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Great news AZ just had a 5000 vote dump (or I guess you call it a "drop") (Original Post) Eliot Rosewater Nov 2020 OP
Ty, Eliot! SheltieLover Nov 2020 #1
Why isn't CNN calling AZ? What are they waiting for? Chichiri Nov 2020 #2
Still not over...i watch this all day long...nerve wracking Eliot Rosewater Nov 2020 #3
I'm satisfied we'll win, but not satisfied... Chichiri Nov 2020 #5
FOX is the Fascist Oligarch eXtremists network -- promoting the agenda of sociopathic billionaires Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2020 #22
States are called all the time when they aren't done counting Silent3 Nov 2020 #26
Biden's lead in AZ is small and it keeps going down. LisaL Nov 2020 #27
Well TimeToGo Nov 2020 #31
Why would CNN call it when it's that close? LisaL Nov 2020 #9
I would like to see Biden get over 300 EV's ... aggiesal Nov 2020 #34
I am pretty confident Biden will take Arizona. still_one Nov 2020 #4
trump needs 68.3% of the remaining 35,599 votes Roland99 Nov 2020 #6
No way. triron Nov 2020 #24
"Way" Roland99 Nov 2020 #25
I remember those days well. triron Nov 2020 #30
are they gonna do a recount? Doesn't seem close enough mucifer Nov 2020 #7
AZ doesn't do recounts unless the difference is several hundreds ballots. LisaL Nov 2020 #8
Yeah 50/50 not enough for dumpy. Every time him misses the threshold it makes it higher. Statistical Nov 2020 #10
Heading to 75/25. Never gonna happen. n/t CincyDem Nov 2020 #15
AZ sos site says just over 40 K left. triron Nov 2020 #11
That vote dump was from Pima County oswaldactedalone Nov 2020 #12
We will know much more after the Maricopa dump tonite. triron Nov 2020 #13
50/50 from Pima County is not very encouraging. marybourg Nov 2020 #14
It's fine all the dumps the last few days have favored Trump mr_lebowski Nov 2020 #16
Thanx. Appreciate the reassurance. marybourg Nov 2020 #17
92% Pima, 8% Yavapai Dem2 Nov 2020 #18
Is Yavapai red? LisaL Nov 2020 #19
64-35 Trump according to CNN Dem2 Nov 2020 #20
For sure! triron Nov 2020 #23
Yavapai is red but it's a small county oswaldactedalone Nov 2020 #21
Good news Eliot. K&R Demsrule86 Nov 2020 #28
TY! Cha Nov 2020 #29
Thanks for keeping us up to date on AZ!!!!!!!!!!! nt USALiberal Nov 2020 #32
Let's not assume. These recounts across states could get 45 into a hail mary position. ancianita Nov 2020 #33
Arizona does not do recounts unless the margin in very tiny. GulfCoast66 Nov 2020 #35
Well that's true of any of the battlegrounds, right? ancianita Nov 2020 #41
Nope. LisaL Nov 2020 #50
Good to know. I'm relieved that 200 is the threshold. Thank you. ancianita Nov 2020 #52
It's over...it really is...and that is ME saying it... Eliot Rosewater Nov 2020 #36
Haha love ya. Sorry, not even you can convince me with 33 days out 'til the certification deadline. ancianita Nov 2020 #39
Because Nevada went for Biden ... aggiesal Nov 2020 #40
By my count, he needs only AZ, GA, MI and WI. PA's totally out by law. ancianita Nov 2020 #42
Big Maricopa dump coming up (maybe in 1/2 hr) triron Nov 2020 #37
Jesus, nerve WRACKING Eliot Rosewater Nov 2020 #38
Yeah! It is! Good news shouldn't be nerve wracking, should it! ancianita Nov 2020 #43
Massive nearly 13k dump Dem2 Nov 2020 #44
Excellent news from the Maricopa vote dump oswaldactedalone Nov 2020 #45
Yep Eliot Rosewater Nov 2020 #47
Right now Biden has dropped from 12,828 yesterday to 11,635 today. ancianita Nov 2020 #46
No he's got this, there's a reason they called it Way back when Eliot Rosewater Nov 2020 #48
As long as "he's got this" doesn't put him in the recount zone. That's all I want. ancianita Nov 2020 #49
Arizona only recounts in the few hundreds as a margin greenjar_01 Nov 2020 #51
GA didn't have to recount the race. LisaL Nov 2020 #53
That is one reason I am sure IsItJustMe Nov 2020 #56
Great. I'm feeling better about AZ. ancianita Nov 2020 #54
CNN hasn't called AZ for Biden though today a couple of outlets did Catherine Vincent Nov 2020 #55

