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Celerity

(43,583 posts)
Tue Nov 17, 2020, 04:08 AM Nov 2020

Harry Styles wore a dress on the cover of Vogue - and US rightwingers lost it

The magazine made history by featuring the musician as its first-ever male cover star – but prominent conservatives voiced disapproval over what he was wearing

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2020/nov/16/harry-styles-vogue-cover-dress



On Friday, storied fashion publication US Vogue made history by featuring British pop singer (and former One Direction heartthrob) Harry Styles as its first-ever male cover star. The cover immediately sparked passionate conversations around masculinity and gendered dressing: Styles dons a voluminous periwinkle blue gown paired with a black tuxedo jacket (both designed by Gucci). The image felt representative of a growing exploration of gender-fluidity and non-binary dressing taking place, popular among the very millennial and Gen-Z shoppers Vogue is targeted towards. However, prominent conservatives – from Candice Owens to Ben Shapiro – voiced disapproval of Styles wearing dresses. Owens wrote on her Twitter page Friday evening: “Bring back manly men.”







“There is no society that can survive without strong men,” Owens, a rightwing media powerhouse, said. “The East knows this. In the west, the steady feminization of our men at the same time that Marxism is being taught to our children is not a coincidence. It is an outright attack.” [sic] Ben Shapiro, a conservative pundit, appeared to agree with Owens’ attacks. He shared her tweet and added: “Anyone who pretends this is not a referendum on masculinity for men to don floofy dresses is treating you like a full-on idiot.”




These comments fit in with how contested and divisive debates around gender expression have become in the US, even when a massively popular musician such as Styles, who identifies as cisgender, engages in progressive developments. This is not the first time Styles has played around with fashion in bold ways. The singer wore a black dress by the Japanese brand Commes Des Garçons on the cover of the Guardian Weekend and defended the queer aesthetics of his visual work. “I’m not just sprinkling in sexual ambiguity to be interesting,” he said. “I want things to look a certain way. Not because it makes me look gay, or it makes me look straight, or it makes me look bisexual, but because I think it looks cool.”

Fellow Hollywood stars were quick to come to Styles’ defence. Olivia Wilde, who is currently directing a Styles-led film, replied to Owens’ tweets with: “You’re pathetic.” And The Good Place actress Jameela Jamil tweeted out in Styles’ defence: “Manly is whatever you want it to be.” Meanwhile, others have argued Styles cover may not be enough for increasing acceptance towards non-binary expression and identities. “Harry Styles’ Vogue cover may be historic, but it isn’t radical,” the Daily Beast declared in a headline. If this is the furore a white, cis man wearing a dress on Vogue breeds, it is hard to imagine what a model from a marginalized background – say, a trans woman of colour (which Vogue has yet to feature on its cover) – would face.

