Georgia secretary of state reveals Trump 'suppressed' GOP voters: 'He would have won by ...

[Soph0571]

... 10,000 votes’

Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger on Tuesday said that President Donald Trump had himself to blame for losing the state’s electoral votes in the 2020 election.

Raffensperger told WSB’s Justin Gray that 24,000 Republicans who voted by absentee ballot in the primary did not cast votes in the general election.

The secretary of state linked the lack of participation to Trump’s effort to demonize mail-in voting.

“He would have won by 10 thousand votes — he actually suppressed, depressed his own voting base,” Raffensperger said.

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/11/georgia-secretary-of-state-reveals-trump-suppressed-gop-voters-he-would-have-won-by-10000-votes/]

Karma meet beeeaatchh

[Pantagruel]

1. He's guessing?

No way to estimate how many deterred mail in voters , voted in person instead?
Or how many GOP voters soured on Trump after 4 miserable years.

[mobeau69]

4. He's wanting to get off the dump ship.

[Xipe Totec]

12. SoS very clearly stated voters who voted in primary and did not vote in general election. nt

[wnylib]

23. So they didn't vote by mail

in the general election? How does he know they didn't vote in person? Or maybe they just got tired of Trump. Or got sick at one of his rallies. Or didn't trust mail in votes and were afraid to vote in person because of rising covid cases. Could be any combination of the above.

[Xipe Totec]

33. They didn't vote in the general election, period. nt

[wnylib]

35. How was this information

arrived at? Did someone cross reference all the primary mail ins with all the general mail ins? And then cross check all the in persons in the general with the mail ins from the primary?

[Xipe Totec]

41. You have GOT to be kidding me!

Every person who votes is registered. That's how you keep people from voting twice.

If you're curious, go read about how elections work.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

52. Not what they meant I don't think. They voted in primary.

absentee. The only way you'd know if they didn't vote by any other method is to take a list of the 24000 primary absentee people and match it off to all 2020 voters. Think just taking a leap that they didn't vote.

But I thought the same thing immediately ...that he was supressing his own vote by dissing mail ins and how stupid that was. I suspect trump was trying to attach "Dem" to mail ins so he could say they were all bogus. Part of his plan. His error was that he couldn't get out enough votes in person. Coupled with our big mail in and early vote..
He lost

Now how it could have been this close given we ran against a traitor, liar, bigot....who locked kids in cages, was impeached! and committed negligent homicide is the real question.

[Xipe Totec]

53. We're talking about the Secretary of State. He's in charge of overseeing the election he has access

to the entire voter database and history of every vote in every election, primary or otherwise.

If he wants to cross check primary votes against general election votes all he has to do is order it and it's done.

If he says there are republicans who voted in the primary but did not vote in the general election, I would believe him.

[wnylib]

73. Thanks. Then it's presumed that he

took the time and trouble to cross check, as I suggested, but did not know for sure.

[lagomorph777]

65. kids in cages, waging pandemic biowar on America, launching terror groups...

The real election hack here is that the brains of 47% of America have been hacked.

This is the most terrifying part of the whole thing.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

66. Hell ya.

I would like to see analysis on what makes up the 47%. Not in a dissing sort of
way - but in a way that can pinpoint the segments of that group where we might be able
to come up with a better way to possibly convince.

We definitely misjudged that Covid was their number one issue. You really have
to admit that there might be decent people whose minds don't think in a macro
sense - but in a micro sense - does anyone in my family have it, died, etc. I read that
for every covid positive person, there are on avg 9 people associated with them - loved
ones, friends, etc. Say 10,000,000 got it - and 80% have mild cases or are asymptomatic,
That's automatically 8mill X 9 = 72 mill who probably think it's no big deal.

Those who might think it's a big deal (serious cases and deaths) are then 2 million people who
DID get a serious case or died. Let's say half are republicans. One million. And they are
associated with 9 people. Nine million who might care. Biden is winning by what
5.3 mm?

This is rough - perhaps I missed something - but the point is the I don't think republicans
care about the masses in general. Add in that trump IS in their party. Add in that
he told them over and over to blame China and NOT him. Add in that they are getting
only Fox News information.

Of course, that's just COVID - doesn't even begin to explain why so many would accept
all his other crimes.

[lagomorph777]

70. They don't hear about many of his crimes at all, in their bubble.

But I don't get how they watch what he says and does publicly, and can tolerate that. That's the nut (pardon the pun) that we have to crack.

Unless we can start steering these people toward decency, we are lost.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

72. Need much more information on them. Remember seeing survey

Long ago about what they did not like. Incessant tweeting and kids at border.

It often seems to me that our ads and approach is always...what we want them to be appalled at. Instead of starting with what they already do.

[lagomorph777]

74. Exactly. We have to examine their minds; look at what's already working on them...

...and work from those principles. It's like communicating with an alien species. We can't make assumptions; we have to study their behavior and figure out how it's being manipulated.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

75. Have u seen special on Cambridge Analytica? How they

mined info. Say you clicked on or liked a post about locking up Hillary. They knew that and you were on a list of people who got bombarded with lock her up ads - to reenforce. Every crazy hate topic trump used at rallies had already been tested out. So he KNEW it would go over.

