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Nevilledog

(51,031 posts)
Sat Nov 14, 2020, 10:05 PM Nov 2020

What It Took To Keep The Postal Service From Handing Trump The Election



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Kyle Griffin
@kylegriffin1
Public pressure and lawsuits kept the USPS from handing Trump the election: Experts believe what made the difference was enormous public pressure, multiple lawsuits, scrutiny from courts, voters mailing ballots early, and legions of dedicated USPS workers.

What It Took To Keep The Postal Service From Handing Trump The Election
“The point here is not just about election outcomes. It’s about honoring the sacred right to vote.”
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7:00 PM · Nov 14, 2020
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What It Took To Keep The Postal Service From Handing Trump The Election (Original Post) Nevilledog Nov 2020 OP
How many ballots never got counted, we need to know that. Eliot Rosewater Nov 2020 #1
Thousands of mailed ballots missed election day headlines - WAPO liberalla Nov 2020 #37
ballots mailed on Tues (day of) stopdiggin Nov 2020 #54
Well yes, you can look at it that way, but those ballots were supposed to be liberalla Nov 2020 #56
Yes, I know, only 50% of Kentucky Democrats voted bucolic_frolic Nov 2020 #51
Rt.. This is EPIC.. We Did THIS! Cha Nov 2020 #2
mine were working lots of overtime. Coming at 7, 7:30 pm, 8:30 pm one day. Amaryllis Nov 2020 #34
Goodness bless him, &all the good conscientious postal svc workers who put country over party onetexan Nov 2020 #66
Somebody(s) need to GO TO FUCKING JAIL FOR THIS if there was indeed a plot to steal the election mr_lebowski Nov 2020 #3
THIS CanonRay Nov 2020 #7
THIS CanonRay Nov 2020 #9
AMEN!! uponit7771 Nov 2020 #21
Yup! 2naSalit Nov 2020 #27
YES. Louis DeJoy is first in line. nt crickets Nov 2020 #30
Agree. DeJoy needs to go to jail. nt Kahuna Nov 2020 #62
This Ferrets are Cool Nov 2020 #32
Absolutely. Turin_C3PO Nov 2020 #46
YES !!!!!!!!!! DENVERPOPS Nov 2020 #48
We did this! Save the Post Office, folks. It is absolutely vital to us. Hekate Nov 2020 #4
Yes, I couldn't agree more! It's a SERVICE, not a business, and it belongs to the People! liberalla Nov 2020 #39
How about something to really F*** up Fed Ex and UPS DENVERPOPS Nov 2020 #49
Exactly BigOleDummy Nov 2020 #61
The worst is in Alaska DENVERPOPS Nov 2020 #65
K & R & Retweeted! SunSeeker Nov 2020 #5
DeJoy needs to be testify before Congress, under oath. Snarkoleptic Nov 2020 #6
Sic 'em, Rep. Jim Cooper! Tanuki Nov 2020 #10
He also needs to personally pay for notinkansas Nov 2020 #52
Jail DeJoy! Sogo Nov 2020 #8
Can Biden replace him?nt helpisontheway Nov 2020 #15
I would think so.... Sogo Nov 2020 #22
I remember someone saying something about a board choosing Dejoy. helpisontheway Nov 2020 #35
This is another situation where McConnell can throw a spoke in the wheels. Lonestarblue Nov 2020 #47
DeJoy must go! Marcuse Nov 2020 #42
Replace the entire board. nt Progressive Jones Nov 2020 #44
NONE of this should have ever happened...& the GOP is so concerned about voter fraud! LOL! Illumination Nov 2020 #11
Now this is what a real "Stop the Steal" looked like. patphil Nov 2020 #12
I think democracy has many friends working at USPS C_U_L8R Nov 2020 #13
I felt relieved when the Postal Workers Union endorsed Joe. Sogo Nov 2020 #24
What happened with the court case? The one where judge helpisontheway Nov 2020 #14
His ruling: Judge Emmet Sullivan. tblue37 Nov 2020 #18
They screwed up by not waiting safeinOhio Nov 2020 #16
Which is exactly why the next two decades are going to be very dangerous... Salviati Nov 2020 #19
IOW, precisely what would be expected to happen when Trump acted irresponsibly... brooklynite Nov 2020 #17
Response Traildogbob Nov 2020 #20
K&R, if the kGOP is willing to go this far to cheat they'll do anything ... ANYTHING uponit7771 Nov 2020 #23
Is there any punitive action that would prevent this from happening again? SleeplessinSoCal Nov 2020 #25
So, in other words... BobTheSubgenius Nov 2020 #26
Thanks for saving democracy, Heather Walker and the honest USPS employees renate Nov 2020 #28
All things considered, it's a tribute to all the patriots that we won. BarbD Nov 2020 #29
Congress should take back full responsibility for the USPS. Restructure its hiring guidelines. ancianita Nov 2020 #31
Thank you Rachel Maddow radius777 Nov 2020 #33
Nevilledog... Upthevibe Nov 2020 #36
maximum security The Wizard Nov 2020 #38
DeJoy to DeJail C Moon Nov 2020 #41
Yes! There was that one post office that reassembled the sorting machine! Thank you!! C Moon Nov 2020 #40
And another place wryter2000 Nov 2020 #60
Wonder if any Senate races would have turned out differently if all lost ballots were delivered. Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2020 #43
K&R Blue Owl Nov 2020 #45
It's just a list of amazings bucolic_frolic Nov 2020 #50
Also, I think drump started talking about it too early. He was signaling something liberalla Nov 2020 #57
My late Mom UserNotFound Nov 2020 #53
as would my father! yellowdogintexas Nov 2020 #64
It was a multi-pronged approach. calimary Nov 2020 #55
Animal, vegetable & mineral... Rock, paper & scissors. (!!!) liberalla Nov 2020 #58
Big thanks to the NAACP, whichbrought the major case that kept DeJoy's and the USPS feet to the fire StarfishSaver Nov 2020 #59
Did anyone consciously notice bucolic_frolic Nov 2020 #63
Yes, Trump and Barr had this scheme all figured out. They planned it and knew if you stopped the UCmeNdc Nov 2020 #67
"See! It WAS rigged." Kid Berwyn Nov 2020 #68
And Drop Boxes. It is what I used. yellowcanine Nov 2020 #69

