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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHow about "De-Militarize" the Police?
It's a police department, not an occupying army. So, there's no need for military grade weaponry or tanks or military style tactics like shock and awe.
But more importantly, just like we shouldn't use our military to solve international disputes when diplomacy is the much better alternative (see the Iran nuclear deal), we shouldn't use our police to solve social problems of unemployment, lack of education, lack of mental health care, etc.
So, no. Don't say "De-Fund the Police" which is a completely unrealistic, politically ignorant slogan. Say, "De-Militarize the Police" which means don't convert our police force into occupying armies.
Finally, end the drug war. That would go a long way towards putting certain populations in conflict with the police.
Zoonart
(11,832 posts)wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)try again.
questionseverything
(9,645 posts)Once their get out of jail free card was gone most could at least act reformed
Zoonart
(11,832 posts)Ms. Toad
(33,992 posts)it never really results in any meaningful reform.
ananda
(28,834 posts)..
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still_one
(92,061 posts)GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)Even many right wingers I know are tired of over aggressive cops.
They kill black folks. But many treat the white folks they stop like shit. They are too often high school graduates who saw police academy as the easiest way to make a living and live feeling like a winner in society. Not all Ive known buy a long shot. But plenty.
Celerity
(43,096 posts)provocative)
My fear is that the whole police issue is now considered so toxic that many will be afraid to do much of anything that will have true impact, and we will continue to have white power coppers murdering us PoC, which will in turn lead to more protests (with the RW going agent provocateur again to ensure violence) and the whole cycle starts all over again. There surely are multiple powerful motives for the RW to hope for more killings, as it presents more opportunities to frame us for another kneecapping, it feeds the fear of the other amongst white voters (when mass protests occur), plus they get their nazi bonus of more dead black and brown people.
Ms. Toad
(33,992 posts)Defund the police doesn't work for me - not because I disagree with the definition that many use (which is shifting money away from police to other resources more likely to create a truly safe community) - but becase to be effective slogans need (at least) two characteristics: (1) they have to require little to no explanation to convey the gist of what they mean and (2) those using the slogans have to largely agree on what they mean.
"Defund the police" instantly brings to mind taking all the money away from the police - and requires quite a bit of explanation to get to what is really meant - which brings us to the second problem: Many who use the slogan do - literally - mean take all the money away from the police. So some of those using the slogan are promoting the thing that many fear the most - while others are saying, "No, we don't really mean that!"
De-militarize the police is fine on both accounts, but even if we demilitarize the police that doesn't address the problem that existed long before police were militarized: police violence against (especially) minority individuals - and the corresponding lack of community support systems that would minimize the need/opportunities for police intervention.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)them having superior resources. If they are going after some kid or supposed petty criminal, not necessary.
Reform seems OK.
Yavin4
(35,421 posts)That would be the job of the FBI.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)wingers decide to cause a problem.
brush
(53,741 posts)oasis
(49,326 posts)obamanut2012
(26,046 posts)I have been using "Humanize," but yours is way better.
relayerbob
(6,537 posts)Ia gree with our analysis. That's the issue, and that phrase focusses attention to the right location.
JCMach1
(27,553 posts)obamanut2012
(26,046 posts)ALL of these work well.
I am 100% all for defunding the police, but that is a loser slogan and has been since the beginning. It didn't fly even with my friends and family who loathe what LEO are like in this country.
End Of The Road
(1,397 posts)I havent smoked marijuana since waaaay back in the day. Id be a much happier camper if I had some now.
genxlib
(5,518 posts)Is gun control.
One of the reasons that police are so heavily armed is because the population that they serve is increasingly more heavily armed.
One of the reasons that the police often escalate situations unnecessarily is that they have come to treat every interaction as potentially lethal.
Everything noted above is true and necessary but it really helps to acknowledge the source of the inherent conflict.