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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsNo link, but CNN said Giuliani does not get paid - now or even when he was
looking for dirt on Hunter Biden.
I don't usually go for the blackmail, conspiracy stuff, but this is just too much. Trump either has dirt on Giuliani or he has promised him some sort of big payoff on one of his financial schemes. Giuliani is stupid enough to believe one of his lies.
Maybe everyone else already knew this. I am just learning about it. What say ye?
pandr32
(11,553 posts)patricia92243
(12,591 posts)Skraxx
(2,967 posts)Schemes as well. He's a bag man. They skim off the top. Remember how he went around screaming how Hunter was Trump's bag man and how horrible that was? They always reveal themselves through projections.
SomedayKindaLove
(528 posts)I think certain people get drawn in by the power and then find themselves endlessly swirling in the Trump vortex. Cults can be like that.
Sanity Claws
(21,840 posts)1. He is on retirement status with the NYS bar and can provide only pro bono services. Charging for his services would put him in serious trouble with the NYS Bar.
2. He is getting paid. Lev Parnas (sp?) said that Giuliani was paid $500K for a combination of business and legal advice. See https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-whistleblower-giuliani-excl/exclusive-trump-lawyer-giuliani-was-paid-500000-to-consult-on-indicted-associates-firm-idUSKBN1WU07Z
Time to report Giuliani to the Bar and get his license lifted.
Cicada
(4,533 posts)The publicity should cause many others to hire them. Trump knows that so he gets them to work for free.
poli-junkie
(997 posts)being extradited to US ? or back to Ukraine ? to face corruption charges. Lev says the Ukraine guy has been paying Ghuliani.
crickets
(25,952 posts)Parnas, Fruman et al were intermediaries for Firtash, who himself can be seen as an intermediary for Putin.
A trip down memory lane:
https://time.com/5699201/exclusive-how-a-ukrainian-oligarch-wanted-by-u-s-authorities-helped-giuliani-attack-biden/
Toensing and DiGenova then hired another Giuliani associate, Lev Parnas, to serve as their interpreter in communications with Firtash in Vienna, according to a statement the lawyers sent TIME on Oct. 11. While on his way to Vienna on Oct. 9, Parnas was arrested at Dulles Airport in Washington and charged with violating campaign finance laws. The indictment against him alleges that Parnas and his business partners secretly channeled money from an unidentified Russian donor to various political causes and candidates. Parnas has not entered a plea. His colleagues in the Firtash legal team declined to comment on the arrest.
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/10/how-an-indicted-oligarch-became-a-key-player-in-trumps-ukraine-scandal/
The overlap between Parnas and Frumans business activities, their dirt-digging with Giuliani, and their interactions with Firtash raises questions about the true scope of the Trump-Ukraine scandala story that has grown far beyond the initial controversy over a phone call between Trump and the Ukrainian president. Is it possible that Firtashs case, Parnas and Frumans plotting, and Giulianis freelancing in Ukraine are intertwined? Asked by phone whether Firtash hoped to win favor with Trump and his Justice Department by helping to undermine the presidents critics, Toensing declined to comment on the record and abruptly hung up.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/who-dmytro-firtash-man-linked-1-million-loan-giuliani-ally-n1121561
In other words, according to Parnas: Guiliani, the former New York City mayor who made his name putting mob figures in prison as a U.S. attorney, was so eager to help Trump and hurt Biden that he turned to a man Ukrainian activists call their country's most dangerous oligarch and offered the equivalent of a get-out-of-jail-free card.
https://www.reuters.com/article/russia-capitalism-gas-special-report-pix/special-report-putins-allies-channelled-billions-to-ukraine-oligarch-idUSL3N0TF4QD20141126
Firtash has always been an intermediary, said Viktor Chumak, chairman of the anti-corruption committee in the previous Ukrainian parliament. He is a political person representing Russias interests in Ukraine.
Link to tweet
Upshot: Democrats are fighting Trump with both hands behind their back.
I'm not going to second-guess the impeachment team, and in the end Abramson is sympathetic to their decisions. They did a great job, and with an honest Senate, would have prevailed. It's still worthwhile to make the trip through Abramson's reasoning. His conclusions are terrifying. Biden winning the election really did save the country.
poli-junkie
(997 posts)In the end, Ghouliani might be trying to get himself pardoned.
crickets
(25,952 posts)With trump's crowd, it's like you need several hundred bookmarks and a wall sized flow chart with little red strings going from peg to peg to keep track of it all. Somebody mentioned Firtash recently so he was fresh in my mind again or I'd have forgotten all about him.
Rudy may be trying for that pardon, but he really hasn't delivered anything but semi-comical ineptitude, so...
njhoneybadger
(3,910 posts)underpants
(182,603 posts)Hes still getting money probably from the Ukraine but he is trying to limit his income as much as possible right now.
brush
(53,741 posts)ecstatic
(32,648 posts)didn't get paid. Except for when he was getting paid by putin. They're all crooked, criminal traitors.
poli-junkie
(997 posts)in representing Trump to delegitimize the election.