Experts Analyze 2020 Increase in White Women Who Voted For Trump MSNBC

[DonCoquixote]

Sorry to be mean, but the stats do not lie. Though frankly, I have no idea WHY. Watch this, before you dismiss it.

[Hekate]

1. How did ANYBODY vote for Trump? Read today's Letters page in the LA Times...

How did ANYBODY vote for Trump? Read today's Letters page in the LA Times...

The Letters editor decided to devote the entire page today to their plaintive wails that they are not racists. That they are simply voting their wallets, and that (their) religious freedom means everything to them, and that he is protecting the unborn, and other countries need to pay their fair share, and he’s good for the country...

They self-identify as male, female, white, black — well, you get the picture. Something from every demographic in America. 70,000,000+ voters.

So deal with it. As a white woman and lifelong Democrat, I’m sincerely sick of reading that “white women” are at fault for having brought us Trump in 2016.

Just deal with it. Every single city, town, village, rural grange, university, community college, church, synagogue, neighborhood, and family has Trump voters within it.

This is a nationwide malady.

[StarfishSaver]

13. When over 50% of white people (who still comprise the majority) vote for Trump

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Leaving it to 90+% of black people having to bust our asses, stand in hours-long lines, put up with often terrifying threats and intimidation in order to save this country, you're damned right we're going to talk about the f*cked up choices a majority of white voters insist on making.

And don't try to blame it on black and brown people or demand we share the blame for it. This is NOT a nationwide malady. It's bad enough that black people are expected to rescue the country from white voters. But don't even think about blaming is for what they do. This is a problem that white people need to address

[Aepps22]

29. Agreed

Sick of the whataboutism that goes on here when White Women get called out.

[tblue37]

38. +1. nt

[Hekate]

46. Self deleted

Pointless Albatross

[Guilded Lilly]

14. I echo your sentiments...

Knock off the bemoaning of white women voting for the Cretin.
According to the graph in that clip:
58% of white men voted for the jerk. ( more than the whole percentage of white women)
5% MORE Black men voted for the jerk than in 2016
4% MORE Black women...
4% MORE Latina women...
3% MORE Latino men...
3% MoRE White women...

Seems to me the % were ALL disappointing.
The blame is quite evenly spread.
We are dealing with a lot of people with a crappy mindset and even crappier sense of decency.
Our battles are not nearly over.
All of us.

We won. I’m happy to deal with that!

[marmar]

20. 90 percent of African Americans and 60+ percent of Latinos/Latinas voted for Biden.

The blame is not evenly spread, sorry.

[LeftInTX]

35. Not in South Texas!

We have a few borderland counties that went for Trump and Trump gained 300,000 votes in the region. (The county that went for Trump went for Hillary by 30%)

Biden carried most counties, but by a significantly much less margin than Hillary did!

The population is 95% Mexican-American, so there is no need for exit polling. Many of them have family that work in law enforcement and border patrol or the oil and gas industry. Most Democrats in the Rio Grande Valley are conservative Dems.

[marmar]

36. Nationally, though, it was 60+ percent.

My point is that people shouldn't be pathologizing the votes of African Americans and Latinos. Clearly, they aren't the biggest problem.

[Guilded Lilly]

39. The blame in the percentage of Cretin "voter differences", is...

what was evenly spread. That was my attempted point. I probably clouded that up in my commentary.

Personally, I feel that women of color saved our country.

[StarfishSaver]

52. No. Nope. Nope

When a majority of white women and a significant majority of white men vote for Trump and 90 percent of black people vote against him, the blame is NOT evenly spread around.

Stop it.

[Rice4VP]

56. 92% of Black women voted for Biden...

That’s no where near “even”

[Mike Nelson]

2. I think...

... the "defund the police" movement and FOX' "rioters and looters" scare tactics may have had an effect.

[ananda]

4. I know it.

I know women who are still posting pro-police
stuff on FB.

[Skittles]

18. pro-police is not the problem

anti-BLM is the problem

[ananda]

42. I see your point.

They kinda go together though, since BLM
was callng to defund the police, who white
racist women see as "essential."

[Skittles]

48. the police ARE essential

to EVERYONE

[shanti]

44. My aunt still is

but she's getting pushback from her own daughter!

[NurseJackie]

5. That was a mistake that hurt us badly.

[DonCoquixote]

8. defund the police was mistated

However, after ferguson where cops had literal tanks, or 20 odd killing of unarmed people, does that mean we ingore all of that because we better not tick off the boys in blue?

[NurseJackie]

16. It's unclear to me how you arrived at that conclusion...

does that mean we ingore all of that because we better not tick off the boys in blue?

It's unclear to me how you arrived at that conclusion... based on my previous statement.

[Statistical]

17. We don't ignore it. The mistake though was in the naming "defund the police" WTF??????

I swear some (not all but some) progressives are so focused on being extreme and edgy. Yeah police reform doesn't sound as sexy as "defund the police". What a clusterfuck on a 100% unforced error. It is also something Democratic candidates will get hit with for 20+ years.

I know the first time any GOP strategist heard progressives chanting "defund the police" they were crying for joy. Probably cost us 3% nationwide.