liberalla

(9,227 posts)
37. Thousands of mailed ballots missed election day headlines - WAPO
Sun Nov 15, 2020, 12:37 AM
Nov 2020

I bookmarked this post from Nov. 4th:

USPS data shows thousands of mailed ballots missed Election Day deadlines

Nearly 7%, or close to 8,000 ballots mailed on Tues. were not processed on time... this and other info on USPS performance from the final day of mail at link.

I'm certain a detailed investigation into the entirety of the drump/dejoy postal shenanigans will be performed and will be quite eye-opening. I really look forward to reading it. I hope it doesn't take as the Mueller report.

Yes, we definitely need to know how many ballots never got counted, and which races they were meant for.

stopdiggin

(11,252 posts)
54. ballots mailed on Tues (day of)
Sun Nov 15, 2020, 05:10 PM
Nov 2020

represent a special kind of stupid. The fact that 93% of them actually made it ....

liberalla

(9,227 posts)
56. Well yes, you can look at it that way, but those ballots were supposed to be
Sun Nov 15, 2020, 05:56 PM
Nov 2020

given the highest priority and separated from other collected mail that day to be specially delivered to election officials on time. (Critical in the states that don't accept ballots arriving after election day). Those were orders from a Judge that weren't treated with the required urgency. They (the USPS DeJoy gang) decided to follow their own schedule.


bucolic_frolic

(43,064 posts)
51. Yes, I know, only 50% of Kentucky Democrats voted
Sun Nov 15, 2020, 04:19 PM
Nov 2020

and that is not believable.

But Eliot, you had many DUers worried for months! The biggest hurdle is behind. Trump lost the election. Now there's just Electoral College counts and voting, and eviction to deal with.

I never had a doubt. I thought Biden's underperformance in February was intentional. It gave him room to ignite like a rocket, and he did. I knew in May when "The Liar Tweets Tonight" trended. It gave Democrats oxygen. I knew during the first debate.

