lets be honest, 90% here will say Obama won no matter what re: the debate

[quinnox]

No matter even if Obama somehow did terrible (not expecting it), or Romney pulled of a miracle performance (again, not expecting it), most Duers will say Obama won the debate afterward. A quick reality check.

[dkf]

1. I think your estimate is low. More like 99%.

[ProSense]

4. Are you counting yourself in the 1 percent?

[dkf]

7. Don't know yet do I?

I'll put you as part of the 99%.

[ProSense]

10. But you apparently know what other people will do.

You wouldn't be hoping for a Romney win, would you? I mean, what's the hold out? Think the guy who doesn't know that the Cold War is over is going to magically become brilliant?

[dkf]

20. Not everyone else on an individual basis...

But you I know. Lol.

I'm still waiting to be wowed. It depresses me that no one is even trying. Where is Howard? I am dying to be inspired by someone...anyone! But there is nobody not even locally.

[ProSense]

26. Mitt will lose. I said it.

"I'm still waiting to be wowed. It depresses me that no one is even trying. Where is Howard? I am dying to be inspired by someone...anyone! But there is nobody not even locally."

You're waiting on the debates to be wowed, and unprepared to declare Obama the winner?

So you're harboring expectation that Romney will "wow" you?

Figures!

[dkf]

32. I said nobody has wowed me so no not Mitt.

He has been extremely disappointing considering he portrays himself as a fixer. He can't even fix his own campaign, how can he fix the country? And telling people he is going to win when you can tell he doesn't believe it himself? Ugh what a liar.

I want someone who tells the truth about our budget and tells us how to fix it. But no...I guess telling the truth doesn't get you elected. Howard Dean came the closest. Maybe Hillary will do it in 2016 but this Benghazi thing is going to hurt her.

[JaneyVee]

37. Ridiculously insulting to the posters here to make this statement and the OP's statement.

Pigeonholing and pre-judging isn't a Liberal trait.

[dkf]

38. Well then I take back the assumption I made that prosense above will think Obama won.

I will not prejudge her.

Sorry prosense.

[Cali_Democrat]

2. Because Romney's entire campaign is based on lies

It's not possible for him to "win" IMO.

[ProSense]

3. Seems like you're hoping Romney wins.

I mean, what's the point of this?

[FSogol]

6. The "bash Obama" crowd sure seems worried these days.

[quinnox]

9. Its just something that came to mind

I don't expect Romney to win, but even if he did, it wouldn't make any difference to most of us in terms of how we perceived the debate.

I was thinking about the Hillary-Obama contest, and how both sides of supporters would claim victory after every debate. But I don't want to start that up again.

[ProSense]

13. So now

"I don't expect Romney to win, but even if he did, it wouldn't make any difference to most of us in terms of how we perceived the debate."

...it's "us"?

" I was thinking about the Hillary-Obama contest, and how both sides of supporters would claim victory after every debate. But I don't want to start that up again."

Why on earth would you think that a similar situation would ensue with Romney? Did you forget he's a Republican, and one who lies and appears clueless?

[quinnox]

22. lol prosense, only you coud turn a light-hearted observation into the inquisition

not going to play along, today.

[ProSense]

23. "light-hearted observation"?

Seems like a pre-emptive strike at DUers.

Again, what's the point? It's not a Democratic primary debate.

[Chorophyll]

24. "...the Hillary-Obama contest..."

was a completely different story -- a matchup between two highly intelligent and articulate people, either one of whom I would gladly vote for any day.

[Tarheel_Dem]

17. "I mean, what's the point of this?" Attention!

[gkhouston]

5. No, if the President has a bad night, he has a bad night, and I'll say so.

And if Romney has a good night, I'll admit that, too.

Here's the thing: If Obama does badly, that is a bad night for him. If Romney does badly, it'll be just another day in the Campaign From Hell.

[quinnox]

11. good for you, you are objective

I try to be as well, its the best way to judge things fairly and with a clear eye IMHO.

[JoePhilly]

8. Attacking DU members ... well done. I'd expect that on a FOX site, but not here.

[Journeyman]

12. In 1960, Lenny Bruce called this phenomenon "the ear of the beholder". . .

since it didn't matter who he spoke with, partisans of both sides that year were convinced their man -- John Kennedy or Richard Nixon -- had handily won. It was so skewed, said Lenny, that a politician would have to go before the nation and say point blank, "I'm a liar and a crook and the worst possible person to be president," and even then some of his supporters would praise him for being an honest man.