[Drunken Irishman]

21. No one, not even moderates on the left, were saying ignore it.

But the optics were not good.

It was not good when the mayor of Minneapolis was shouted down, jeered and booed out of a rally, where he was supporting their movement, because he wouldn't say, "defund the police". It was embarrassing.

It was not good optics when Portland saw wave after wave of protests, some who were rioting and looting, for weeks on end, especially when most those protesters were white.

It was not good optics when Kenosha was looted. Biden actually did worse in Kenosha than Hillary four years ago.

Those optics, despite everyone saying otherwise, hurt. Fortunately, Biden is a reasonable guy and didn't take the bait and had a reasonable answer for the 'defund the police' crowd.

[DonCoquixote]

6. as if that did not male voting for trump worng?

Let's just someone hates defund the police (admittedly poorly worded), or riots (although they come after an unarmed black person was shot), Do they realy want to be supported by someone that talked about grabbing women by the (censored?). Do they really think someone who has the history f hatinh women could do that, no? What I want to know is, nothign mroe and less than what went wrong? BTW, I am puerto rican in florida who has pretty much had screaming matches with my relatives because they became the latest banner the trumpers parade around.

[uponit7771]

51. No, polling would've no doubt shown this nearly 3 months ago (link inside)

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214551130

[apcalc]

3. This data is skewed-does not account for mail in /absentee ballots.

Maybe of those who voted on election day.... but a vast number of Dems did not vote in person.

[Etherealoc1]

9. I agree with you

You beat me to it.

[Crunchy Frog]

10. Are they really going only by election day exit polling?

I would hope that they would be doing more sophisticated studies of voting patterns before throwing those kinds of numbers around, and I hope they did.

In any event, the Dems can't afford to dismiss ANY demographic from their coalition. A balkanized Democratic Party will become a permanent minority party.

[Drunken Irishman]

22. Exit polls DO account for early votes.

https://www.cnn.com/election/2020/exit-polls/president/national-results

Exit polls are surveys of a random sample of voters taken as they leave their polling place on election day. Absentee and early voters are represented by either telephone polls or in-person exit polls at early voting locations. Pollsters use the results to assess the makeup and opinions of the electorate. Read how exit polls work during a pandemic.

[apcalc]

33. How do they know who to call? PLUS I never answer calls. Most people don't.

Further, note EVERY GROUP in your data has higher percentages for Trump, except white men?

Can’t be accurate.

[Drunken Irishman]

34. They have access to voter data.

They likely culled the data and called.

At the end of the day, the exit polls had Biden winning the popular vote nationally 51.24 to 47.2, which is almost exactly where he is currently.

Now it's possible as more data comes in, the exit polls are adjusted. Biden may exceed the popular vote total in the final exit polls.

[Thekaspervote]

24. This is the most logical explanation

[Etherealoc1]

7. I would like to see the actual votes

The exit polls on in person voting will lean heavily Republican.

Let's see the breakdown for all white female voters.

[Boogiemack]

11. Here is what Trump is probably thinking as his motorcade passes his screaming supporters:

"Look at those sucker. Can you believe it. They still love the hell out of me. Glad I don't have to shake hands with those disgusting idiots."

[JI7]

12. White women attacks on Harris Remind me of the attacks on Meghan Markle

which come mostly from white women.

[StarfishSaver]

15. And the kneejerk wagon circling ("Don't blame white women!") here is very interesting, here

[Aepps22]

31. Typical

They try to change the subject and mention marginal increases among Black men like it's the same thing.

[StarfishSaver]

50. Yes

Question: "Why did 55% of white women vote for Trump?"

Response: "First of all, it's too early to know what percentage of anybody voted for Trump. And, NOT ALL WHITE WOMEN voted for Trump. But that's beside the point so let's not talk about that. What we should talk about is why did TEN PERCENT of BLACK MEN vote for Trump?"

[Rice4VP]

23. Look, I think some didn't want the first woman in the

Executive office to be half Black and half Indian. But, I’m still confused about why they didn’t come out to support Hillary when the opportunity to be the first was there. Some women don’t think women should lead.....

[JI7]

41. No, these are women who are just racists and don't like Hillary either

[betsuni]

55. According to research:

"Why did Clinton fail to perform better among women voters? One reason is the weaker gender solidarity among women. For example, in the September 2016 wave of the Presidential Election Panel Study, only about a third of women said that being a woman was 'extremely important' to their identity, while 61 percent of blacks said their race was 'extremely important.' That lack of gender solidarity was politically consequential too. Hillary Clinton was significantly less popular than Obama was among the majority of women who did not see gender as extremely important to their identities. Thus, Clinton's performance among women in both the Democratic primary and the general election confirmed past research showing that race and partisanship are more important than gender in how people vote. The salience of race and partisanship helps explain why Clinton lost white women by 9 points -- a deficit larger than Barack Obama's in 2008 and Al Gore's in 2000.

