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Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)If everyone voted.
betsuni
(25,472 posts)doc03
(35,325 posts)Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,760 posts)and tell me who wins the election?
Buckeyeblue
(5,499 posts)We know we have a polling problem. State by state is just not that good. And I know we can see who actually voted from each precinct. But we don't know race or education based on that.
People lie about their education levels. More and more I see that. I also think that online degrees should be classified differently than in person. And to further that, I think we should differentiate spent 4-5 years after high school from those who went back to school.
I would also like to see how people voted based on income. Or by those that have school aged children. But, again, I don't think we have a good way to get those numbers.
soothsayer
(38,601 posts)doc03
(35,325 posts)many white men that would never had voted for a Republican until Trump made it all about race.
soothsayer
(38,601 posts)Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,760 posts)it's not clear what the methodology was and what evidence they give that extrapolating data this way is valid.
Again, it seems to assume that those of a certain group who didn't or don't vote would, if they were to vote, vote in the same way that that those in the group who do vote & did vote voted.
Buckeyeblue
(5,499 posts)We are still very much a racist country. As a white male, I would like to think things are better. While the outwardly aggressive racism that was visible most of the 20th century may be "better" I think it was just moved indoors. People have learned to wear a tolerance mask, to say enough of the right things, avoid the uncomfortable subjects. And outwardly expressed racism is seen as unseemly. But I'm not sure it is seen as unseemly for the right reasons.
Shermann
(7,412 posts)I'd like to see the popular vote results in that case.
The MSM has been reporting that Trump wins the "poorly-educated white" group. "Non-college-educated whites", as used here, is a more precise, less derogatory name. But winning the entire white group is a much bigger story, isn't it?
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)this really doesn't look right to me, in both meanings.
For instance, lack of emotional involvement and assumptions that everything will be fine are stronger on the liberal left than the conservative right, leading to fewer voting. It does not mean that those on the left who don't vote are as racist as the right. If more voted, the map would be more blue.
That all-blue map?! How on earth are POC supposed to turn whole states blue where they're less than 5% of the population?
Btw, when the day comes that POC no longer feel actively threatened by a conservative white power party, the external factors that create the AA's strong liberal-conservative voting alliance will be mostly gone. Especially in the south and southwest where more people are conservative, and especially among males. Many black conservatives, not just more Hispanic and others, will gladly join the conservative (red) party.
(In this real world, how many years of AA empowerment will pass before they flood America's conservative party, whatever its name is then, and force further change, including in office as conservative politicians? Presumably starting in states like GA where they're big demos, guessing lagging in states where larger Hispanic conservative demos have already established beachheads.)
The author might also have deleted just one of those five hits against white people to make room for the GIANT DEMOS OF YOUNGER GENERATIONS. Completely missing, and WTF? Because they're doing better but still poorly. If half of their nonvoters brought a 100th of the attention to civic issues as they do to meeting up with friends and photographing themselves, that would be a revolution. I think we all know what kind of map that would produce, but it'd be interesting to see what honest results from honest researchers would look like. They include plenty of conservatives by personality, but those're overall more accepting of today's realities. Btw, most people become more conservative with parenthood, and that won't change. Conservatism is real, both genetically linked and by nurture.
Hey, how about a map that showed how just a slight shift of societal attention from exercising bodies to exercising thinking muscles would change everything?!
There are people whose inadequately exercised minds are still influenced by a 1986 Newsweek claim that single women over 40 were more likely to be killed by terrorism than to get married. It immediately became accepted wisdom because it originated from some Ivy League idiot who must be right. This ridiculous notion weakened over most of a decade to "feels true" and has weakened further as women's equality and choices have advanced, but the general notion is still embedded in flabby minds and will have to die with them.
But others long ago said, "What? I know single women who got married over 40 and I don't know any who've been kidnapped by terrorists." And others had a moment of real insight some time in the succeeding 34 years and freed themselves from it.
The best time for thinking is always when new input needs it, before just letting it soak in.
Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,760 posts)The rising numbers if minority conservatives us worrying. Maybe what we need is a better system for showing people the benefits of non-conservative policies.
Hard to fight against the pervasive billionaire-funded RW propaganda though.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)during the years and decades that often requires. Followed by the periods of rebuilding the lost progress.
People who call themselves fighters against racism while seeking to intensify racial divisions or progressives while they fight to overset progressivism in government are society's oxymorons. The successes of greedy billionaires couldn't have happened, they couldn't have happened, without successful manipulation of those easily deceived and those determined to be.
exboyfil
(17,862 posts)Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,760 posts)No source given for those projections? I don't see how one can assume that people of a certain group who don't vote would vote the way members of that group who do vote vote.
Aristus
(66,325 posts)We dont have as much of that toxic masculinity shit here as in some other states.