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liskddksil

(2,753 posts)
Thu Nov 12, 2020, 03:33 PM Nov 2020

As Trump Gained Latino Support in Florida, Biden's Campaign Ignored Warnings

On October 29th, Chris Wills, the Hispanic vote director for Joe Biden in South Florida, sent an e-mail to the campaign’s leadership, with the subject line “WE ARE ON TRACK TO LOSE FLORIDA.” In Miami-Dade County, a liberal stronghold, Republicans were ahead of Democrats in turnout by six per cent among early voters and held a lead among Latinos of eight per cent. If immediate action was not taken, Wills warned, Biden would fail to gain the level of support that Hillary Clinton had won, in 2016, in the state’s most populous county. “There is still time to get our vote out,” Wills wrote. “If the response continues to be excuses, the statement made in my subject line will become a reality.” His direct supervisors, members of the campaign’s national leadership and the state director, Jackie Lee, were copied on the e-mail. No one responded. Two days later, with less than forty-eight hours of early voting left, Wills followed up with a second message. “The Republicans wiped out another 40,594 votes from our lead,” he wrote. “Nothing different is being done in our state to change our trajectory towards a loss.” It, too, went unanswered.

On November 3rd, Donald Trump carried Florida by nearly four hundred thousand votes, more than twice the margin that he received in 2016. Four years after Clinton won Miami-Dade by thirty percentage points, Biden performed dismally—beating Trump by only seven per cent. Democrats lost two House seats, along with key races at the county and state levels. To the shock of many Democrats, Trump improved his standing in Miami-Dade in majority Latino, Black, and white precincts alike. Exit polls showed that he won roughly fifty-five per cent of the Cuban-American vote, thirty per cent of the Puerto Rican vote, and forty-eight per cent among myriad other Latino diasporas. Wills was shattered by the results but not surprised. For months, he had been pleading for help. Wills and his fiancée, Daniela Ferrera, a campaign volunteer, have blamed the campaign’s state leadership for contributing to Biden’s disastrous performance in Florida.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/campaign-chronicles/as-trump-gained-latino-support-in-florida-bidens-campaign-ignored-warnings
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Election is over now, and lessons do need to be learned as we move forward. I posted articles with similar warnings back in the summer about problems with voters of color and was met with the usual derision, of "thanks for your concern" or even worse being called a troll. I'm glad Biden pulled this out, but we could have certainly done better especially down-ballot. I hope we can all learn things from this campaign and do better in the future as a community.

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As Trump Gained Latino Support in Florida, Biden's Campaign Ignored Warnings (Original Post) liskddksil Nov 2020 OP
I get they have concerns, but those voting for trump will find no home in our party. onecaliberal Nov 2020 #1
Agree! Besides..we can't change them. Our focus should now be on the youth vote, which was high Thekaspervote Nov 2020 #2
Bloomberg poured a lot of money in there but the well-entrenched Cuban... brush Nov 2020 #9
Miami Dade Latinos voted for Clinton in 2016 BainsBane Nov 2020 #10
You mean the aid they get when they immigrate yo America? onecaliberal Nov 2020 #15
Well, if you prefer not to have their votes BainsBane Nov 2020 #22
As I explained upthread. Idgaf about anyone who could support trump. onecaliberal Nov 2020 #23
Why would they think Hillary isn't a socialist, but Biden is? Marius25 Nov 2020 #16
Hillary had built long-standing relationships with the Latino community BainsBane Nov 2020 #24
Maybe Biden camp just realized it was a waste of time greenjar_01 Nov 2020 #3
I think that's right. Bleacher Creature Nov 2020 #12
27% of the mail in vote in SO FL was lost in the mail...that's a big number Thekaspervote Nov 2020 #4
Link? nt LAS14 Nov 2020 #26
Biden can get the last laugh by DeminPennswoods Nov 2020 #5
Trump put a lot of eggs in the FL basket; ignored GA & AZ. yellowcanine Nov 2020 #6
As it turned out, we didn't need Florida. LisaL Nov 2020 #7
Get rid of the voting machines and see what happens JCMach1 Nov 2020 #8
Time to forget Florida BGBD Nov 2020 #11
They didn't ignore it, they just focused in other places in case we lost Florida JI7 Nov 2020 #13
Exactly. LisaL Nov 2020 #17
5 days before the election he sent that email? LiberalFighter Nov 2020 #14
Article has context liskddksil Nov 2020 #19
Florida DP does have a long time problem. LiberalFighter Nov 2020 #20
Fuck Floria My Pet Orangutan Nov 2020 #18
DeSatan and Lil'Marco campaigned hard for the orange one. Phoenix61 Nov 2020 #21
If they voted for trump then they support trump and GemDigger Nov 2020 #25

onecaliberal

(32,816 posts)
1. I get they have concerns, but those voting for trump will find no home in our party.
Thu Nov 12, 2020, 03:37 PM
Nov 2020

I’m sorry to say I don’t want bigoted, hating anti immigrant, fake Christian policy positions in our party.

brush

(53,764 posts)
9. Bloomberg poured a lot of money in there but the well-entrenched Cuban...
Thu Nov 12, 2020, 03:52 PM
Nov 2020

and Venezuelan communities abhor socialism so the repugs used the fact that our party has two nationally prominent and outspoken democratic socialists in our midst in their attack ads, and. game over.