Eliot Rosewater

(31,109 posts)
3. Still not over...i watch this all day long...nerve wracking
Wed Nov 11, 2020, 08:04 PM
Nov 2020

I anticipate anything is possible so I am not going to relax until AZ is in the books.

Chichiri

(4,667 posts)
5. I'm satisfied we'll win, but not satisfied...
Wed Nov 11, 2020, 08:10 PM
Nov 2020

that no one but AP and the Fascist Channel are calling it.

(By the way, if any lurking repubs read this, I'll concede that the Fascist Channel is taking steps, baby steps but steps, toward not being fascist. But you need to take charge and call for them to be conservative without being fascist.)

Silent3

(15,190 posts)
26. States are called all the time when they aren't done counting
Wed Nov 11, 2020, 09:18 PM
Nov 2020

In fact, that's how it's normally done. A state is called when there's low to no chance of the outstanding vote changing who wins.

AZ (and GA) are there already. Time to call 'em!

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
27. Biden's lead in AZ is small and it keeps going down.
Wed Nov 11, 2020, 09:19 PM
Nov 2020

It's less than 0.5 % difference. Nobody is going to call it until they finish counting.

TimeToGo

(1,366 posts)
31. Well
Wed Nov 11, 2020, 10:00 PM
Nov 2020

Biden is ahead by 13000 votes. I’m pretty sure states were called for Trump in 16 with that. Mich for instance.

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
9. Why would CNN call it when it's that close?
Wed Nov 11, 2020, 08:17 PM
Nov 2020

And what do you think calling it is going to accomplish?

aggiesal

(8,910 posts)
34. I would like to see Biden get over 300 EV's ...
Wed Nov 11, 2020, 10:27 PM
Nov 2020

If Biden gets both AZ and GA, he will have the exact number of EV's that
Pendejo45 had in 2016.
Then we can use Pendejo45's words against him, when he said he won a landslide.

The sooner the better.

Statistical

(19,264 posts)
10. Yeah 50/50 not enough for dumpy. Every time him misses the threshold it makes it higher.
Wed Nov 11, 2020, 08:17 PM
Nov 2020

He needs a 70/30 split now which is very unlikely. Not impossible but like 50 to 1 unlikely.

oswaldactedalone

(3,490 posts)
12. That vote dump was from Pima County
Wed Nov 11, 2020, 08:24 PM
Nov 2020

The most liberal county in AZ. The race will tighten but Joe should pull it out by about 5K votes.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
16. It's fine all the dumps the last few days have favored Trump
Wed Nov 11, 2020, 08:41 PM
Nov 2020

But they've been under 60% Dump damn near every time.

As you probably know these are mail-in ballots that were dropped off at polling places/dropboxes on the day of election itself. So you got the GOPpers that were convinced by Trump not to use mail-in (but still used their mail-in ballots) and to vote ON election day ... but that's offset by the Dems who wanted to use mail-in ballots ... but didn't trust the mail, and lagged until election day.

Every dump has been 40-50% Biden for days. Trump needs like 70% of everything left.

Not gonna happen.

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
20. 64-35 Trump according to CNN
Wed Nov 11, 2020, 08:48 PM
Nov 2020

So, yes. Likely kept Biden from getting more than the 50.2% that he got from that dump.

ancianita

(36,017 posts)
33. Let's not assume. These recounts across states could get 45 into a hail mary position.
Wed Nov 11, 2020, 10:22 PM
Nov 2020

The recounts worry me. Please tell me I'm wrong.

I'm worried about a technical knockout across 4 states' recounts.

Trump's lawyers are demanding recounts in all battlegrounds.

