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DIVINEprividence

(443 posts)
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 05:12 PM Nov 2020

I will settle Democratic inter party fighting right now

Both sides are partly right. AOC is right. Going too heavy on virtual hurt our ground game and we need to step up Latino outreach. Centrists are right “Democratic Socialism” and “Defund the Police” are examples of terrible progressive messaging run amok that killed us in swing states. So up the ground game, step up Latino outreach and replace “Democratic Socialist” with “Liberal” and “Defund the Police” with “Comprehensive Criminal Justice Reform”. Problem solved. Now let’s go kick some ass in these Georgia Senate races. We are all on the same team and we have the final showdown in just a few weeks. No time to fuck around!!!!

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I will settle Democratic inter party fighting right now (Original Post) DIVINEprividence Nov 2020 OP
Democratic. Democratic intra-party fighting. nt coti Nov 2020 #1
This internecine fighting is NOT what we need right now. That's all I have to say. hlthe2b Nov 2020 #2
Democrat-IC. marybourg Nov 2020 #3
DemocratIC, please. lagomorph777 Nov 2020 #4
Stop majoring in minor things DIVINEprividence Nov 2020 #7
Hmmm, so you are INTENTIONALLY insulting the party, got it. Eliot Rosewater Nov 2020 #8
See the article linked in my post#9. To continue misnaming Democratic Party is a SLUR hlthe2b Nov 2020 #14
It's not minor. cwydro Nov 2020 #19
Repeat ater me "DemocraTIC" is an adjective. "Democrat" is a noun. nt Binkie The Clown Nov 2020 #5
EDIT your OP please democratIC Eliot Rosewater Nov 2020 #6
Please read this and recognize why it is DEMOCRATIC Party hlthe2b Nov 2020 #9
Thank you for posting this.. PoiBoy Nov 2020 #16
Thank you. cwydro Nov 2020 #17
IMO, Joe needs to mediate this right now... regnaD kciN Nov 2020 #10
Well, Sherman A1 Nov 2020 #11
Dem. Socialist and liberal are not equivalent. aidbo Nov 2020 #12
Until BannonsLiver Nov 2020 #13
i agree.... samnsara Nov 2020 #15
I agree...I think both sides are correct in many ways Wanderlust988 Nov 2020 #18
Well, 3 badmouthing well over 200 Dem colleagues is not "infighting." Hortensis Nov 2020 #20
We've tried "criminal justice reform." intheflow Nov 2020 #21

hlthe2b

(102,109 posts)
2. This internecine fighting is NOT what we need right now. That's all I have to say.
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 05:14 PM
Nov 2020

Damn it.. Help us truly end Trumpism and then we can fight over the best way to rise from the ashes.

hlthe2b

(102,109 posts)
14. See the article linked in my post#9. To continue misnaming Democratic Party is a SLUR
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 05:23 PM
Nov 2020

I understand if you did not know the history or are grammatically unaware, but please realize to continue to do so is going to cause you problems here.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
19. It's not minor.
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 05:48 PM
Nov 2020

Please look up the difference between inter and intra if you choose to ignore what others are telling you.

hlthe2b

(102,109 posts)
9. Please read this and recognize why it is DEMOCRATIC Party
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 05:19 PM
Nov 2020
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2006/08/07/the-ic-factor

There’s no great mystery about the motives behind this deliberate misnaming. “Democrat Party” is a slur, or intended to be—a handy way to express contempt. Aesthetic judgments are subjective, of course, but “Democrat Party” is jarring verging on ugly. It fairly screams “rat.” At a slightly higher level of sophistication, it’s an attempt to deny the enemy the positive connotations of its chosen appellation. During the Cold War, many people bridled at obvious misnomers like “German Democratic Republic,” and perhaps there are some members of the Republican Party (which, come to think of it, has been drifting toward monarchism of late) who genuinely regard the Democratic Party as undemocratic. Perhaps there are some who hope to induce it to go out of existence by refusing to call it by its name, à la terming Israel “the Zionist entity.” And no doubt there are plenty of others who say “Democrat Party” just to needle the other side while signaling solidarity with their own—the partisan equivalent of flashing a gang sign. --snip--

The job of politicians, however, is different, and among those of the Republican persuasion “Democrat Party” is now nearly universal. This is partly the work of Newt Gingrich, the nominal author of the notorious 1990 memo “Language: A Key Mechanism of Control,” and his Contract with America pollster, Frank Luntz, the Johnny Appleseed of such linguistic innovations as “death tax” for estate tax and “personal accounts” for Social Security privatization. Luntz, who road-tested the adjectival use of “Democrat” with a focus group in 2001, has concluded that the only people who really dislike it are highly partisan adherents of the—how you say?—Democratic Party. “Those two letters actually do matter,” Luntz said the other day. He added that he recently finished writing a book—it’s entitled “Words That Work”—and has been diligently going through the galley proofs taking out the hundreds of “ic”s that his copy editor, one of those partisan Dems, had stuck in.

regnaD kciN

(26,044 posts)
10. IMO, Joe needs to mediate this right now...
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 05:20 PM
Nov 2020

He’s the only one who can generate party unity, which we’re going to need come January.

BannonsLiver

(16,288 posts)
13. Until
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 05:22 PM
Nov 2020

There is understanding that what works in a D+30 district is different than what works in a R+5 district this will go on.

Wanderlust988

(509 posts)
18. I agree...I think both sides are correct in many ways
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 05:48 PM
Nov 2020

I think after 2018, the progressive left overplayed their hand a bit and thought the whole country was ready for a revolution and it turns out it wasn't true. Our party wasn't even ready for a 'revolution' as Biden won the primaries.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
20. Well, 3 badmouthing well over 200 Dem colleagues is not "infighting."
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 05:59 PM
Nov 2020

That really needs to be pointed out.

I'm sure the 3 would be absolutely thrilled if their troublemaking even qualified as a little "squabble," but how could it? I guarantee you the others are much too busy getting ready for 2021 and also far too smart to gratify their desire for attention.

Except for Manchin, riding the ideological knife edge in WV, who finds throwing an over-publicized nya-nya at the tiny socialist trio useful for appeasing the trumpists in his district. Their exchanges of shafts benefit them all, and don't they all know it.

As for the 200 or so total from our two ideologically liberal progressive (!) caucuses, they're still extremely unified in goals and against the Republicans, just differing on details. Many are currently maneuvering for committee assignments and leadership positions in the 117th congress, as they do every 2 years, and there are some sharp words and elbows being thrown among themselves there. Of course.

intheflow

(28,442 posts)
21. We've tried "criminal justice reform."
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 09:03 PM
Nov 2020

The cops are forced to go to a 2-hr diversity training and then get lots more money and retired military equipment. Defund the police and criminal justice reform aren't even the same thing. Defunding means reallocation of police department budgets to less cops and more social service responders to many 911 calls. Criminal justice reform still frames the issue as assuming criminality in most 911 calls. That's exactly the mindset we have to get rid of; most calls to cops do not require someone who responds with a gun and cuffs.

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