Could someone explain Antifa with links?

[LAS14]

I had heard this term only peripherally and then on some relatively trusted MSM someone said "there is no such organization. It's just an idea." So I took comfort in that for a while, but last night on CNN, the reporter talked about Antifa as if it were an organization that had come out to confront the Trump rally. I see in a thread here that there are different understandings among DUers.

Can someone provide solid information, with links?

tia
las

[NCjack]

36. "Wonder Woman" is an anti-fascist" (ANTIFA).

[Binkie The Clown]

2. Anti-fascists. For example: The U.S. Armed forces during WW II. nt

[Laelth]

3. Nope. There are no links.

Antifa has no office, no secretary, no headquarters, no official website, no corporate charter, no “leader,” no owner ... nothing.

Antifa is an IDEA, and that is enough.

This is all I can offer you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifa_(United_States)

If you ask Trumpist boaters on Lake Travis, however, they will confirm that Antifa has a NAVY, at the very least. I am not authorized to speak further on that subject.



-Laelth

[tavernier]

8. Wait, I'm no longer the secretary?

Eh, they paid shit anyway.

[ProfessorGAC]

24. The Bonus Check Is In The Mail

Well, that's what Soros & Gates told me!

[tavernier]

32. Oh, you mean Big George and Killa Bill?

They are the suppliers. They don’t oversee the help. My checks come directly from the pizza parlor. You know... Blondie’s place of business.

[LonePirate]

4. I wonder what happens with antifa when we no longer have a fascist in charge on Jan 20.

Much of what antifa is protesting/speaking against are products of the current fascist administration. A lot of that will be dismantled starting on Inauguration Day. With much less wind in their sails, what will antifa do?

[My Pet Orangutan]

7. They wait for the next 'unite-the-right' type rally

There will be more than a few

[LonePirate]

12. Those racists are going to be a lot less visible in public come January.

As of now, the unite the right types feel emboldened and protected by their racist messiah in the White House. They will slither back to their holes in the ground without him. It will be tough for Fox and their internet counterparts to whip up Tea Party hysteria again without any large scale pieces of legislation that might become law. Manchin's opposition to ending the filibuster effectively blocks such legislation.

[brush]

10. Once again, antifa is not an actual entity. It's a concept against fascism...

which is what it stands for. Sort of like being against racism—antira. See, no such actual organization.

[LonePirate]

16. And the visible signs of fascism in this country start to diminish in January.

If there is no major evil specter of fascism to rally against, it's tough for the concept to inspire people to march in the streets and such, like what happened in Portland and Seattle.

Police brutality certainly has not ended but without a current, in the news example of the brutality, people are not protesting in the same numbers as they did this summer. The same will happen with the concept of antifa as many people forget about it.

[Ferrets are Cool]

19. Unfortunately, there will always be fascists to fight.

[Oneironaut]

23. Imo, they will advocate for a more Socialist country.

Many who claim to be Antifa are anarchists or Socialists. I don’t mean this disparagingly- they tend to skew far left to very far left. They see Biden as a corporate Democrat, but also a necessary evil. Antifa isn’t really made up of the average American - they’re more politically motivated and ideological.

However, there is still an active Fascist movement in the US, so they will be busy with that as well. There is going to be more violence in the streets, unfortunately.

BLM on the other hand, while also intersecting with Antifa, has more moderate / average citizens, imo. Both will continue to oppose Fascism and Trumpian ideology, but Antifa’s goals are slightly different.

[SamKnause]

5. Anyone who opposes Trump and his cult.

Trump and his cult are fascists.

Those who oppose Trump and his cult are anti fascists.

[Sneederbunk]

6. Two words: Boogie Man.

[stevil]

9. No Links

I become Antifa (not self identified as one) when Nazis show up in my city. It's that simple. That and the Iron Front t-shirt I wear.

[bdtrppr6]

31. my favorite mask has that emblem right on the cheek

I've gotten a few comments from comrades.

I'm Antifa every fucking day. We're not going anywhere and the protests will start up again. Cops are bound and determined to kill black men and that's the biggest fight we have. The State/Hydra is not much different even with a new set of heads. And the Proud Boys think they own the place, so the clashes will continue.

[aidbo]

11. People who identify as antifa..

..believe that the way to stop fascism is to resist it in every locale it rears its ugly head. They believe that appeasing or ignoring fascists never works. So when groups like the proud boys march, the local people who consider themselves antifa show up and counter protest, sometimes ready for violence because they expect violence from the fascists. They hide their faces because they expect retribution from the fascists if their identity is gleaned.

One thing they are not is partisan. They do not care about Democrats vs Republicans. They care about fascism and fighting against it. Most also do not necessarily believe in electoralism, preferring instead direct action like marches and strikes.

Another thing that they are not is fascists themselves. (Despite people who say ‘antifa are the real fascists’).

Sorry I don’t have any links for you, this is just what I have learned by watching and listening to them.