Trump attacked us, but not on policy. He failed to sell his ideas because he had none. All he had was rage.

Cha

(296,881 posts)
2. Rt.. This is EPIC.. We Did THIS!
Sat Nov 14, 2020, 10:16 PM
Nov 2020

LOVE the USPS Workers.. I know the ones in my area were always out here even on Sundays!

Amaryllis

(9,524 posts)
34. mine were working lots of overtime. Coming at 7, 7:30 pm, 8:30 pm one day.
Sun Nov 15, 2020, 12:00 AM
Nov 2020

Told me PO was understaffed and he hadn't had a day off in...i dont remember but it was a long time. Well over a week.

onetexan

(13,024 posts)
66. Goodness bless him, &all the good conscientious postal svc workers who put country over party
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 09:02 AM
Nov 2020

To ensure our democracy is saved. After this election i will never take the postal svc for granted. Gaps in the system such as a party toadie must be fixed by Dems/Biden admin to ensure going fwd we never have such eggregious abuse of power to undermine democracy again. This is horrific on so many levels.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
3. Somebody(s) need to GO TO FUCKING JAIL FOR THIS if there was indeed a plot to steal the election
Sat Nov 14, 2020, 10:17 PM
Nov 2020

through these means.

And it sure shit looks like there was.

DENVERPOPS

(8,790 posts)
48. YES !!!!!!!!!!
Sun Nov 15, 2020, 03:41 PM
Nov 2020

We should make a list, even though it is in the hundreds, and send them USPS to EVERY Representative and Senator in the U.S. Congress...

Remember when Doonesbury did that to HW Bush, and hundreds of thousands of letters got delivered to HW Bush's home address??????

AND, put three or four stamps on it to support the revenue of the post office that DeJoy and Republicans want to destroy.....

DENVERPOPS

(8,790 posts)
49. How about something to really F*** up Fed Ex and UPS
Sun Nov 15, 2020, 03:52 PM
Nov 2020

The USPS should refuse to Deliver FedEx and UPS packages that those private firms dump on them. Especially the ones in Rural America..........Could you imagine FedEx and UPS having to drive each and every package, way the hell out into rural America in order to deliver just one package and what that would do to their profits/???????? (Amazon would shit bricks)

It is way past time that Rural Republican America begins to suffer the consequences of their vote..........

DENVERPOPS

(8,790 posts)
65. The worst is in Alaska
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 02:45 AM
Nov 2020

Corporations can drop off a pallet of stuff weighing under a thousand pounds in Seattle or Alaska, and the USPS must deliver it ANYWHERE in Alaska for 100 bucks.........And Alaska is a RepubliCON bright red state.......

Snarkoleptic

(5,997 posts)
6. DeJoy needs to be testify before Congress, under oath.
Sat Nov 14, 2020, 10:30 PM
Nov 2020

He neesd to spend time in the greybar hotel for his malicious mischief.

Sogo

(4,986 posts)
22. I would think so....
Sat Nov 14, 2020, 11:21 PM
Nov 2020

Trump removed who had been in the position and installed DeJoy, so why couldn't Biden do the same?

helpisontheway

(5,005 posts)
35. I remember someone saying something about a board choosing Dejoy.
Sun Nov 15, 2020, 12:07 AM
Nov 2020

However, I’m not sure if Trump told them to choose Dejoy. 🤷🏽?♀️

Lonestarblue

(9,958 posts)
47. This is another situation where McConnell can throw a spoke in the wheels.
Sun Nov 15, 2020, 03:37 PM
Nov 2020

The Board of Governors for the USPS is Senate confirmed, and they choose the Postmaster General, a position that is not confirmed by the Senate. Currently, the governors serve for 7 years. I could not find anything about whether a president can fire a governor. I would think a new AG could investigate both DeJoy and the actions of the Board to authorize him to willfully destroy millions of dollars of government property for no reason other than sabotaging the election and that might prompt some resignations.

Marcuse

(7,446 posts)
42. DeJoy must go!
Sun Nov 15, 2020, 01:05 AM
Nov 2020

|

There is a way to end this madness, and we hope Biden takes it. The new president could promptly appoint additional governors to the postal board, which at the moment is three members short. A trio of Biden appointees would give Democrats a 5-4 majority with enough leverage to give DeJoy his much-deserved walking papers.