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Harry Styles wore a dress on the cover of Vogue - and US rightwingers lost it (Original Post) Celerity Nov 2020 OP
Get a life right wingers LeftInTX Nov 2020 #1
SMH Solly Mack Nov 2020 #2
All I know about Harry Styles is that he's a) famous b) British c) youngish man and... RockRaven Nov 2020 #3
lol, made you click!!! Celerity Nov 2020 #5
The cons' attitude kind of clashes with that boxy hat of disalitervisum Nov 2020 #4
... Celerity Nov 2020 #8
They don't really believe that stuff. Caliman73 Nov 2020 #46
Yep canetoad Nov 2020 #6
not that lovely of a gown IMO. perhaps he has a second dress lol nt msongs Nov 2020 #7
Reminds me of Scarlett O'Hara torius Nov 2020 #9
Hey Candy, you know what else your erstwhile era of the manly-man was? mr_lebowski Nov 2020 #10
and back in the day, if white, had their way with us women of colour Celerity Nov 2020 #13
She may want to look into the life style safeinOhio Nov 2020 #19
Or Maybe The Lifestyle Of Ubu Prez's Mouthpiece smb Nov 2020 #26
Nasty man! LuvNewcastle Nov 2020 #11
Rightwingers feel threatened by personal freedom. Deb Nov 2020 #12
But what about Scottish men in kilts? DeminPennswoods Nov 2020 #14
You do know why they're called kilts... mwooldri Nov 2020 #18
Reich wingers sure lose their shit over the most inconsequential stuff. SunSeeker Nov 2020 #15
they need to keep their lemmings dancing to a continuous tune from the outrage Wurlitzer so the Celerity Nov 2020 #17
Their fortress view of family is attacked by non-trad gender, working moms, reproductive rights, Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2020 #25
Hmm... Mike Nelson Nov 2020 #16
so true! good point, those pronger RWers are only making Styles some extra dosh, lolol Celerity Nov 2020 #22
Right wingers, invested in the old powers of the gender divide as a law of nature, ancianita Nov 2020 #20
they really hate it when we marry another girl!!!!! Celerity Nov 2020 #23
Let's be serious. That's really not the best photo of him!... Illumination Nov 2020 #21
Kathy Griffin does a hilarious send-up of him in her Celebrity run-in book. cwydro Nov 2020 #28
Amy McGrath & Tammy Duckworth fit my def'n of strong. Don't judge wine by the label. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2020 #24
I think Harry looks great! I especially like the shot with crinoline cage. blogslut Nov 2020 #27
Not understanding how this is a big deal anymore Zing Zing Zingbah Nov 2020 #29
How did this become political all of a sudden? FakeNoose Nov 2020 #30
Say what Benny? Voltaire2 Nov 2020 #31
Nailed it. tavernier Nov 2020 #33
Harry is cool. Keth Nov 2020 #32
The RW'ers and their precious feelings Blue Owl Nov 2020 #34
Oh noes! This is the end of civilization as we know it! tanyev Nov 2020 #35
I know, right? crickets Nov 2020 #50
Ben Shapiro is a piece of garbage. Initech Nov 2020 #36
We Oppose BeerBarrelPolka Nov 2020 #37
And although they're British... jmowreader Nov 2020 #42
world is full of 'manly men' bigtree Nov 2020 #38
Big Daddy is a MAGAt manly man Celerity Nov 2020 #39
manly men bigtree Nov 2020 #40
I'm sorry but he looks silly flotsam Nov 2020 #41
And he's not afraid of 'looking silly'. Neither was David Bowie or Graham Chapman GoneOffShore Nov 2020 #43
I don't care flotsam Nov 2020 #45
That's a far deeper dive than I have time or oxygen for. But knock yourself out. GoneOffShore Nov 2020 #47
Or sound absurd if you wish. LanternWaste Nov 2020 #51
Flip Wilson dressed in drag as Geraldine every week for years. crickets Nov 2020 #52
I'm personally shocked jmowreader Nov 2020 #44
This is the kind of cultural issue that gets inflated to the level where it becomes the Dems' fault. Yavin4 Nov 2020 #48
Ya I know I have sooooo much time to give a fuck about this one way or the other. Volaris Nov 2020 #49
Probably the same types who think male ballet dancers are prissy little weaklings. Aristus Nov 2020 #53

RockRaven

(15,023 posts)
3. All I know about Harry Styles is that he's a) famous b) British c) youngish man and...
Tue Nov 17, 2020, 04:19 AM
Nov 2020

the fact that 1) Vogue and 2) Ben Fucking Shapiro give a shit what he's wearing make me say:

"Nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope"

No click. No read. No care. No want to know. (Dammit I clicked on this thread, didn't I?)

Bad internet! Bad!!!

Maybe you need spanking internet

 

disalitervisum

(470 posts)
4. The cons' attitude kind of clashes with that boxy hat of
Tue Nov 17, 2020, 04:20 AM
Nov 2020

"individual freedom" that they wear, doesn't it.

Caliman73

(11,749 posts)
46. They don't really believe that stuff.
Tue Nov 17, 2020, 02:30 PM
Nov 2020

Individual freedom only exists within their box of what is "appropriate".

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
10. Hey Candy, you know what else your erstwhile era of the manly-man was?
Tue Nov 17, 2020, 04:35 AM
Nov 2020

I'll tell ya ... it was also the era where women kept their mouths shut if they knew what was good for 'em.

Celerity

(43,583 posts)
13. and back in the day, if white, had their way with us women of colour
Tue Nov 17, 2020, 04:44 AM
Nov 2020

she is such a sell-out, given her background

In 2007, while a 17-year-old senior in high school, Owens said she received three racist death threat voicemail messages, totaling two minutes, that were traced to a car in which the 14-year-old son of then-Mayor, and future governor, Dannel Malloy was present. Joshua Starr, the city's superintendent of schools, listened to the voicemail messages and said that they were "horrendous". Owens' family sued the Stamford Board of Education in federal court, alleging that the city did not protect her rights, resulting in a $37,500 settlement in January 2008. She has a TED talk on the subject.


and lol

Owens pursued an undergraduate degree in journalism at the University of Rhode Island. She left after her junior year because of an issue with her student loan. Afterwards, she worked as an intern for Vogue magazine in New York.

safeinOhio

(32,733 posts)
19. She may want to look into the life style
Tue Nov 17, 2020, 06:23 AM
Nov 2020

of King James I in the early 1600s. Quite the fashion queen and commissioned her beloved version of the Bible.

