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Sun Nov 15, 2020, 01:22 PM

I don't see this country healing and coming together

Unless the MSM and others stop playing the ‘both sides’’ argument....there is only one side that has been destructive and has thrived on division for the last 40 years with hate radio, Drudge, Fox News, breibert, etc...

Trump isn’t the same as AOC, The proud boys aren’t the same as BLM, MSNBC isn’t FoxNews, Rachel Maddox isn’t Laura Ingram, Chris Hayes isn’t Tucker, no one on progressive radio is the same as Rush Limbaugh, DU isn’t FoxNation, the rabid democratic voters aren’t like the racist trump voters....bottom line, there isn’t really a both sides argument

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Reply I don't see this country healing and coming together (Original post)
Proud liberal 80 Nov 15 OP
ck4829 Nov 15 #1
pandr32 Nov 15 #2
Ferrets are Cool Nov 15 #3
bluestarone Nov 15 #4
Newest Reality Nov 15 #5
BComplex Nov 15 #6
bluestarone Nov 15 #12
Turin_C3PO Nov 15 #7
walkingman Nov 15 #8
frazzled Nov 15 #9
DSandra Nov 15 #10
peacebuzzard Nov 15 #11
kimbutgar Nov 15 #13
58Sunliner Nov 15 #14
dustyscamp Nov 15 #15
They_Live Nov 15 #21
bdamomma Nov 15 #29
dameatball Nov 15 #16
Mr. Ected Nov 15 #17
world wide wally Nov 15 #18
Lonestarblue Nov 15 #19
blue neen Nov 15 #28
Auggie Nov 15 #20
Evolve Dammit Nov 15 #22
JustAnotherGen Nov 15 #23
yaesu Nov 15 #24
Six117 Nov 15 #25
Bernardo de La Paz Nov 15 #26
Warpy Nov 15 #27
Roc2020 Nov 15 #30
budkin Nov 15 #31
machoneman Nov 15 #32
Escurumbele Nov 15 #33

Response to Proud liberal 80 (Original post)

Sun Nov 15, 2020, 01:24 PM

1. "Healing and coming together" may honestly be more destructive than a degree of division right now

It'd be like trying to hold a peace summit while Jason Voorhees and Michael Myers are in the building.

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Response to Proud liberal 80 (Original post)

Sun Nov 15, 2020, 01:24 PM

2. Agreed!

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Response to Proud liberal 80 (Original post)

Sun Nov 15, 2020, 01:32 PM

4. AGREE!

Gonna be TWO YEARS of MISERY. Thank God we have JOE and KAMALA!!! We need our SMARTEST people in the front lines to win Georgia for sure!! THAT would take the air out the assholes sails!! THIS could be the BIGGEST victory of ever! PLUS i think if we do not do something about the WHOLE Rump family in the first two years, or they will be back with a VENGEANCE!!!

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Response to Proud liberal 80 (Original post)

Sun Nov 15, 2020, 01:33 PM

5. Agree!

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Response to Proud liberal 80 (Original post)

Sun Nov 15, 2020, 01:35 PM

6. That's precisely why the right is having to make stuff up out of thin air.

We're talking apples to oranges.

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Response to BComplex (Reply #6)

Sun Nov 15, 2020, 01:47 PM

12. THIS!

After 4 years we are RIGHT BACK to CNN's question about the apple. ( THIS IS AN APPLE question) Fake news!

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Response to Proud liberal 80 (Original post)

Sun Nov 15, 2020, 01:37 PM

7. K&R

Good post.

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Response to Proud liberal 80 (Original post)

Sun Nov 15, 2020, 01:37 PM

8. I'm not really hoping for a "healing or coming together". I will never agree with the principles

of conservatism. What I would like to see is civility. No name calling, no nasty, snarky comments and then an apology, just basic civility with the one goal of helping the American people. I could care less about someone's religion, or their sexual orientation, or their race - just basic human kindness.

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Response to Proud liberal 80 (Original post)

Sun Nov 15, 2020, 01:43 PM

9. It won't happen overnight, or ever be complete

It never was. But over time, I think the loudest, ugliest voices will retreat underground to fester, and at least leave some peace in the public space. The Senate, if it remains Republican, will continue to obstruct, but I think to an ever-so slightly lesser extent, perhaps, than we saw under Obama. There are just too many critical things that need to be done for the country, and on the most critical, perhaps there will be some movement.

Just turning down the heat and excising the inflammatory language will help. If we can just get back to that place where we are adversaries, not mortal enemies, it will be an improvement.