[DeminPennswoods]

13. New Yorker did a feature story on them

two weeks ago. Interesting and informative.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/11/02/trump-antifa-movement-portland

[LAS14]

33. Thanks! Exactly what I was looking for. nt

[DeminPennswoods]

43. Maybe a bit pricey, but the New Yorker

is well worth the subcription price. There is always an eclectic assortment of articles and, of course, the cartoons.

[LAS14]

44. Ah, yes. The cartoons. Before our neighbors moved they passed their New Yorkers on to us. nt

[NameAlreadyTaken]

14. Difference between Antifa and Proud Boys

Antifa is an ideology with no members and no organization.

Proud Boys is a bunch of fat guys wearing Fred Perry polo shirts with no ideology and no organization.

[SMC22307]

26. Proud Boys *Chairman* Enrique Tarrio identifies as Afro-Cuban...

Tarrio grew up in Little Havana, a neighborhood in Miami, Florida.[16] He identifies as Afro-Cuban.[2][15] He has been married and divorced.[2]

In 2004, when he was 20 years old, Tarrio was convicted of theft. He was sentenced to three years of probation, community service, and ordered to pay restitution.[2] In 2013, Tarrio was sentenced to 30 months (of which he spent 16) in federal prison for rebranding and reselling stolen medical devices.[17][18]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enrique_Tarrio

They're organized... and male. Little boys playing dress up with "Western Chauvinism" as their ideology...

[Gothmog]

37. It is hard to attack an idea

[abqtommy]

15. On a lighter note, I prefer eggs with my links. Maybe also some fried potatoes and pancakes.

[LeftInTX]

17. Link

Sorry, I disagree. Antifa is a real thing.

Pelosi Statement Condemning Antifa Violence in Berkeley

San Francisco — Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi released the following statement denouncing the violent protests carried out this weekend in Berkeley, California:

“Our democracy has no room for inciting violence or endangering the public, no matter the ideology of those who commit such acts. The violent actions of people calling themselves antifa in Berkeley this weekend deserve unequivocal condemnation, and the perpetrators should be arrested and prosecuted.

“In California, as across all of our great nation, we have deep reverence for the Constitutional right to peaceful dissent and free speech. Non-violence is fundamental to that right. Let us use this sad event to reaffirm that we must never fight hate with hate, and to remember the values of peace, openness and justice that represent the best of America.”
https://web.archive.org/web/20170829224007/http://www.democraticleader.gov/newsroom/82917/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifa_(United_States)

[LeftInTX]

22. He was not a cop

He was a right winger

Those were Nancy Pelosi's own words

[malchickiwick]

18. Antifa is an idea, not an organization, but there are Antifa groups going back to 1920s Italy.

Just like fascism is an idea, and various groups like the proud losers and the klan organize around that idea, so too is antifascism, and there have been many groups organized that idea. Historically, from the 1920s on, antifa has always appeared when fascism did to counter it, in the streets if necessary. It's a quite proud history.

Try this book:

https://www.amazon.com/Antifa-Anti-Fascist-Handbook-Mark-Bray/dp/1612197035

[sarisataka]

20. Anifa is a general term applied

To various left wing and/or anarchist groups and individuals.

Typically they engage/join protests against racism, white supremacy and right wing groups. At times they will use violence as a method of protest.

They is no central organization and the groups are autonomous so it is more accurate to describe it as a movement.

Links-

[LAS14]

41. Thanks. nt

[Girard442]

25. A while back I looked into "joining" Antifa.

I figured, if nothing else, there’d be scam websites that would take your money and give you nothing but a cool-looking ID card.

Couldn’t even find that.

[LAS14]

42. That's very helpful. Thanks. nt

[MineralMan]

27. Google will take you to the Wikipedia article on Antifa

From there, you can find some links in the article and elsewhere on Google.

Generally Wikipedia is a good resource as a starting point on most topics. Links there will lead you to other resources. For major things, volunteer editors keep the Wikipedia page up to date.

But, you knew that already, I'm sure.

[LAS14]

34. I'm not sure I would have found the excellent New Yorker article cited in...

... post #13 without asking the question on DU.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

29. One of the many organizations funded by George Soros

BTW has anyone gotten their George Soros check yet? I'm still waiting for mine.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

30. ........

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paper_tiger

[keithbvadu2]

35. The only organized 'Antifa' seems to be Trump supporters showing up with their spray paint, Molotov

The only organized 'Antifa' seems to be Trump supporters showing up with their spray paint, Molotov cocktails, guns, or vandalism tools pretending to be protesters.

And now Trumpsters pretending to be part of BLM protests.

[Caliman73]

39. Here is a rather long video that explains it well in my opinion.

This guy typically does his research.

There isn't really an organization called Antifa. There are a group of local organizations that share a common goal of responding against fascism that fly the various anti-fascist flags.

I will let Oliver Thorn explain:

[LAS14]

40. Thanks! nt