Biden is outside the recount zone in AZ (12,828), PA, (51,969) and MI (146,123)
but recounts will go ahead in GA (14,089) and WI (20,583).

45 needs 53 to get to 270, and will have to win 4:
one more than than these votes in WI (20,583), AZ (12,828), GA (14,089), AND MI (146,123) before certification Dec 14.

If he can't get recounts, is it because the time's too tight?

Is AZ's AG playing with the nation when he says it's "unlikely" that 45 could win AZ?

imo, 45's recounts HAVE to be electronically tampered with for the numbers to rise.

He could claim the Dems "cheated," when it was really his recounts.

Can any configuration of recounts get 45 to 269?


GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
35. Arizona does not do recounts unless the margin in very tiny.
Wed Nov 11, 2020, 10:32 PM
Nov 2020

If the margin is that small then a recount is actually called for.

Candidates can’t get them.

ancianita

(36,017 posts)
39. Haha love ya. Sorry, not even you can convince me with 33 days out 'til the certification deadline.
Wed Nov 11, 2020, 10:40 PM
Nov 2020

I'm getting cheer leading, which I appreciate.

But I'm asking for logic, something that outthinks the 45 fight machinery.

Is the Bob Bauer team in these recount states? I'm not reading anything about that.
Maybe because media aren't allowed around sausage making.

aggiesal

(8,910 posts)
40. Because Nevada went for Biden ...
Wed Nov 11, 2020, 10:42 PM
Nov 2020

Pendejo45 would literally have to win PA, MI, GA, NC, AZ
As you stated, AZ, PA & MI are outside the recounts.
Even if Biden loses GA, WI, MI, NC & AZ, Biden really only needs ONE state (PA) to win it all.

Pendejo45 is in a world of hurt. He would have to run the table.

ancianita

(36,017 posts)
42. By my count, he needs only AZ, GA, MI and WI. PA's totally out by law.
Wed Nov 11, 2020, 10:45 PM
Nov 2020

Okay. As long as there's no possible way he gets to 269.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,109 posts)
38. Jesus, nerve WRACKING
Wed Nov 11, 2020, 10:36 PM
Nov 2020

It is over number wise regardless, but when you have a violent fascist in power he could use a turnaround here to cause much more trouble than we already have.

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
44. Massive nearly 13k dump
Wed Nov 11, 2020, 11:28 PM
Nov 2020

12,845 Biden 45.4% / 54.6% Trump Trump is averaging 55.0% Trump needs 76.3%

Lead is down to 11,635 but Trumps odds of winning just went WAY down as he needs >76% from here on in...

oswaldactedalone

(3,490 posts)
45. Excellent news from the Maricopa vote dump
Wed Nov 11, 2020, 11:39 PM
Nov 2020

Pretty much sews up AZ for Biden. Nearly half of the remaining vote is from Pima and while the website says there are 24,738 votes left to count across the state, it could be considerably less as there are 2727 ballots waiting for signature verification, which at this late date means that those votes won't count. Also, there are 18,000 provisionals left to review and some percentage of them won't be counted. Joe's got AZ.

 

greenjar_01

(6,477 posts)
51. Arizona only recounts in the few hundreds as a margin
Thu Nov 12, 2020, 12:41 AM
Nov 2020

Which is more sensible than other states, since no modern-day recount has ever shifted a vote more than a few hundred or very low thousand at most.

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
53. GA didn't have to recount the race.
Thu Nov 12, 2020, 12:50 AM
Nov 2020

They don't have automatic recounts. Trump could have asked for a recount after votes were certfied.
GA SOS decided to order a recount, which he calls an audit, since GA doesn't have automatic recounts. And not just any recount, a hand recount.
I personally have no doubt this is done to appease Trumpers.

IsItJustMe

(7,012 posts)
56. That is one reason I am sure
Thu Nov 12, 2020, 01:16 AM
Nov 2020

and another reason I think is that GA has completely changed all of their voting machines out this year for a different system. They may have done a recount regardless, just to fine tune their new system. Killing two birds with one stone, so to speak. I have seen no mention of this, but it makes sense to me anyway.

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