Of course, none of this will happen if, in addition to Republican obstructionism, our own party unity falls apart.

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Response to Proud liberal 80 (Original post)

Sun Nov 15, 2020, 01:44 PM

10. There is too much money in sowing division and promoting hatred...

There is little to no incentive for greedheads in coming together given how much money these propaganda masters have made:

Rush Limbaugh: At least $500 million
Sean Hannity: $250 million
Glenn Beck: $250 million
Roger Ailes: $200 million (at time of death)
Bill O-Reilly: $85 million (at one point making $37 million in a 12 month period)




America’s glorification of being rich is destroying it.

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Response to Proud liberal 80 (Original post)

Sun Nov 15, 2020, 01:46 PM

11. simply, it can't take place.

I don't see it coming together. There is no use in a one-sided dialogue. You can't reason with a wall or a person with no reasoning abilities.

Place on ignore and save your breath for the real & possible challenges.

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Response to Proud liberal 80 (Original post)

Sun Nov 15, 2020, 01:54 PM

13. America is an experiment that is now finished

I don’t feel that America has a future anymore if we continue to have a media that divides us and makes up shit to benefit the rich and Christofascists. I wish I was young and could move to another country but I fear what has happened to us will eventually happen to other countries.

This election has slowed their plans but with the senate in the hands of the evil repukes we are screwed.

I was working with these two young guys last week who were African American neither was scary looking and both attractive. I asked them if they voted. Both in their twenties they said no, both parties are the same and one guy said he did like MF44’s policies. I started to challenge him but thought better of it. I just told him I never experienced so much racism until MF45 was elected. The one who liked his polices relayed a story about taking his wife and young son up to Virginia City Nevada to try out a restaurant and they were harassed and these white MF45 supporters kept showing him their guns. They ate really fast at this restaurant and left. He said he was worried for his family. I was screaming inside.

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Response to Proud liberal 80 (Original post)

Sun Nov 15, 2020, 03:01 PM

14. We have to do whatever it takes to shut that shit down. If it means boycotting networks, products,

advertisers, cutting the cable, lets do it. Germany has outlawed the use of the Nazi symbol and hate speech. We have allowed this bullshit too long.

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Response to Proud liberal 80 (Original post)

Sun Nov 15, 2020, 03:07 PM

15. F theses people

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Response to dustyscamp (Reply #15)

Sun Nov 15, 2020, 03:51 PM

21. What nerve ABC had giving these lunkheads a platform!

No equal time with reality either. WTF

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Response to dustyscamp (Reply #15)

Sun Nov 15, 2020, 04:26 PM

29. Sorry

but the minority does not rule we do.

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Response to Proud liberal 80 (Original post)

Sun Nov 15, 2020, 03:22 PM

16. Tons of trucks driving around my county today, still flying Trump flags. North Central Florida.

I am thinking there may have been some impromptu gathering or show of support for the thousand goober march or something. Lots of them now hanging out at the local Lodges......usually conservative havens I assume.
Something is telling me that these assholes are really not interested in what "we" have to say and never will be.

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Response to Proud liberal 80 (Original post)

Sun Nov 15, 2020, 03:22 PM

17. Divide and conquer

The powers that be have effectively divided our people in 2 by segregating one group and feeding it bullshit and calling it fact. Until we are able to prove to them that they've been duped by their own, not only is cohesion impossible, it puts us in danger of sliding down the same slope they have, albeit down the other side of the hill.

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Response to Proud liberal 80 (Original post)

Sun Nov 15, 2020, 03:26 PM

18. Well said... +1,000,000

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Response to Proud liberal 80 (Original post)

Sun Nov 15, 2020, 03:35 PM

19. It has taken 40 years of nonstop propaganda for the Republican Party to create this division.

It is not going away any time soon. Perhaps the best we can hope for is to find some areas of agreement outside the culture wars and racist politics. Some of those areas include

—replacement of aging infrastructure, including safe water pipes
—upgrades to our electricity grids, which are vulnerable to cyber attacks
—wiring of all parts of the country, especially rural areas, for Internet access
—lower drug prices and accessible healthcare (people generally agree on the need but not the process; universal healthcare needs to be part of an economic picture because it facilitates wage growth and GDP when employers must compete on wages rather than healthcare and healthier people do not miss work as often because they get preventive care—I think this is winnable with the right message and approach)
—policies/programs to address the opioid crisis, which is still going on
—investments in alternative energy—not everyone is here yet, but lots of people are and it can pay big dividends
—making higher education more affordable and giving non-college oriented young people technical training for a good job

I’m sure there are more, but if we focus first on the less controversial goals perhaps the culture wars will recede. Reproductive rights and the gains that LGBTQ have gained certainly need to be protected, but we also need to focus on the economic side of life.