LuvNewcastle

(16,860 posts)
11. Nasty man!
Tue Nov 17, 2020, 04:35 AM
Nov 2020

I want to see him gain some weight so he can model some maternity fashions. Just thinking about that makes me want to grab him by the asshole!

mwooldri

(10,303 posts)
18. You do know why they're called kilts...
Tue Nov 17, 2020, 06:18 AM
Nov 2020

If you make fun of a Scot wearing one, you might get kilt...

I'll pack me bags...

SunSeeker

(51,744 posts)
15. Reich wingers sure lose their shit over the most inconsequential stuff.
Tue Nov 17, 2020, 05:09 AM
Nov 2020

Nothing Harry Styles wears could keep men from being "manly men."

Celerity

(43,583 posts)
17. they need to keep their lemmings dancing to a continuous tune from the outrage Wurlitzer so the
Tue Nov 17, 2020, 05:23 AM
Nov 2020

filthy lucre keeps on pouring in

it's one giant long con

Candice Owens is outrageously hypocritical to be a Rump sucker, given her background (I went into in another reply here)

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,047 posts)
25. Their fortress view of family is attacked by non-trad gender, working moms, reproductive rights,
Tue Nov 17, 2020, 07:25 AM
Nov 2020

... and so much else. If they are white, then right-wingers tend to add People of Colour to the list of attacks they perceive; hence tRump's appeal to suburban white wives with reference to hordes of low income housing dwellers which is a code phrase for PoC.

The all-or-nothing binary thinking, as illustrated about gender/sex, means that every progressive step is fought tooth and nail:

* abolition of slavery
* desegregation
* women's votes
* reproductive rights
* same sex marriage
* fluoridation of water
* vaccination for papilloma virus
* sex education
* drug legalization

You can add things like Obamacare as the "thin edge of the wedge of communism".

You may see those items as progress. They seem them as mortal wounds to "their country" that have to be reversed. They are perpetually stressed and in a defensive crouch all the time. No wondered there is such a large cult of trumpanzees, even to death by Covid.

Republicons have corralled their sheep and jacked up their self-infliced PTSD from modern society to the nth degree.

Mike Nelson

(9,972 posts)
16. Hmm...
Tue Nov 17, 2020, 05:21 AM
Nov 2020

... his publicist and staff should get a BIG bonus. It's difficult to do something outrageous in today's outrageous Media and get noticed- this is all over social media. Congratulations to the Styles publicity dept!

ancianita

(36,152 posts)
20. Right wingers, invested in the old powers of the gender divide as a law of nature,
Tue Nov 17, 2020, 06:48 AM
Nov 2020

hated when women first wore pants. Or shirts, vests, belts, sensible shoes, drove, worked at a profession, traveled, voted.

They got used to women wearing male garb because they indulged women as pretenders to male power. But men doing the same -- as taboo as controlling men's private parts and sexuality.

We've gone through 100 years of Ben Shapiro's masculinized idiocy:

“Anyone who pretends this is not a referendum[public agreement] on masculinity [femininity] for men[women] to don floofy dresses[gangster garb] is treating you like a full-on idiot.”



Kanye, Vin Diesel

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
28. Kathy Griffin does a hilarious send-up of him in her Celebrity run-in book.
Tue Nov 17, 2020, 08:15 AM
Nov 2020

Yeah, I don’t think he looks good in that dress, but I don’t think he looks good in the suit picture either.

blogslut

(38,019 posts)
27. I think Harry looks great! I especially like the shot with crinoline cage.
Tue Nov 17, 2020, 08:07 AM
Nov 2020

Candace and Ben are a couple of outrage mongers and I'm tired of their obvious bullshit.

Men have worn and still wear dress-like garments the world over. 'Masculinity' is an amorphous term and so is 'femininity'. In the eye of the bearer or the beholder. That's the point trying to be made.

Zing Zing Zingbah

(6,496 posts)
29. Not understanding how this is a big deal anymore
Tue Nov 17, 2020, 08:21 AM
Nov 2020

Of course drag queens like RuPaul do it all the time and also Jonathan Van Ness from Queer Eye. I think conservatives are freaking out about the idea of straight guys in dresses, but Nirvana did this way back in the 90's.

FakeNoose

(32,801 posts)
30. How did this become political all of a sudden?
Tue Nov 17, 2020, 08:23 AM
Nov 2020

Why would right-wing nutjobs even care what a man wears on a fashion magazine photo shoot? They clearly need to find something to keep themselves occupied.

