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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAssange: "From today WikiLeaks has decided to intervene in the U.S. federal election."
In my email:
"Dear WikiLeaks donor,
From today WikiLeaks has decided to intervene in the U.S. federal election. It is clear that whether Republicans or Democrats are in power, without the sort of pressure we can exert when we are at our strongest, the U.S. government will continue to declare the whole world a battleground.
Last Friday, the Pentagon publicly reissued its threats against WikiLeaks, demanding that we destroy our previous publications and cease "soliciting" U.S. military whistleblowers -- and that our failure to do so was an ongoing "crime" and "law enforcement matter". The FBI file for the pending prosecution of WikiLeaks, according to court records from earlier this year, has reached 42,135 pages.
WikiLeaks is determined to stop these and other moves towards what appears to be let's be honest a transnational security state dystopia. We believe knowledge is power and that knowledge should be in the hands of the people. By placing huge quantities of secret knowledge into your hands we can stop the concentration of power that is driving these trends.
We ask that you cast the only vote that matters, and again vote with your wallet.
It is possible for you to make donations with your credit card, despite the attempted blockade. To do so, visit http://wikileaks.org/donate
Also, please consider visiting our campaign website, at http://wikileaks.org/donate2012 and passing it on to your friends and family.
Solidarity,
Julian Assange and Team"
Brickbat
(19,339 posts)nc4bo
(17,651 posts)BTW, I'm a pro-Wikileaks person but I really would like to know what Assange is talking about here.
Brickbat
(19,339 posts)or party.
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)NEVER.
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)Just ask people to donate some cash. Good Grief.
randome
(34,845 posts)Brickbat
(19,339 posts)it's pretty funny.
BenzoDia
(1,010 posts)Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)Arctic Dave
(13,812 posts)POPCORN!!!!!!!
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)Sounds like a crime to me.
Baitball Blogger
(46,757 posts)riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)A staggering amount of money to keep this guy and Wikileaks under wraps.... (thanks s4p).
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021451575
Ecuadorian Embassy
At least four Met officers stand guard around the clock
William Hague admits there is 'no sign of breakthrough'
By Chris Greenwood, Crime Reporter
PUBLISHED: 19:34 EST, 1 October 2012 | UPDATED: 04:51 EST, 2 October 2012
The police bill for staking out the embassy where WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange is evading justice has already reached more than £1million. Scotland Yard confirmed it is costing £11,000 every day to ensure the Australian does not flee his bolthole at the Ecuadorean Embassy ...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2211530/Police-stakeout-Assange-tops-1m-costs-11-000-DAY-ensure-doesnt-flee-Ecuadorian-Embassy.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
randome
(34,845 posts)riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)Even Assange is not above the law.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)indefinitely?
Yeah, Assange is just a nobody..... and the Brits are just being good legal stewards.....
(and I've got a bridge to sell you.....)
randome
(34,845 posts)So, no, I don't have any other examples. Assange, as I'm sure we both agree, is one of a kind.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)in fear of persecution/torture from their own nation state, but now some are running from the West for the very same reasons.
Sad.
tama
(9,137 posts)Free human beings.
randome
(34,845 posts)If, however, you mean that law only exists so far as we all are prepared to 'cooperate' with its needs, I would agree with you.
But if that social construct breaks down, we have anarchy. I prefer something other than that.
Common Law tradition is very interesting, as it is peer to peer voluntary social construct...
pnwmom
(108,994 posts)Like the Libertarians, though even more extreme, he doesn't believe government works. Since Obama is an example of someone who is trying to make government work, he'd rather attack him than Romney or any of the other GOP-economic libertarians.
girl gone mad
(20,634 posts)So black and white. Just... inane.
pnwmom
(108,994 posts)I can take it.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Nations means the President is Kenyan.
pnwmom
(108,994 posts)not hiring a special crew for this job.
Curtland1015
(4,404 posts)Yeah... no.
Thanks, but no.
randome
(34,845 posts)hfojvt
(37,573 posts)and that money should be in the hands of me.
So please send me some ASAP so I can continue to be the great, but humble, person that I am.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
treestar
(82,383 posts)HipChick
(25,485 posts)All they seem to be doing is blowing a lot of hot air of late...
pnwmom
(108,994 posts)MineralMan
(146,329 posts)You got it in one.
pnwmom
(108,994 posts)info about those Swiss bank accounts.
But I'm sure he won't.
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)he is as bad as ralph nader promoting the bullshit about both parties being the same
may he end up rotting in jail.
he is not a hero in my book (and neither is ralph nader).
He is no better than rupert murdock or Bibi from the mideast. foreigners meddling in our elections and making threats.
sounds like extortion and blackmail to me.
pnwmom
(108,994 posts)KamaAina
(78,249 posts)He got his naturalized citizenship fair and square. It just so happened that, purely by coincidence, that made him eligible to buy U.S. TV and radio stations.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)to raise more funds. How cute.