It's good we didn't need Florida this cycle to win the presidency, but down-ticket races like for the Senate and House we suck.

It's a problem. How do we fix our messaging?

BainsBane

(53,029 posts)
10. Miami Dade Latinos voted for Clinton in 2016
Thu Nov 12, 2020, 03:52 PM
Nov 2020

and Trump in 2020. That's not about immigrant hating. It was about ginned up fears of socialism toward immigrants who fled socialist states. Your broad brush doesn't work in this situation, and it ignores the relevant population.

onecaliberal

(32,816 posts)
23. As I explained upthread. Idgaf about anyone who could support trump.
Thu Nov 12, 2020, 05:28 PM
Nov 2020

250,000 dead. 600 children who can’t be reunited with their parents. NOTHING done about a pandemic almost a year in. Yeah, I don’t give a fuck about any trump voter.

 

Marius25

(3,213 posts)
16. Why would they think Hillary isn't a socialist, but Biden is?
Thu Nov 12, 2020, 04:05 PM
Nov 2020

Their rationality makes absolutely zero sense.

BainsBane

(53,029 posts)
24. Hillary had built long-standing relationships with the Latino community
Thu Nov 12, 2020, 05:55 PM
Nov 2020

so the GOP couldn't convince them that someone they already knew was a socialist.

 

greenjar_01

(6,477 posts)
3. Maybe Biden camp just realized it was a waste of time
Thu Nov 12, 2020, 03:40 PM
Nov 2020


They seem like they made the right stands in the right places.

Because they won.

Bleacher Creature

(11,256 posts)
12. I think that's right.
Thu Nov 12, 2020, 03:54 PM
Nov 2020

I listened to the pre-election day briefing with Jen O'Malley Dillion, and it was noticeable how many times she mentioned that they had many paths to 270 without Florida.

That being said, it is incredibly disturbing that the number of Latinos who voted for Trump, despite his record. Hopefully the party figures out a way to do better in 2022, and ultimately 2024.

Thekaspervote

(32,754 posts)
4. 27% of the mail in vote in SO FL was lost in the mail...that's a big number
Thu Nov 12, 2020, 03:40 PM
Nov 2020

Deathsantis did other things to cheat. It was NOT a fair election..far from it

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
6. Trump put a lot of eggs in the FL basket; ignored GA & AZ.
Thu Nov 12, 2020, 03:46 PM
Nov 2020

With the degree of voter suppression going on in Florida not sure it was winnable this cycle. Need to start working on that now for 2022 and 2024.

 

BGBD

(3,282 posts)
11. Time to forget Florida
Thu Nov 12, 2020, 03:53 PM
Nov 2020

and Ohio for that matter. There's no reason to run in those places anymore. Ohio is basically Kentucky with more black folks and Florida is on meth.

We'd be much better off to focus our efforts on Georgia, North Carolina, Arizona, and Texas.

We took two of the four above this time, and Obama took NC in 08 and it's been close there ever since. Biden barely lost there this time. Texas is still red, but clearly getting bluer. You can look at my map from the other day to see how large our gains in East Texas were.

JI7

(89,244 posts)
13. They didn't ignore it, they just focused in other places in case we lost Florida
Thu Nov 12, 2020, 03:58 PM
Nov 2020

We put a lot into the state but there is only so much you can do.

I do think a ground campaign could have helped but it was understandable why they avoided it.

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
17. Exactly.
Thu Nov 12, 2020, 04:16 PM
Nov 2020

Yes, Trump's campaign ignored the pandemic and acted as if there was no virus.
But is that a good thing as the article seems to suggest? Somehow I doubt it. Author should look at what is going on with covid infections going through the roof, and then tell us how ignoring the virus is a good thing.

 

liskddksil

(2,753 posts)
19. Article has context
Thu Nov 12, 2020, 04:28 PM
Nov 2020

"For months, he had been pleading for help. Wills and his fiancée, Daniela Ferrera, a campaign volunteer, have blamed the campaign’s state leadership for contributing to Biden’s disastrous performance in Florida."

My Pet Orangutan

(9,231 posts)
18. Fuck Floria
Thu Nov 12, 2020, 04:21 PM
Nov 2020

Some men, (not just latinos) equated catching Covid with machismo. Others looked at Biden and saw Castro. Talk about a 'lost cause'.

Phoenix61

(17,000 posts)
21. DeSatan and Lil'Marco campaigned hard for the orange one.
Thu Nov 12, 2020, 04:48 PM
Nov 2020

It’s going to be a long time before Florida is ready to turn blue. It’s an incredibly diverse state and until the DNC recognizes that and campaigns that way it’s going to stay red.

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