Marine Guards to prevent anyone like the U.S. Marshals or the Secret Service re moving him under Biden's orders. He will order the military to repel anyone that tries to remove him. I think that is why he is purging the top of the Defense Department. It might even incite a civil war as Trump supporters and opponents take to the streets. I hope that I am entirely wrong, but I would put nothing beyond Trumps corruption. He is a sociopath in the highest office. He will not leave quietly.

[TallMike]

49. Maybe I'm wrong but,

wouldn't he have to declare Marshall Law to do that?
Wouldn't he? Does not the mandate of Marine protection end on 1/20 -ish and the SS takes over? My understanding is pretty limited so I'm just asking.

[Progressive2020]

57. Not Sure

I am not sure. I am not a lawyer. Trump is the Comander in Chief. He can give the military orders. Whether they follow them or not is another matter. I think that he is just going to refuse to leave. He will say what he has already said- the election was a fraud and he really won. Biden may have to give orders for Trump and his people to be removed from the White House. This is what happens when you have a sociopath and fascist as President, along with his fascist lackeys like Barr and Pompeo.

[EndlessWire]

59. Here's a link for you

to understand MARTIAL law:

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2020/10/23/how-the-president-could-invoke-martial-law/

[scarletwoman]

60. It's MARTIAL LAW, for pete's sake, NOT "Marshall Law"!

Sorry - it's one of my major pet peeves.

[panader0]

69. What about Marshall Dillon?

And Miss Kitty?

[scarletwoman]

70. ...

[cwydro]

75. Martial. Martial law.

Still can’t believe I see this here.

[Celerity]

88. The Alarming Scope of the President's Emergency Powers

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212561494

[dware]

122. One little correction,

it's not Marshall Law, it's Martial Law.

[orangecrush]

52. Sounds like a Qanon wet dream

But this is the real world.

[Statistical]

67. Why would the Marine guards follow orders of someone who is not the commander in chief?

I put nothing beyond Trump but this is beyond Trump.

On Jan 20th Biden will be the President and Commander in Chief. Failure to follow his lawful orders is a court martial offense. That applies to everyone from a four stage general down to a private.

[Progressive2020]

73. Agreed

The main bulwark against this possible scenario is the military and their integrity. But what if some in the military believe that Trump is the real Commander in Chief and Biden is not legit? Could be a schism in the military. Unlikely, but a scary scenario.

[dware]

123. The few military members that would try this would quickly

be neutralized by the Security Forces.
They don't fuck around, I know, I did a 2 year stint with the Security Forces before returning to being a Combat Engineer.

[qdouble]

103. And everyone is just going to agree to live under a dictatorship?

It's pure nonsense. He's just grifting and destabilizing the country.

[Old Enough 2]

48. It's No Joke If Trump Succeeds

Trump may crap out in the end but if he makes the right moves we have a dictator for life. HE and the FASCIST LOVING GOP would jump at the chance for a Right Wing Dictatorship.

[barbtries]

53. i am sick with worry and fear.

but, i have all my doctor approved PPE ready to go for a general strike. so, there's that.

[AlexSFCA]

55. Bill Maher has been saying it for a long time and being ridiculed

on this very forum, no one seems to believe that a true military coup is 100% possible in the US. Trump has absolutely nothing to lose. The reality is that we will all start officially worried when it’s too late.

[DallasNE]

63. Keep In Mind

This is the backdrop for the 2 Senate races in Georgia. The people will still have a say in this. On one side you have two Trump loyalists and on the other side are two candidates who believe in the rule of law. And that is unwavering so all of the other unseemly crap Trump will try to pull will also be subjected to the same scrutiny. It looks like the perfect storm for these key Senate races.

[BarbD]

64. Everybody calm down.

Not saying there is no reason for concern and we have to be alert, BUT, if you look through history, it takes more than wishful thinking, a press briefing in a landscaping parking lot, some yahoos with guns and frightened republicans to stage a successful coup.

[Progressive2020]

71. Maybe

But when Trump announced he was running for President, almost everyone laughed at him. Look at where we are now. Dismiss a sociopathic fascist and his hard core followers at your own risk.

[BarbD]

74. Not saying to dismiss or ignore what he is doing.

What I am saying is not to empower them by seeing us fearful. We KNOW we won this election. We are confident we will prevail.

Truth is on our side. Let's stand by Joe and let him lead us into the future.

[Progressive2020]

76. I Am Not Fearful

I am angry and alert. I support Joe Biden all the way. But we have to be real. Trump is a sociopath enabled by fascists. He does not intend to leave quietly, and he is backed by lackeys like Barr and Pompeo. That is real. Don't underestimate sociopaths and fascists.

[BarbD]

82. I am pissed as hell that these enablers make it so difficult for us to govern responsibly.

I am fully aware of what McConnell did to Obama. I also strongly believe that we are in a stronger place now. What I don't really understand is why they are so determined to drag this out.

[Straw Man]

86. He won by a fluke ...

... and some clever strategies that were devised by his campaign and had nothing to do with his own abilities. Nothing. He is inept.

He is thoroughly incompetent, and only survived four years in the White House through the vigorous actions of his enablers in Congress. They'll pander to his mob of yahoos in order to hang onto political power, but I seriously doubt that they want to install him as their Lord and Master in perpetuity.

He may want to desperately to mount a coup, but he doesn't have a clue how to pull it off. He can't even stage a successful photo op. A more realistic fear is what damage he may do in his final flailings.

[uponit7771]

93. A general intimated the opposite, I'll take his word into consideration

[ecstatic]

98. Traditionally, yes. But we're just watching them take the steps like deers in headlights.

Once again, we're completely at the mercy of what THEY decide to do.

At what point do we start to take them seriously? And is there a point where it will be too late?

[BarbD]

99. They lost. They lost by a lot.

Certainly they can cause mischief and make the transition more difficult. However, the Biden team is exceptionally competent. They are going about their business. Look at history -- the most recent coup that was closest to us was Castro in Cuba. Donald is no Fidel.

[jalan48]

81. When do Biden and Harris hold a press conference to talk about the coup?

[Evolve Dammit]

84. Just fucking ugly. I knew he was capable, and here we are. We will have to rise up.

[Martin Eden]

92. Mccaffrey's warning is not easily dismissed

I have no doubt Biden's team is preparing for anything these fascists will attempt.

[BigmanPigman]

109. Yes, I've heard that several times.

Biden/Harris have been working on various scenarios that team tRump may pull until he leaves office.

[Cha]

95. Yes.. but That NEEDS to BE STOPPED!!!!

[Hotler]

96. General, what do you suggest we do? All I hear is talk about the problem.

I don't hear any solutions from people at the top or those that have a voice.

[Jakes Progress]

106. Ignore this or laugh it off at peril.

I watched a segment on tv where trump rally participants were being interviewed. Many wore shirts that said "I would rather be Russian than a Democrat".

Listen to the people who know the military when they tell you what is happening in the military. If you don't it is the same thing as the idiots who won't listen to the medical experts tell them about medical things.

[Maven]

107. Agreed, the "laugh it off and pretend it isn't happening" approach is whistling past the graveyard

Same with "don't worry, it's just a grift".

It is a grift, but it is also a coup, if we allow it. It's whatever they can get away with.

[BlueWavePsych]

127. Still think it is all about the money, an epic grift ...

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142626814

[Maven]

131. It is whatever they can get away with. nt