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Cyrano

(15,027 posts)
Thu Nov 12, 2020, 02:03 PM Nov 2020

Do you really believe Joe Biden isn't getting security briefings?

Do you really believe that our intelligence agencies are ignoring reality?

Do you really believe that leaders of the FBI, CIA, etc. don't know that Trump is insane?

Do you really believe that career people dedicated to our national security wouldn't brief Biden?

Do you really believe that the pros in these agencies don't understand reality?

Of course, there's no way I can prove what I'm saying here. But I do believe that there are true patriots at top levels of our government who won't bow to the whims of a madman. I believe that Joe Biden is learning everything he needs to know before taking over the reins of power.

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Do you really believe Joe Biden isn't getting security briefings? (Original Post) Cyrano Nov 2020 OP
I honestly don't know what to belive any more. MontanaMama Nov 2020 #1
Yes. But there are still many sane, competent people in Cyrano Nov 2020 #4
I think he knows WAY more than trump* realizes (or maybe knows, himself??) Siwsan Nov 2020 #2
Do you think it's completely fubar TDale313 Nov 2020 #3
Washington, Jefferson, Hamilton, et. al. ignored many rules. Cyrano Nov 2020 #9
You missed my point. TDale313 Nov 2020 #12
I think the issue is that Biden is not receiving any PDBs.... Spazito Nov 2020 #5
Obama is allowed briefings as a past president. Phoenix61 Nov 2020 #6
Yes I do believe that. I also believe there are no patriots at the top levels of our government, Autumn Nov 2020 #7
Had this discussion last night Mme. Defarge Nov 2020 #8
Certain of what? Certain that he IS being briefed or NewDayOranges Nov 2020 #23
Is being briefed. Mme. Defarge Nov 2020 #24
I'm am sure that MI6, Mossad,General Directorate for External Security, and the others irisblue Nov 2020 #10
Yes! I'm thinking the intelligence agencies of our ailies TrishaJ Nov 2020 #17
+1 2naSalit Nov 2020 #20
Maybe he is in some fashion, but he should be seeing the PDBs The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2020 #11
I don't know if there are any real patriots. blueinredohio Nov 2020 #13
I believe he is not getting formal briefings. GoCubsGo Nov 2020 #14
Haspel is not publicly defying the White House. maxsolomon Nov 2020 #15
Biden's been getting the 'Readers Digest' edition of the security briefings for months Brother Buzz Nov 2020 #16
I'd really like to believe this and maybe it's true. Mike 03 Nov 2020 #18
I hope he's getting the long-form briefings--who cares if he gets the 1-page picture-synopsis? flor-de-jasmim Nov 2020 #19
Yes, they follow orders. Until, Trump gives the word ...no briefings. Demsrule86 Nov 2020 #21
Well, it would probably be illegal to give it Rice4VP Nov 2020 #22
Read something earlier... ColoradoBlue Nov 2020 #25
Even if he isn't receiving briefings, he still has access to classified information. Massacure Nov 2020 #26

Cyrano

(15,027 posts)
4. Yes. But there are still many sane, competent people in
Thu Nov 12, 2020, 02:07 PM
Nov 2020

positions of power and influence. Don't give in to despair. Hang on. Sanity is on the way on January 20, 2021.

Siwsan

(26,251 posts)
2. I think he knows WAY more than trump* realizes (or maybe knows, himself??)
Thu Nov 12, 2020, 02:06 PM
Nov 2020

Just a theory, mind you.

TDale313

(7,820 posts)
3. Do you think it's completely fubar
Thu Nov 12, 2020, 02:07 PM
Nov 2020

Whether people are defying this dictator wannabe or not? Cause they may well be breaking many, many rules and laws if they do decide to ignore directives.

TDale313

(7,820 posts)
12. You missed my point.
Thu Nov 12, 2020, 02:17 PM
Nov 2020

Whether there are people going out of their way and risking their necks to right this wrong... it’s still emphatically wrong that this admin is attempting to undermine the peaceful transition of power and faith in our elections. They don’t get a pass cause they aren’t actually that good at staging a coup.