Maybe go deer hunting or something.

Keth

(184 posts)
32. Harry is cool.
Tue Nov 17, 2020, 09:06 AM
Nov 2020

"What is this song?" I asked the bartender of the local brew pub where I would go for beers and pizza before Covid. (The pub is barely hanging on which makes me sad). It was probably the fourth time I heard it as the bartender seemed to be always playing the same playlist when I was sitting at his bar. For some reason, the song caught my attention.

"She by Harry Styles", J the bartender answered. When I got home with the perfect beer buzz, I went to iTunes and previewed the album Fine Line that featured She and ended up downloading the record. I was surprised, although I don't know why, that I really liked the music. I'm now a fan.

I love the Vogue photographs. Harry has Style - and nice music.

BeerBarrelPolka

(1,202 posts)
37. We Oppose
Tue Nov 17, 2020, 11:13 AM
Nov 2020

"We, acting in tandem, vehemently oppose any male celebrity from crossdressing in any shape or form. It is not becoming of American society and should be condemned at once."

Sincerely,

Milton Berle
Flip Wilson

bigtree

(86,008 posts)
38. world is full of 'manly men'
Tue Nov 17, 2020, 11:18 AM
Nov 2020

...it's always refreshing, and much more interesting to me, a man, to see men more focused on womanly things.

Celerity

(43,583 posts)
39. Big Daddy is a MAGAt manly man
Tue Nov 17, 2020, 11:24 AM
Nov 2020

wonder if Candace wants to see his other 'hog' (probably more of a piglet)



flotsam

(3,268 posts)
41. I'm sorry but he looks silly
Tue Nov 17, 2020, 02:06 PM
Nov 2020

Yet still not "threatening" or trendsetting. Here's the thing-a normal person would only lightly engage in discussion. If this "fires you up" you are his absolute audience....

GoneOffShore

(17,342 posts)
43. And he's not afraid of 'looking silly'. Neither was David Bowie or Graham Chapman
Tue Nov 17, 2020, 02:17 PM
Nov 2020

Or as mentioned earlier Flip Wilson or Milton Berle.

flotsam

(3,268 posts)
45. I don't care
Tue Nov 17, 2020, 02:27 PM
Nov 2020

Look silly if you wish. My thing is not to attach a feeling of import to it. I more attach feelings of importance to those actually transgender or somehow in their life sexually searching-like how should I live rather than how should I appear. And I get they are defying gender roles, yet I find it superficial.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
51. Or sound absurd if you wish.
Tue Nov 17, 2020, 07:40 PM
Nov 2020

"Look silly if you wish..."

Or sound absurd if you wish. Which is arguably even more superficial when wrapped up in sanctimony.

crickets

(25,986 posts)
52. Flip Wilson dressed in drag as Geraldine every week for years.
Tue Nov 17, 2020, 07:41 PM
Nov 2020

The nation loved him for it. "What you see *snap* is what you get. Whoo!"

jmowreader

(50,566 posts)
44. I'm personally shocked
Tue Nov 17, 2020, 02:17 PM
Nov 2020

A dress like that and no makeup? On a fashion mag cover, no less? With no eyeshadow you’re only half dressed. For shame, Vogue! For shame, Harry!

Seriously though, can you imagine the Republican head explosions if he was completely done up? It would be glorious.

Yavin4

(35,447 posts)
48. This is the kind of cultural issue that gets inflated to the level where it becomes the Dems' fault.
Tue Nov 17, 2020, 02:34 PM
Nov 2020

This is where people like Bill Maher say: "See Democrats. This is why the red states vote against you."

To which I respond, if there are people basing their vote on the fact that Harry Styles wore a dress, then they're are too stupid to vote, and it should be pointed out as such. Not saying to these people, "hey, you're fucking stupid for voting for petty ridiculous issues that have little to no bearing on your every day life."

Volaris

(10,274 posts)
49. Ya I know I have sooooo much time to give a fuck about this one way or the other.
Tue Nov 17, 2020, 06:38 PM
Nov 2020

'Celeb does something out of the ordinary...'
Oh..it must be tuesday.

'Right wing snowflakes freak about about what happened on tuesday...'
Yep, its Wednesday.

Both are workdays, and we got real problems to solve.

Aristus

(66,474 posts)
53. Probably the same types who think male ballet dancers are prissy little weaklings.
Tue Nov 17, 2020, 07:41 PM
Nov 2020

A ballet dancer, male or female, will fuck your shit up. They are in phenomenal physical condition.

So just because someone doesn't conform to the toxic version of masculinity doesn't mean they're not 'real' men.

Jesus, these people are such idiots...

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