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patricia92243

(12,591 posts)
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 12:46 PM Nov 2020

No link, but CNN said Giuliani does not get paid - now or even when he was

looking for dirt on Hunter Biden.

I don't usually go for the blackmail, conspiracy stuff, but this is just too much. Trump either has dirt on Giuliani or he has promised him some sort of big payoff on one of his financial schemes. Giuliani is stupid enough to believe one of his lies.

Maybe everyone else already knew this. I am just learning about it. What say ye?

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Skraxx

(2,967 posts)
2. This Has Been Known, IMO, He's on Putin's Payroll, and he's Running Around Setting up his OWN
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 12:48 PM
Nov 2020

Schemes as well. He's a bag man. They skim off the top. Remember how he went around screaming how Hunter was Trump's bag man and how horrible that was? They always reveal themselves through projections.

SomedayKindaLove

(528 posts)
4. Michael Cohen did free work for Trump too
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 12:52 PM
Nov 2020

I think certain people get drawn in by the power and then find themselves endlessly swirling in the Trump vortex. Cults can be like that.

Sanity Claws

(21,840 posts)
5. My thoughts
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 12:54 PM
Nov 2020

1. He is on retirement status with the NYS bar and can provide only pro bono services. Charging for his services would put him in serious trouble with the NYS Bar.

2. He is getting paid. Lev Parnas (sp?) said that Giuliani was paid $500K for a combination of business and legal advice. See https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-whistleblower-giuliani-excl/exclusive-trump-lawyer-giuliani-was-paid-500000-to-consult-on-indicted-associates-firm-idUSKBN1WU07Z

Time to report Giuliani to the Bar and get his license lifted.

Cicada

(4,533 posts)
6. Paul Manafort also worked for free, which makes sense really
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 12:55 PM
Nov 2020

The publicity should cause many others to hire them. Trump knows that so he gets them to work for free.

poli-junkie

(997 posts)
7. According to Lev Parnas: There's that Ukraine mobster living in Italy ? or Vienna ? who's avoiding
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 12:58 PM
Nov 2020

being extradited to US ? or back to Ukraine ? to face corruption charges. Lev says the Ukraine guy has been paying Ghuliani.

crickets

(25,952 posts)
11. Pretty sure Lev is telling the truth here. Dmytro Firtash is the money man.
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 03:31 PM
Nov 2020

Parnas, Fruman et al were intermediaries for Firtash, who himself can be seen as an intermediary for Putin.

A trip down memory lane:

https://time.com/5699201/exclusive-how-a-ukrainian-oligarch-wanted-by-u-s-authorities-helped-giuliani-attack-biden/

Firtash has established close ties to the former mayor of New York City in part by recruiting several of Giuliani’s associates. In July the oligarch hired two lawyers who have been helping Giuliani in his campaign to discredit Trump’s critics: Victoria Toensing and Joseph DiGenova, a married couple Trump considered hiring in 2018 as part of his private legal team. Best known as diehard defenders of Trump on Fox News, the couple has combed through the oligarch’s case files and used some of them in the effort to defend Trump on television and in the press.

Toensing and DiGenova then hired another Giuliani associate, Lev Parnas, to serve as their interpreter in communications with Firtash in Vienna, according to a statement the lawyers sent TIME on Oct. 11. While on his way to Vienna on Oct. 9, Parnas was arrested at Dulles Airport in Washington and charged with violating campaign finance laws. The indictment against him alleges that Parnas and his business partners secretly channeled money from an unidentified Russian donor to various political causes and candidates. Parnas has not entered a plea. His colleagues in the Firtash legal team declined to comment on the arrest.


https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/10/how-an-indicted-oligarch-became-a-key-player-in-trumps-ukraine-scandal/

Parnas and Fruman were arrested at Dulles Airport in Virginia on October 9. Both had one-way tickets to Vienna. Giuliani, meanwhile, revealed to reporters that he had intended to travel to Vienna the next day, sparking speculation that the travel plans of all three men were somehow related to Firtash. Giuliani told NBC News he “wasn’t planning to go see” Firtash in Vienna. John Dowd, a former lawyer for Trump who now represents Parnas and Fruman, did not respond to requests for comment.