And sure enough, 14 years later Dick Nixon himself proved Lenny prophetic.

So I have no illusions about the "debates" (or whatever silliness people wish to call them).

[babylonsister]

14. When you're right, you're right. But I expect Obama will

show his sense of humor, too. Since romney doesn't have one, that's a win! (Pre-empting you!)

[MoonRiver]

15. Not me.

I would be honest in my appraisal. Might not post my feelings here though. BUT, I do not think there's a chance he won't do well. Zingers aren't going to take Mitt across the finish line.

[Hoyt]

16. If he does really well, I'd admit it but say it's easy when you are a lying,

callous, Tbag pandering, pompous ass. Don't expect him to do well though.

[budkin]

18. That's how it will be on both sides... debates don't change anything

It's always been like that.

[dogman]

19. Yes but 110% of the other side will believe willard won.

That's after they unskew the numbers to account for GOP superiority.

[hay rick]

21. I'm saying he won BEFORE the debate takes place.

If he says what we can reasonably expect him to say and Romney says what he has been saying all along, there isn't much question about the outcome. The only real suspense is whether Romney embarrasses himself again or not.

[quinnox]

25. Odds are I would also take that bet

Its hard to imagine Obama losing to Romney, speaking objectively, he should win.

[JI7]

27. That is an Odd thing to say on this forum

[Deep13]

28. I have no intention of watching.

I know who I'm voting against. There is no point in watching a charade.

[quinnox]

30. awwww, it will be fun!

I guess you could just look at the highlights though, but I enjoy watching the debates!

[still_one]

29. I disagree. Yes we all have our bias, but in matters like this I think the assessment will

Be right on

From my recollection people were not that thrilled about Gore's performance, even though bush was not very good

Also, cloakley running against Scott brown did not perform well either

[ecstatic]

31. not necessarily. I think we'll accurately call the "optics"

of what happens, but let's be real: regardless of how good of a performance mitt puts on, it's all fake. He does not care about 100% as he claims. No amount of zingers will change that..

[Tarheel_Dem]

33. Maybe. Maybe not. But I bet I know who the tree dwellers are pulling for.

[fishwax]

34. I think that oversimplifies it quite a bit

If it's close, then yes, most DUers will say Obama won. That's natural and understandable, since there is rarely an objective "winner" of a debate--who wins depends entirely on who an individual thinks won. And the vast majority of DUers will be predisposed to favor the president. Nothing wrong with that.

If the night is a disaster, on the other hand, people will be much less ready to declare an outright winner but instead more likely to focus on the good moments from Obama and the bad moments from Romney. That's not to say, even in the event of a disaster, there wouldn't be some folks claiming he won, but it wouldn't be 90%. I think most posters would be more nuanced in their attempt to make lemonade.

[quinnox]

35. I take your point n/t

[Ter]

36. Thankfully, I'm in the reasonable 10%

Many here are delusional. I remember a day before the election in 2010, a lot of people still thought Republicans wouldn't win back the House. People thought Scott Brown would lose. Hell, what topped the cake is a poll I saw a day or two before the Scott Walker recall election. The writing was on the wall and the overwhelming majority in the DU poll said he would win. Insane.

People here are far too optimistic, and post far too much good news. Where's the bad news? Who so few posts of races we are losing?

[fishwax]

39. kicking this, becuase (to my surprise) there are all kinds of "OMG OBAMA IS LOSING!" posts tonight

[mzmolly]

40. Let's be honest

when people suggest blatant lies are 'winning' something is rotten...

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

41. Romney came off as smoother - Obama was a bit stiff

Romney made references to several studies to challenge Obama. That might impress people just based on the sound of it. But his approach to the economy is still trickle down. Obama at one point nailed him on his lack of facts regarding what he will do on taxes and loopholes, on regulation, on replacing Obamacare. Romney had the better style....but still absolutely zero substance.

[Ter]

42. You jinxed it

Somehow Rmoney had his best debate performance ever, and Obama had his worst. Polls overwhelmingly agree.