We also hope Biden’s Department of Justice will heed a call from U.S. Reps. Ted Lieu, D-California, and Hakeem
Jeffries, D-New York, for a federal investigation of DeJoy and the postal Board of Governors. In a letter to the FBI in August, the lawmakers alleged that DeJoy’s attempts to delay the mail violated federal law.
[link:https://chicago.suntimes.com/2020/11/11/21561226/donald-trump-gone-but-postmaster-louis-dejoy-might-stick-around|
 

Illumination

(2,458 posts)
11. NONE of this should have ever happened...& the GOP is so concerned about voter fraud! LOL!
Sat Nov 14, 2020, 10:42 PM
Nov 2020

Need to stock up on lots of popcorn, chips & beverages so that I can fully enjoy the upcoming
investigations!...

helpisontheway

(5,005 posts)
14. What happened with the court case? The one where judge
Sat Nov 14, 2020, 10:44 PM
Nov 2020

was trying to find out why Dejoy ignored her ruling about checking for ballots and delivering?

safeinOhio

(32,641 posts)
16. They screwed up by not waiting
Sat Nov 14, 2020, 10:46 PM
Nov 2020

a few more weeks to start their crap. There was a enough time to expose it to make it less effective.
That was close.

Salviati

(6,008 posts)
19. Which is exactly why the next two decades are going to be very dangerous...
Sat Nov 14, 2020, 11:00 PM
Nov 2020

There are plenty of people who will see this as a trial run, and are learning from the mistakes that were made by this team of incompetents. The next time they won't make those mistakes. We need to take this opportunity to harden our systems against attack from within.

brooklynite

(94,383 posts)
17. IOW, precisely what would be expected to happen when Trump acted irresponsibly...
Sat Nov 14, 2020, 10:48 PM
Nov 2020

Far too many people translated Trump's impulses with an actual ability to accomplish them.

Traildogbob

(8,684 posts)
20. Response
Sat Nov 14, 2020, 11:08 PM
Nov 2020

To MAGANinny, Ingraham, Hannity, And the MAGA Lawyer ass on Bill Maher Friday should be asked about this, taking up mail boxes, only allowing one drop box for millions of voters, Fake drop boxes, fires in drop boxes, Florida’s mail rooms with stacks of ballots and yes, ALL the ballots not counted by GOP criminals. So sick of these asshole screaming voter fraud when they pulled every string to steal the election. Investigate Kentucky and South Carolina. I can smell their bull shit there from here in WNC. And Meadows came from here. We know what bullshit smells like.

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,088 posts)
25. Is there any punitive action that would prevent this from happening again?
Sat Nov 14, 2020, 11:24 PM
Nov 2020

I don't think there is. Especially with the SCOTUS we have. In fact, why can't there be an "Invalid" issued to ACB for the McConnell decision re: supreme justice in America.. Whether time behind bars is possible, I don't know. But there has to be going forward.

BobTheSubgenius

(11,560 posts)
26. So, in other words...
Sat Nov 14, 2020, 11:33 PM
Nov 2020

...it could have EASILY gone the other way. Hard to believe that their obvious, heavy-handed schemes almost worked.

It's like reading about WW2. In hindsight, it seems that a favourable outcome in a given situation was inevitable and plain to see. In fact, there were many possible outcomes in play.

renate

(13,776 posts)
28. Thanks for saving democracy, Heather Walker and the honest USPS employees
Sat Nov 14, 2020, 11:36 PM
Nov 2020

I believe that she’s the one who broke the story:


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BarbD

(1,192 posts)
29. All things considered, it's a tribute to all the patriots that we won.
Sat Nov 14, 2020, 11:39 PM
Nov 2020

Five million plus is an astounding feat.

ancianita

(35,950 posts)
31. Congress should take back full responsibility for the USPS. Restructure its hiring guidelines.
Sat Nov 14, 2020, 11:52 PM
Nov 2020

And NEVER outsource it to a politically appointed board ever again.