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Response to Lonestarblue (Reply #19)

Sun Nov 15, 2020, 04:22 PM

28. I'd like to recommend your post.

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Response to Proud liberal 80 (Original post)

Sun Nov 15, 2020, 03:43 PM

20. Good-paying jobs could do it

Not everyone. But enough.

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Response to Proud liberal 80 (Original post)

Sun Nov 15, 2020, 03:53 PM

22. Agree. "False Equivalency" They ARE racists. We are not. We like others. They clearly do not.

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Response to Proud liberal 80 (Original post)

Sun Nov 15, 2020, 03:53 PM

23. The Country has been far more divided in the past

By law.

I don't think anti racist white Americans are coming together with the racists this time.

I hate to use the word "woke" - but a lot are woke.

Media is going to have to accept a new model of Patriotic Americans building an inclusive and just society - and wannabe Nazis.

What's the problem with the division?

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Response to Proud liberal 80 (Original post)

Sun Nov 15, 2020, 03:53 PM

24. this will never happen as long as 70 million amerKans are fascist and the fascist party is still

a thing.

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Response to Proud liberal 80 (Original post)

Sun Nov 15, 2020, 04:00 PM

25. I'm not interested in healing and coming together.

Quite frankly -I'm concerned with us protecting ourselves, the people we love, our country and this planet from the harm these people will do. Unlike them, we aren't looking to hurt people.

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Response to Proud liberal 80 (Original post)

Sun Nov 15, 2020, 04:05 PM

26. It will heal & come together, but it will take FUNDAMENTAL CHANGE & marginalizing of polar extremes.


The extremes, and most especially hard right wing extremes, will have to be goaded to become even more extreme and thus less attractive. For example, tRump's cult must be (rightly) tarred with racist and QAnon labels whenever possible.

The Republican Party must be always referred to as tRump's party. Honest and responsible conservatives must be made to feel they have no home there. They must be forced to create their own party, egged on in the process by Democrats. Such a party would rise to replace the tRump-Republicon (Greed Over People) party and that is the right wing that can come together with the Democratic Party to heal the nation.

While the right wing is undergoing schizms and agonizing convulsions as it reforms, the Democratic Party will have power for a time to make big important fair reforms to the electoral system to kill voter suppression, kill gerrymandering, and kill dirty tricks. Reforms to make polarization much harder.

Make the center much more attractive than the right wing, especially the hard right. Use media and Internet to make a universal sense of revulsion come over people when tRump-Republiconism is mentioned: "eww, shitty racist QAnons".

Make the left of the center very attractive. (The center of the Democratic Party.)

*** Biden can do it. ***


Harris' personal task must be to avoid being "Hillary'ed". Harris has to move to the center, perhaps a little right of center on law and order, to prevent that angle of attack, and a little left of Biden on climate. If Harris makes common cause with Warren and consults meaningfully with AOC and Sanders, then she can pull it off. Especially since it seems Biden is inclined to move on green deals of various kinds.

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Response to Proud liberal 80 (Original post)

Sun Nov 15, 2020, 04:12 PM

27. Anger, denial, bargaining, depression, acceptance

Some are stuck in anger and denial, most are starting to bargain by donating to scam recount funds. By January, depression will start to set in for the majority.

A few will always be stuck in anger and denial. Most will eventually cope. They will never cope gracefully.

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Response to Proud liberal 80 (Original post)

Sun Nov 15, 2020, 04:28 PM

30. The Division will get worse. The GOP sees the trend

They cannot win on Democracy 'one person one vote'. No winners in a civil war. stealing elections isn't sustainable.

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Response to Proud liberal 80 (Original post)

Sun Nov 15, 2020, 04:39 PM

31. We're way beyond that

Not happening.

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Response to Proud liberal 80 (Original post)

Sun Nov 15, 2020, 04:44 PM

32. Agreed! We must drill them, stomp them, out vote them, minimize them and do far more....

..to minimize their impact, footprint, et al for generations to come. Box them in, out fund-raise them, you name it. Wipe them off the electoral and popular vote map. Imprison those who are white supremacists and break the law, no matter how minor the offense.

No let up on our part................ever!

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Response to Proud liberal 80 (Original post)

Sun Nov 15, 2020, 04:55 PM

33. I hate to have to agree, but I agree. The hate is to high, the damage is huge

It is the only huge thing trump has done, is create the kind of hate that we are dealing with, he played with ignorance and won.

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