MineralMan
(146,329 posts)No donations for you. Leave our elections alone, thanks.
MineralMan
(146,329 posts)Which is completely an anti-Obama video, I have this to say:
Fuck Wikileaks!
See the video for yourself.
pnwmom
(108,994 posts)It wasn't a coincidence that they didn't leak anything while Bush was in office, even though they were set up and had the means to do so in the last couple years of his term. They were waiting to go after Obama, and they haven't let up since.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)CitizenPatriot
(3,783 posts)in our election with anti Obama propaganda and this will allow a 100% corporate raider to take over and install activist conservative judges who will certainly not side with freedom of information. They will corporatize/privatize the internet as they've been threatening, and this is the result Assange is advocating?
I think he's officially jumped the WTF shark. And he can join Bibi as far as I'm concerned. He's become a sad egomaniac.
Bodhi BloodWave
(2,346 posts)After all, if the above government comes to pass, there are likely to be a lot more secret info, and that means more business for him revealing info(as i'm sure everybody will want him to release it :p)
CitizenPatriot
(3,783 posts)chinese internet after ours is sold off.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Anyone still defending that piece of shit is now defending someone who is actively campaigning against Democrats.
Sid
Wait Wut
(8,492 posts)Would posting a 'pro' Assange/Wikileaks threat now be a violation of the TOS now that they're actively fighting against Democrats?
I think this just might require a donation to DU so Skinner and Co. can buy some aspirin. Bummer, between donating to DU, Pres. Obama and local (and non-local) Dems...I don't have any left over for Assileaks.
Cha
(297,655 posts)defends him..that's their thing..but, the "Fuck Assange" is long overdue.
WilliamPitt
(58,179 posts)Egnever
(21,506 posts)The more this tool talks the more I am convinced he is guilty as hell in the rape he is accused of.
I pegged this guy as an attention whore almost immediately and was called lots of names here because of it. Nice to see others finally catching on to his antics and realizing hes not the hero he made himself out to be.
I've known too many people like this in my life.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)dys·to·pi·a/disˈtōpēə/
Noun:
An imagined place or state in which everything is unpleasant or bad, typically a totalitarian or environmentally degraded one.
The transnational security state dystopia is being instituted by the 1%, and is being instituted for the express purpose of insuring and securing their wealth and power, and the protection of all their material interests globally. Democracy, freedom, planetary environment, and the overall well-being of the vast majority of human beings worldwide all suffer immensely because of the undeniably sociopathic intentions, and actions, of the 1%.
Knowledge should be in the hands of the people, and Wikileaks reveals facts, knowledge, of facts that are purposely hidden, facts about the intentions and the violent and destructive activities sanctioned by the 1% that the 1% strongly desires to hide from the general population of the world. The 1% wishes to subjugate us under their authoritarian control. Actually understanding who our real enemy is, based on knowledge of facts about our enemy's nefarious intentions and misdeeds, is primary knowledge that is necessary to incite people to rebel against the aggressive authoritarianism of the 1%, and the forces financed by the 1% (and also financed by we hapless taxpayers who have already been partially subjugated to serve the 1%.
Wikileaks makes the sociopathic intentions of the 1% clear by exposing facts that illustrate the secretive and sociopathic essential nature of the 1% -a heartless, conscienceless killing machine that will mercilessly destroy anything that gets in the way of its all consuming gluttony and greed.
If you ever wonder why so many, on the internet, and elsewhere, seem insanely obsessed with destroying Julian Assange and Wikileaks and are spending so much time and energy on their crusade...well, it ain't rocket science.
pnwmom
(108,994 posts)He's trying to give more power to the worst among us simply to prove his theory that all government is evil.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)IMO, it is best to communicate sincerely, and accurately, when trying to make a point. If you pull things that have no basis in reality out of the air, and then state these fabrications as fact, then how could you expect anyone to take what you say seriously?
If you don't believe that it is necessary to question authority, or to objectively point out obvious wrongdoing by those in authority because of certain predetermined prejudices, that's fine, that's totally your right.
But many of us feel that questioning authority, and questioning the actions of those in authority, are totally necessary for any type of basic honest government. And if those in authority do something that we consider to be wrong, we will call them on it directly. We desire to know the truth, and have our leaders represent us with standards and actions that are transparent and ethical. If you do not feel this way, that is also your right.
While I have long supported Julian and Wikileaks, I do not not love them beyond question, and if I see that they've fucked up, I point it out directly and honestly, instead of blindly and passionately defending them when they are wrong. I do not recognize, or admire, any authority as so great that it is beyond question reproach. That kind of crap is dangerous to all life.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=1457875
In their blind loyalty, devotion, and obedience, many people loved and adored Adolf Hitler so much that they accepted everything he said and did without question. "Good Germans", they have been called. Those who do not question authority make model citizens in monarchies, dictatorships, and plutarchies, but they add up to less than zero in a democracy.
"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent."
Thomas Jefferson
"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter."