They must resume their oversight duties of this constitutionally established national service -- IN FULL.

radius777

(3,635 posts)
33. Thank you Rachel Maddow
Sat Nov 14, 2020, 11:57 PM
Nov 2020

for bringing attention to this issue - she got many anonymous tips - and hammered on this topic for weeks.

The postal workers and that judge fought for democracy.

This election was far closer that many understand and the GOP's suppression efforts need to be dismantled going forward.

No political party or politician can be allowed to mess with the post office or any essential services for the purpose of shifting an election - which is exactly what Trump/DeJoy were attempting.

Upthevibe

(8,018 posts)
36. Nevilledog...
Sun Nov 15, 2020, 12:32 AM
Nov 2020

If DeJoy broke laws (and it sure seemed like he did) he needs to go to prison!!! I'm so sick of what these degenerates get away with!

wryter2000

(46,023 posts)
60. And another place
Sun Nov 15, 2020, 06:47 PM
Nov 2020

Where the workers didn’t get around to destroying the machines until the boss gave up.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,264 posts)
43. Wonder if any Senate races would have turned out differently if all lost ballots were delivered.
Sun Nov 15, 2020, 03:41 AM
Nov 2020

DeJoy and cohorts need investigation.

bucolic_frolic

(43,064 posts)
50. It's just a list of amazings
Sun Nov 15, 2020, 04:01 PM
Nov 2020

Amazing they thought they could get away with it.
Amazing they thought no one was looking.
Amazing they underestimated the size of the con they needed as well as the resistance they would face.
Amazing they apparently had no credible plan to distract from the operation.
Amazing they had no idea many, even a large majority, of USPS workers would resist.
Amazing they didn't understand the proud history of the US Postal Service.

I simply conclude that the con wasn't supposed to work out this way.

liberalla

(9,227 posts)
57. Also, I think drump started talking about it too early. He was signaling something
Sun Nov 15, 2020, 06:23 PM
Nov 2020

was up with the Post Office. We were on the alert. So when stuff started happening, we noticed and reacted sooner than we may have (without his warning of problems with the Post Office and ballot fraud, etc.).

UserNotFound

(108 posts)
53. My late Mom
Sun Nov 15, 2020, 04:51 PM
Nov 2020

was a small town Postmaster for over 30 yrs. She would have been enraged at the political bullshit that was thrown at her Postal Service this year....

calimary

(81,127 posts)
55. It was a multi-pronged approach.
Sun Nov 15, 2020, 05:32 PM
Nov 2020

We came at ‘em from everywhere. All sides. All angles. All speeds. All sizes. All levels of pressure. All volumes from silent runnings to roars. Big and small. Wide and narrow. Visual, audible, black ‘n’ white and technicolor. Sneaky and in-yer-face. Conventional media and internet/new media. Animal, vegetable, & mineral. Rock, paper, & scissors.

WE BECAME not just that “thousand points of light” but 76-some-odd-million points of light.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
59. Big thanks to the NAACP, whichbrought the major case that kept DeJoy's and the USPS feet to the fire
Sun Nov 15, 2020, 06:37 PM
Nov 2020

They aren't getting nearly enough credit for stepping up and taking the USPS to court. If it weren't for that case and Judge Sullivan, who didn't allow them to get away with anything, who knows where we'd be now?

bucolic_frolic

(43,064 posts)
63. Did anyone consciously notice
Sun Nov 15, 2020, 07:33 PM
Nov 2020

The USPS blue mail drop boxes are the same hue of blue as the official Trump campaign signs? White and black striping, stars too I think. That's a deeply subliminal attempt at mind manipulation.

UCmeNdc

(9,600 posts)
67. Yes, Trump and Barr had this scheme all figured out. They planned it and knew if you stopped the
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 09:29 AM
Nov 2020

mailed in ballots you will stop the democratic voters votes from being counted. Evil to the bottom of their being.

The democratic party has to become much more organized, observant, and creative in maintaining the ability to protect their democratic voters right to vote and having those votes cast, actually be counted. No telling how many democratic votes were left off of the final vote tallies due to being called late or through voter suppression efforts by the GOP.

The democratic party must become proactive the year round. Not just start worrying in election years.

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