The overlap between Parnas and Fruman’s business activities, their dirt-digging with Giuliani, and their interactions with Firtash raises questions about the true scope of the Trump-Ukraine scandal—a story that has grown far beyond the initial controversy over a phone call between Trump and the Ukrainian president. Is it possible that Firtash’s case, Parnas and Fruman’s plotting, and Giuliani’s freelancing in Ukraine are intertwined? Asked by phone whether Firtash hoped to win favor with Trump and his Justice Department by helping to undermine the president’s critics, Toensing declined to comment on the record and abruptly hung up.


https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/who-dmytro-firtash-man-linked-1-million-loan-giuliani-ally-n1121561

"For us to be able to receive information from Firtash, we had to promise Firtash something," Parnas said. "So for Firtash, it was basically telling him that we knew his case was worthless here and that he's being prosecuted for no reason. And that basically, it could get taken care of."

In other words, according to Parnas: Guiliani, the former New York City mayor who made his name putting mob figures in prison as a U.S. attorney, was so eager to help Trump and hurt Biden that he turned to a man Ukrainian activists call their country's most dangerous oligarch — and offered the equivalent of a get-out-of-jail-free card.


https://www.reuters.com/article/russia-capitalism-gas-special-report-pix/special-report-putins-allies-channelled-billions-to-ukraine-oligarch-idUSL3N0TF4QD20141126

The Firtash story is more than one man’s grab for riches. It demonstrates how Putin uses Russian state assets to create streams of cash for political allies, and how he exported this model to Ukraine in an attempt to dominate his neighbour, which he sees as vital to Russia’s strategic interests. With the help of Firtash, Yanukovich won power and went on to rule Ukraine for four years. The relationship had great geopolitical value for Putin: Yanukovich ended up steering the nation of more than 44 million away from the West’s orbit and towards Moscow’s until he was overthrown in February.

“Firtash has always been an intermediary,” said Viktor Chumak, chairman of the anti-corruption committee in the previous Ukrainian parliament. “He is a political person representing Russia’s interests in Ukraine.”





The Firtash end of the Ukraine scandal—which House managers avoided out of a fear they'd over-complicate their case—is what makes the Ukraine scandal one of the worst in U.S. history.

Upshot: Democrats are fighting Trump with both hands behind their back.


I'm not going to second-guess the impeachment team, and in the end Abramson is sympathetic to their decisions. They did a great job, and with an honest Senate, would have prevailed. It's still worthwhile to make the trip through Abramson's reasoning. His conclusions are terrifying. Biden winning the election really did save the country.

poli-junkie

(997 posts)
12. Ah, thanks for this background. I now recall these criminal intricacies.
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 03:39 PM
Nov 2020

In the end, Ghouliani might be trying to get himself pardoned.

crickets

(25,952 posts)
13. Oh, criminal intricacies is a great way to describe it.
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 11:44 PM
Nov 2020

With trump's crowd, it's like you need several hundred bookmarks and a wall sized flow chart with little red strings going from peg to peg to keep track of it all. Somebody mentioned Firtash recently so he was fresh in my mind again or I'd have forgotten all about him.

Rudy may be trying for that pardon, but he really hasn't delivered anything but semi-comical ineptitude, so...

underpants

(182,603 posts)
9. Rudy is trying to show no income - something to do with his divorce
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 01:23 PM
Nov 2020

He’s still getting money probably from the Ukraine but he is trying to limit his income as much as possible right now.

ecstatic

(32,648 posts)
14. Sort of like how the convicted criminal Paul Manafort
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 11:49 PM
Nov 2020

didn't get paid. Except for when he was getting paid by putin. They're all crooked, criminal traitors.

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