Martin Luther King, Jr.
pnwmom
(108,994 posts)Zorra
(27,670 posts)You've developed a reputation as anti-establishment and anti-institution.
Not at all. Creating a well-run establishment is a difficult thing to do, and I've been in countries where institutions are in a state of collapse, so I understand the difficulty of running a company. Institutions don't come from nowhere.
It's not correct to put me in any one philosophical or economic camp, because I've learned from many. But one is American libertarianism, market libertarianism. So as far as markets are concerned I'm a libertarian, but I have enough expertise in politics and history to understand that a free market ends up as monopoly unless you force them to be free.
WikiLeaks is designed to make capitalism more free and ethical.
Does that sound like a raving anarchist to you?
pnwmom
(108,994 posts)That doesn't mean he's not also an anarchist, as his mother was. Many anarchists consider themselves Libertarians.
In any case, any real progressive is nuts to support him. He doesn't have the aims of progressivism in mind. As a self-proclaimed free-market libertarian, he's their enemy.
randome
(34,845 posts)It's a good thing we have him making decisions on our behalf!
Zorra
(27,670 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)ALL knowledge? No national secrets? No police investigations?
Assange seems to want all knowledge to be available all the time to all the people. That might sound cool in an imaginary Utopian society but it's hardly the world we live in.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)because our government has been almost completely corrupted and compromised by wealthy private interests, and acts primarily as the servant of these wealthy private interests, particularly in many of their actions and interactions with respect to other nations.
These actions, IMO, have the basic concern of protecting the economic and material interests of wealthy private interests, rather than the interests of American citizens and the citizens of other sovereign nations as well.
I believe, at the very least, any communication expressed, or action taken by government officials that indicates any breach of what would be considered the normal accepted ethical standards of our society is fair game.
Anything that indicates malicious or nefarious intention or action that is contrary to the well being of innocent human beings, particularly those things done primarily in the service of wealthy private interests, is fair game.
It's basically very simple, really:
Don't do any anti-democratic, disingenuous, nasty, rotten, evil shit for profit, and there won't be anything for us to expose, and/or feel morally compelled to expose. That should not sound unreasonable to any decent human being.
http://www.youtube.com/channel/HCpip5nmMjBYM
randome
(34,845 posts)Sometimes it's for power and sometimes it's simply because it's necessary. I agree with the idea of more transparency but I sure as hell don't think I'm in a position to second-guess every aspect of our country.
I'm no national defense expert. I'm no law enforcement expert. There are things beyond my ability to micro-manage. With a President like Obama, I at least feel a little more comfortable thinking things aren't entirely as out of control as they were.
The sky is not always falling. That doesn't mean we should stop being vigilant but it's not always necessary to put the worst possible spin on things, either.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)I wasn't born yesterday. I have absolutely no reason to believe that much has changed regarding control of our government by wealthy private interests over the past 4 years.
I have not seen any marked reversal of control of our government by wealthy private interests in the past 4 years, and I'm going to continue to believe what I actually see rather than what anyone tells me.
Democrats are way better than republicans, but they still primarily serve the interests of the 1%, and until wealthy private interests are completely eradicated from influencing government, I will continue in my lack of faith in government as a democratic and ethical institution.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,240 posts)truebrit71
(20,805 posts)Riiiiiiiiiight....I am officially dis-owning both he and his organisation..
jwirr
(39,215 posts)Odin2005
(53,521 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)well said
Sid
Bake
(21,977 posts)But if you're any other man, you're guilty until proven innocent ...
Bake
Iggo
(47,565 posts)Oh, wait...
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)pnwmom
(108,994 posts)So, yes, he does ruffle the feathers of people who still hold out the hope for democratic government.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Democracy won't survive without it being held accountable. Even governments run by Democrats.
pnwmom
(108,994 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)But his endless narcissistic crap is more than a little trying.
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Chorophyll
(5,179 posts)Feeling vindicated.
Have fun intervening from your undisclosed location, Mr. Assange.
progressivebydesign
(19,458 posts)He's so fucking irrelevant. Another Nader... self important asshole.
He wants your MONEY.. hellooo?? is anyone dumb enough to give them money?? Anyone in Washington State knows of Tim Eymann... same MO.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Jeff In Milwaukee
(13,992 posts)Something like that.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Other countries continue to read them and to report on their contents.
The B of A files were stolen by Daniel Domscheit-Berg and destroyed. He has admitted this. You know, the guy who was supposed to launch a WikiLeaks rival but did nothing else but create a place-holder on the internet.
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)''Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.'' ~Martin Luther King, Jr.
- K&R
bluestate10
(10,942 posts)Otherwise, shut the fuck up.
Fire Walk With Me
(38,893 posts)then =I= am an enemy of the state as well. Obama said something once supporting whistleblowers. Let's make it functional. Release Bradley Manning!
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)scared. He's such a powerful, strong, goodly man. He's a Pied Piper. Ooooooh.