"The weak effects of gender consciousness are not surprising. Unlike racial solidarity among African-Americans, or racial attitudes among whites, gender consciousness has not typically been a substantial force in modern American political behavior. As the political scientists Nancy Burns and Donald Kinder have written, 'The social organization of race emphasizes separation between whites and blacks. Separation fosters solidarity among African Americans. Integration impairs solidarity among women.'"

Sides, Tesler, Vevreck, "Identity Crisis, The 2016 Presidential Campaign and the Battle for the Meaning of America"

[LeftInTX]

37. I'm pretty sure those women are Republican anyway

They probably did not vote for Obama

[JI7]

40. Yes, this is true and not for Hillary either

[shanti]

45. Fun Fact:

Jill Biden and Prince Harry are BFFs!

[42bambi]

47. I believe most of those white women were Republicans.

[NurseJackie]

19. I suspect that many or most of these women are treated as chattel...

... and they vote they way their husbands tell them to. And, with vote-by-mail (rather than a private voting booth) it's easier for their vote to be confirmed by their domineering husbands.

Just a theory. I don't know for sure. But it certainly makes sense and seems plausible.

[luv2fly]

25. I ruffled the same feathers a few days or so ago

So it goes...

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214502553

[Phoenix61]

26. These are based are exit polls, right?

Which of course use a completely different paradigm than the pre-election polls that were wrong, by a lot.

[marmar]

27. White (repug) voter stats tend to be exacerbated by the South and the Heartland states.....

.... but yeah, I don't get it.

[dsc]

28. we have no idea at all if those stats are accurate

this is the first election in which massive numbers of the country voted early and we have no idea the extent to which pollsters got the adjustment correct. I have to say that all of what he heard can't be correct. Trump can't have gotten a higher percent of all classes of voters and still lost. And supposedly he did just that.

[Drunken Irishman]

32. I do agree with some of the demographics likely not being as accurate

But the overall gender breakdown of the CNN exit polls have the final nationwide results going Biden (based on the amount who took the survey, +the share of the vote from each gender + the share of the vote each candidate received from each gender):

Biden: 51.24
Trump: 47.2

Which ... is roughly where the popular vote is right now (50.8-47.2).

[LeftInTX]

30. Campaigns have access to scores, surveys, spouses and voting history etc

We should reach out to all those we feel will vote for us.

I think there are many white women who are frequent, reliable voters and you can tell from their history where they are at. I don't think we will change their minds if they are Republican. Some are fickle, but if you see a pattern, it's not going to change based on Trump's "grab'em by the p_____" video. They voted for him in 2016, so I don't think anything has changed because the "grab'em" video was the lowest, I feel with regards to women.

I am careful when there is a new relationship..sometimes someone might be a lukewarm Democrat, then they marry a Republican and they switch. A strong Democrat will rarely switch.

I agree with what they said about Melania. She is no victim.

[42bambi]

43. Either way, Trump's purpose to divide us worked. Too many factors came into play among

all voters. Now we know. Now we reunite.

[smirkymonkey]

49. I'm still having a hard time believing this.

Because about 90% of the white women I know despise Trump and voted against him. Of course, I have a select group of friends and acquaintances who align with my values, but outside of the red states, I just am not buying this. I think this number was taken from exit polls on election day which was heavily skewed toward republicans. Most Democrats voted by mail or drop box and nobody is "exit polling" them.

[kcr]

53. The stats do not lie. Right wingers voted in person.

Which has skewed these results. We won't know until all the votes are counted. But, that's no fun is it?

[StevieM]

54. Biden seems to have lost a little bit of ground--not much, but a little--with a few groups.

White women, Latinos, even black voters.

But he made up a ton of lost ground with white men. That is what allowed him to win, while Hillary lost.

It seems that white men were the most likely to buy into the fake email controversy. And white men were the most influenced by James Comey's antics.

[radius777]

57. Educated white women do lean Dem

and do help us with the oh-so crucial suburbs, which are the swing vote in America. That 'Cindy McCain' type of vote did in fact come through for us all over the country. Many of them are more liberal than people realize and will support many progressive policies, although it has to be messaged to them properly. Ezra Klein did a good podcast on this awhile back, was very interesting.

But white women overall (especially the working class ones) tend to be almost as right wing and misogynist as white men. Even the younger/middle age white women who are not as religious tend to be. As a gen-x man of color who grew up with many of them I know how they think, and it's far more complex than the typical explanations. Some of them are feminists who shifted to Trump on the basis of viewing men of color (especially blacks and muslims) as 'rapists' and criminals who are out to hurt them. They see Trump as their protector and overlook his own infractions with women because he is a white man. Sad but true.

Overall, as Dems we need self reflection, if we are too improve.

Trumpism works not just because he's a master conman - but due to the issues he ran on - namely immigration, terrorism and trade - that resonates with even some groups that historically voted Dem. We need to show voters we do in fact believe strongly in border security and controls on immigration while doing it in a humane way, that we're tough on terrorism (Islamic, white nationalist and otherwise) and that we can be tough on China and fight for American jobs and force them to adhere to environmental and labor standards. If we do those things I think we can easily get back some of those Latinos, women and others we lost to Trump and build a broad coalition to do progressive things on core issues like healthcare, economics, climate and police reform.