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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDoes anyone remember Barbara Tuchman's book A Distant Mirror?
It was about the sociological, economic, and historic consequences of the black plague in the 1300s. When it was published in the early 90s, people were afraid of the rising numbers of AIDS patients and the fact that there was no treatment. That was the reason for the title. I'm wondering if we have the imagination to project what happens when covid-19 deaths and longterm effects are in the millions.
ananda
(28,858 posts)It also highlighted the class divide, and the way the
nobles of manors controlled the peasants and ended
uprisings.
This was very eye-opening.
SharonAnn
(13,772 posts)SharonAnn
(13,772 posts)Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)The Blue Flower
(5,442 posts)What I remember was all the attention it got as AIDS arose as an issue.
Mister Ed
(5,930 posts)Subtitle was, "The Calamitous Fourteenth Century", and calamitous it was. The Black Plague, though indescribably horrifying, was only part of the picture.
Very well-written book. A history that read like a novel.
lanlady
(7,134 posts)Many years ago I visited Coucy le Chateau to discover the place that Tuchman wrote about. I met and fell in love with a Frenchman there. Although we never married, we stayed in touch over the years and we have visited the chateau together many times since.
Roi ne suis, ne prince, ne duc, ne comte aussi; Je suis le sire de Coucy
Crunchy Frog
(26,579 posts)a black plague comparison isn't really relevant.
The fatality rate for the 1918 flu was much larger, and it was largely forgotten.
Pacifist Patriot
(24,653 posts)Originally published in 1978, it's an excellent book.
To answer your query, no, I do not think most of us have the capacity to truly comprehend what the sociological, economic, and historic consequences will be. I have my suspicions, but I expect I'll be wrong. I hope I'll be very very wrong in a good way.
colsohlibgal
(5,275 posts)It has been awhile since I have read it but might have to read it again.
Hekate
(90,662 posts)I made no connection to AIDS, though. The Black Death played no favorites, and you couldnt just decide to abstain or do safe sex. People locked themselves in their homes or castles, and still it entered (they didnt know about rats or fleas).
However recent comments by historians pointed out the degree to which European social structures were upended by so much death so fast. Some have said it presaged the end of the Middle Ages, ultimately presaging the Renaissance. I cant quite recall how they figured that latter...
So here we are. COVID is an extreme disruptor of social norms, as well as a killer. Work from home, schools out, millions unemployed overnight. Jareds property managers are poised to evict hundreds of tenants into a dark and terrible winter, and I am sure they are not the only ones.
No Renaissance in sight.
earthside
(6,960 posts)... I just finished reading it yesterday.
Tuchman is a great author.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,852 posts)For an excellent fictional depiction of the black death, read The Doomsday Book by Connie Willis.
tblue37
(65,340 posts)PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,852 posts)And Connie Willis is one of my favorite writers. I know she's working on a book about Roswell, and I can hardly wait for it to come out.
tblue37
(65,340 posts)PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,852 posts)Have you read Blackout and All Clear?
tblue37
(65,340 posts)PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,852 posts)You will really like them.
Because I go to s-f things, I have met Connie a number of times. She is one of the sharpest, funniest human beings I have ever met.
Celerity
(43,333 posts)The Black Death (1347-1350) was a pandemic that devastated the populations of Europe and Asia. The plague was an unprecedented human tragedy in Italy. It not only shook Italian society but transformed it. The Black Death marked an end of an era in Italy, its impact was profound, and it resulted in wide-ranging social, economic, cultural and religious changes.[1] These changes, directly and indirectly, led to the emergence of the Renaissance, one of the greatest epochs for art, architecture, and literature in human history.
The Impact of the Plague of Italy
To Black Death spread to Italy from modern-day Russia. Genoese merchants spread the plague while fleeing a Mongol attack on their trading post in Crimea. The plague was carried and spread by the fleas that lived on the Black Rat and brought to Italy on the Genoese ships.[2] The population of Italy was ill prepared for the spread of the disease. There had been a series of famine and food shortages in the region, and the population was weak and vulnerable to disease, and furthermore, the population did not have any natural resistance to the disease. Italy was the most urbanized society in Europe, Milan, Rome, Florence, and other Italian centers among the largest on the continent.[3] The majority of the urban population in cities such as Naples were impoverished and lived in squalid and dirty conditions. These factors ensured that the diseases spread quickly and that there was a high level of mortality, among the poor, although even the rich could not escape the plague.[4] From the cities, the plague spread like wildfire to the small towns and villages of the peninsula.
There is no firm data on the impact of the plague on the population of Italy. However, some examples show the full extent of the disease in Italy. The plague halved the population of Florence. The population crashed and fell from approximately 100,000 to 50,000. The experience of Florence was replicated across all the major cities of Italy which also experienced similar drastic declines. The death rate in rural Italy was not nearly as high, but there was a significant loss of life. In general, the total population of Italy may have dropped by as much as a third.[5] The Black Death was also an economic crisis as trade ceased because of fear of the spread of plague. As trade stagnated, businesses failed, and unemployment rose. The plague caused a complete social breakdown in many areas. Boccaccio in the Decameron, describes people abandoning their occupations, ignoring the sick and living lives of wild excess, as everyone expected to die.
"Thus, doing exactly as they prescribed, they spent day and night moving from one tavern to the next, drinking without mode or measure, or doing the same thing in other people's homes, engaging only in those activities that gave them pleasure .. And they combined this bestial behavior with as complete an avoidance of the sick as they could manage."[6]
Socio-Economic Consequences............
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great short podcast on the subject of the Black Death and other plagues
Hardcore History 13 - Bubonic Nukes
https://pca.st/episode/a5a57e4c-81fa-4807-b9cb-b9cd42848a55
What would happen if half the population died in a short period of time? Dan looks at the Black Death and other plagues that created almost apocalyptic conditions in the past...and maybe in the future.
pecosbob
(7,538 posts)bif
(22,697 posts)I bought it years ago and never read it. Just put in on my nightstand and am going to dig into it tonight!
jeffreyi
(1,939 posts)Now there was an historian.