Spazito

(50,165 posts)
5. I think the issue is that Biden is not receiving any PDBs....
Thu Nov 12, 2020, 02:07 PM
Nov 2020

Biden has been receiving intel briefings since at least July, 2020 from what I read:

Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden said he is receiving intelligence briefings and warned Friday about Russian interference in the 2020 election.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-07-18/biden-says-he-s-getting-intel-briefs-warns-of-russian-meddling

Phoenix61

(16,994 posts)
6. Obama is allowed briefings as a past president.
Thu Nov 12, 2020, 02:07 PM
Nov 2020

I don’t think he would break intelligence protocol but if something came up that was critical I think we would see a huge push from the Biden camp for access.

Autumn

(44,984 posts)
7. Yes I do believe that. I also believe there are no patriots at the top levels of our government,
Thu Nov 12, 2020, 02:08 PM
Nov 2020

Trump and Mitch took care of that.

Mme. Defarge

(8,014 posts)
8. Had this discussion last night
Thu Nov 12, 2020, 02:08 PM
Nov 2020

with a friend who once worked for the CIA. When I offered this speculation she emphatically and without hesitation said that she was absolutely certain of it.

NewDayOranges

(692 posts)
23. Certain of what? Certain that he IS being briefed or
Thu Nov 12, 2020, 03:13 PM
Nov 2020

Certain that he IS NOT being briefed! Which is it? Thanks.

irisblue

(32,932 posts)
10. I'm am sure that MI6, Mossad,General Directorate for External Security, and the others
Thu Nov 12, 2020, 02:11 PM
Nov 2020

know a few guys...

TrishaJ

(797 posts)
17. Yes! I'm thinking the intelligence agencies of our ailies
Thu Nov 12, 2020, 02:34 PM
Nov 2020

would share critical info with Biden if necessary.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,609 posts)
11. Maybe he is in some fashion, but he should be seeing the PDBs
Thu Nov 12, 2020, 02:11 PM
Nov 2020

so he knows what info Trump is getting (not that His Lardship pays attention to it).

blueinredohio

(6,797 posts)
13. I don't know if there are any real patriots.
Thu Nov 12, 2020, 02:22 PM
Nov 2020

They all voted republican even though they know how crooked republicans are.

GoCubsGo

(32,075 posts)
14. I believe he is not getting formal briefings.
Thu Nov 12, 2020, 02:22 PM
Nov 2020

But, like you, I am sure he gets indirect, informal briefings from various intelligence personnel. He may not be getting EVERYTHING he needs to know, but what he is being told is likely the most vital information he needs.

maxsolomon

(33,252 posts)
15. Haspel is not publicly defying the White House.
Thu Nov 12, 2020, 02:27 PM
Nov 2020

Neither is the NSA or FBI. They appear to be compliant with Trump's defiance.

I want this farce over.

I want my 2 Dem Senators to start screaming on TV and slapping McConnell in his wattle until he acknowledges reality. But I haven't heard a peep from them. It is disconcerting.

Brother Buzz

(36,385 posts)
16. Biden's been getting the 'Readers Digest' edition of the security briefings for months
Thu Nov 12, 2020, 02:28 PM
Nov 2020

It's the long version that is being held back. The same PDB the orange anus ignores. The same PDF that often raises question that Biden should be able to ask about and receive more detailed answers, which is something the orange anus has NEVER done.

Mike 03

(16,616 posts)
18. I'd really like to believe this and maybe it's true.
Thu Nov 12, 2020, 02:38 PM
Nov 2020

After reading Peter Strzok's book, one thing that struck me is how "by the book" they are. My only fear would be that jumping out of line to give Biden briefings "off the record" might lead to serious consequences.

But it's definitely possible. I honest to god hope this is happening.

Rice4VP

(1,235 posts)
22. Well, it would probably be illegal to give it
Thu Nov 12, 2020, 02:52 PM
Nov 2020

to him without authorization. Kamala is on several important committees so she is still getting them.

However, why would they trust anything these Trump cronies say?

ColoradoBlue

(104 posts)
25. Read something earlier...
Thu Nov 12, 2020, 03:17 PM
Nov 2020

That said that Biden's team is under strict instructions NOT to have contact with anyone in the Trump administration for fear it could undermine any legal strategy they may have to employ in the future. They are, however, speaking with former Trump staffers. The article said that the short tenure that is so common with this administration has definitely worked in Biden's favor.

Massacure

(7,515 posts)
26. Even if he isn't receiving briefings, he still has access to classified information.
Thu Nov 12, 2020, 03:32 PM
Nov 2020

32 CFR 1909 specifies that Presidents and Vice Presidents are entitled to continued access to classified information, and that their former political appointees are entitled to whatever information they had access to during their time of employment.

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