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Jspur

(578 posts)
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 11:15 AM Nov 2020

Can Trump fire Nuclear Missiles?

I guess I want to know if he can decide to push the button to fire them or does he need to have the approval of few other people before he can launch them? From what I have been reading about nuclear football it seems like no one could stop him if he really wanted to launch them.

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Can Trump fire Nuclear Missiles? (Original Post) Jspur Nov 2020 OP
It was disconnected for Nixon for a while. Turbineguy Nov 2020 #1
Who has the power to decide on disconnecting? SomedayKindaLove Nov 2020 #16
In the Nixon situation it was the Secretary of Defense Turbineguy Nov 2020 #26
Well he just fired the Secretary of Defense SomedayKindaLove Nov 2020 #28
Unfortunately, he can MiniMe Nov 2020 #2
That it is my fear that when it finally settles in for him that he's not Jspur Nov 2020 #3
No, HE cannot launch the missiles, dware Nov 2020 #4
So he only needs three cult members in this scenario? SomedayKindaLove Nov 2020 #15
In theory, yes, dware Nov 2020 #18
Well if he can get into a silo and light the fuze... sarisataka Nov 2020 #5
As someone kirkuchiyo Nov 2020 #8
Perhaps I was thinking of sarisataka Nov 2020 #9
Perhaps! :) kirkuchiyo Nov 2020 #12
You mean something like this? dware Nov 2020 #13
That had me laughing hard picturing Trump Jspur Nov 2020 #24
Dead Zone exboyfil Nov 2020 #6
Donnie's hand would be too small to be picked up by the scanner. Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2020 #27
Stillson's crony Sonny was there to make sure that didn't happen. Aristus Nov 2020 #30
He's firing everything else. n/t Harker Nov 2020 #7
Lol for some reason I can laugh Jspur Nov 2020 #10
It's not always easy. Harker Nov 2020 #19
He can order a nuclear strike. Turin_C3PO Nov 2020 #11
Exactly. nt dware Nov 2020 #14
My understanding is that the 'two man rule' applies all the way through the system, as you note. Strelnikov_ Nov 2020 #20
Too late for the missile subs. It would take time to transmit orders to submerged subs. Faster and... machoneman Nov 2020 #22
You are correct, dware Nov 2020 #23
Only if McTurtle gives him one Cartaphelius Nov 2020 #17
More than the 2 man rule methinks. IIRC, the order goes 1st to.... machoneman Nov 2020 #21
.... dware Nov 2020 #25
It's that line of people that extends from him to the silo... tandem5 Nov 2020 #29

Turbineguy

(37,295 posts)
26. In the Nixon situation it was the Secretary of Defense
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 12:44 PM
Nov 2020

They don't really have it, but they took it. I don't know if any of these clowns have the kind of courage it takes to keep a madman from blowing up the world.

SomedayKindaLove

(529 posts)
28. Well he just fired the Secretary of Defense
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 01:04 PM
Nov 2020

Who has been quoted as essentially saying, ‘If he hires a yes man, god help us.”

Jspur

(578 posts)
3. That it is my fear that when it finally settles in for him that he's not
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 11:20 AM
Nov 2020

going to win that he will become even crazier and more vindictive. I think there is a chance this man could decide to end the world simply because he has nothing to look forward to.

dware

(12,264 posts)
4. No, HE cannot launch the missiles,
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 11:23 AM
Nov 2020

the football is a communication device, not a button the movies like to portray, also, the actual firing requires 2 people turning keys at the same time and they have to agree that the order is legit, also, I believe that the Pres. has to have another person authenticate the launch codes before any launch order is sent to the various nuclear missile commands.

dware

(12,264 posts)
18. In theory, yes,
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 11:47 AM
Nov 2020

but, again, the actual launching is much more complicated than that, there are numerous safe guards against such a scenario.

sarisataka

(18,501 posts)
5. Well if he can get into a silo and light the fuze...
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 11:23 AM
Nov 2020

Does the President need to get approval from anyone- no

So if he gives the order will the missles launch- maybe

The football is not a button connected directly to the missiles. It sends codes down the chain of command to people who would carry out a launch order. If an out-of-the-blue order comes to launch, those people will ask questions and for confirmation.

kirkuchiyo

(402 posts)
8. As someone
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 11:26 AM
Nov 2020

who has been under one of those missiles, there isn't a fuse. Not to mention his fat ass wouldn't fit under there anyways...

Also not recommended for people who are scared of heights...

exboyfil

(17,862 posts)
6. Dead Zone
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 11:23 AM
Nov 2020

Greg Stillson : You put your god damn hand on that scanning screen, or I'll hack it off and put it on for you!



The General was a pussy. He should have attacked Stillson instead. Not saying it would work.

Aristus

(66,294 posts)
30. Stillson's crony Sonny was there to make sure that didn't happen.
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 01:45 PM
Nov 2020

In the book, Sonny went from leather-and-denim outlaw biker to suit-and-tie enforcer over the course of Stillson’s political career.

Turin_C3PO

(13,912 posts)
11. He can order a nuclear strike.
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 11:29 AM
Nov 2020

But the actual launching has to be done by two other people, I believe. I'm quite sure that the order would be disobeyed unless there was a clear, legitimate reason for such a strike.

Strelnikov_

(7,772 posts)
20. My understanding is that the 'two man rule' applies all the way through the system, as you note.
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 11:57 AM
Nov 2020

From CIC authorizing the release of nuclear weapons, to the 'Pentagon' command chain, to the LCF's in the high plains and the boomer's out in the ocean where the actual 'button' is pushed.

machoneman

(3,999 posts)
22. Too late for the missile subs. It would take time to transmit orders to submerged subs. Faster and...
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 12:06 PM
Nov 2020

...far more worrisome is a land-based launch of our siloed missiles.

machoneman

(3,999 posts)
21. More than the 2 man rule methinks. IIRC, the order goes 1st to....
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 12:03 PM
Nov 2020

...the JCS generals on call at that moment. 2 of them have to agree to pass along the order. Then, in missile silos. once the order is received and verified, the two AF officers on call must agree, open safes, grab 2 keys and then turn both to affect a launch. Movies, SAC videos, media videos have cataloged these steps in numerous episodes, broadcasts, etc.

Sadly though, yes he can start the process as CIC.

dware

(12,264 posts)
25. ....
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 12:11 PM
Nov 2020
Sadly though, yes he can start the process as CIC


Luckily, there are numerous safeguards built into the system to stop a madman, like Pissolini.

tandem5

(2,072 posts)
29. It's that line of people that extends from him to the silo...
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 01:41 PM
Nov 2020

There aren't any special codes that circumvent human judgement, but he can also control who those people are.

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