It's some crazy scary mind control stuff.

Course still think the rally people only make up a portion of all his voters.

[lagomorph777]

76. That's the sort of thing I mean. Seriously hack Falsebook and Twit, using the same tricks.

[MrScorpio]

50. Registered voters are tallied when they vote

If they voted by mail, the act of voting by mail is tallied and the fact that they’ve submitted a ballot. If they vote in person, then they have to be identified as a registered person who should receive a ballot. If that person on the registered voter database never submitted a ballot and did not vote in person then they’d know that the person didn’t vote. The best way of doing that is sorting the database to identify voters who voted in the primary but didn’t vote in the general. The database should also indicate the number of people as well.

[Lasher]

34. This is mostly a matter of public record

If I knew who you are I believe I could go online to see which elections you have voted in during the last five decades or so - including which primaries you voted in (Democratic or Republican) and of course which general elections you voted in. I could probably do this just by knowing your name and address.

I don't know if I could find out if you voted absentee or not. But I suppose the GA SOS has resources to make this connection, don't you?

[dsc]

48. In my state, NC, you could do that

All you need is first name, last name. county and birthdate help narrow it down but the first gives you a list. It would list if a person voted, which primaries they voted in, and what type of ballot was used by that voter.

[Lasher]

56. Thanks for fleshing in specifics, DSC

Lately I've not felt like doing that as much as I used to

[klook]

60. In Georgia, you would just have to know name, DOB, & county.

Here’s where you look up the voter:
https://www.mvp.sos.ga.gov/MVP/mvp.do
You can look up any Georgia voter if you know this info.

Just for fun, I looked up “Governor” Brian Kemp’s voting record — his birthday is listed on Wikipedia, and I know he’s from Athens (Clarke County), so it was a piece of cake. He requested an absentee ballot, and it was received on Election Day. This could mean that he turned it in and voted in person. (I turned mine in and voted early in person.)

Looking up aggregate information on many voters is probably available only to officials. But this information has been reported to the public, I believe. I don’t know where off-hand to look that stuff up. If I can find that out, I’ll come back and update this post.

[Lasher]

61. Good for you klook! I do admire an inquiring mind.

If we are to look up aggregate info on many voters, then we employ the magic of computers. If you can look up one, a PC can find many. The Democratic and Republican parties have done this to build massive voter databases. They know how you have voted all your life, so they can get a pretty good idea how you'll vote in the future.

[klook]

62. Heh, I've heard of such like.

The future is grand, isn’t it?

[IsItJustMe]

37. I call this an authoritarian tendency.

Just because he thought it makes it true.

[Rice4VP]

39. States keep track of voters. They know when you vote

and when you don’t. I could log on to my county site and see my voting patterns over the 16 years that I lived in my state

[yellowdogintexas]

71. If they voted in person, they would have checked in so it would be easy to find out

if they voted. If they were sent a ballot by mail, there is a record. Easy enough to pull the ballots not returned and check them against voting record.

If I look in my precinct database, I can trace the path of every vote by mail from voter application to vote received by the elections office. I can also cross reference to a voter who did not return ballot to see if they voted in person. If I can do this, surely the Georgia Sec of State can.

I can look at any voter's history and see every election in which they voted and the method used.

[bullimiami]

27. yup. just making shit up.

[Lock him up.]

32. How many of these are either dead of COVID-19 or in Hospital beds?

[BComplex]

46. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of them did die of COVID. Then the rest of them

had just had enough of trump.

[tinrobot]

2. Serves him right. Maybe he needs to campaign for the GA senators as well.

Suppress even more votes.

[icwlmuscyia]

3. K-K-Karma!

[XanaDUer2]

5. I wondered did he scare his voters

good work, Shlump!

[TeamPooka]

6. Duh, we called that. He killed mail in voting for his base. He stupid.

[AZ8theist]

28. +100000

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[Cha]

7. And, There It IS! We speculated that

trump's demonizing mail-in voting would fuck him UP!

TY!

[soldierant]

8. And who didn't see that coming?

Except maybe Trump* himself.

So much of what he did to try to suppress the vote hurt his own base harder than it hurt us.

[IsItJustMe]

38. I think his game plan was to get all his supporters to vote in person

and then find a way, maybe using the Supreme Court, to invalidate the mail in votes. Epic fail. That is what was running through my mind as he continued to demonize mail in voting.

[soldierant]

58. He was doing his best to make sure they would not be dlivered.

It could take years for the USPS to get all of its destroyed equipment back.

[RKP5637]

9. ...

[crazylikafox]

10. Maybe the Post Office threw their votes out

Since only Democrats were supposed to vote absentee

[Rice4VP]

40. Hilarious

[safeinOhio]

11. He wasn't worth catching

Covid for.

[SomedayKindaLove]

13. This could easily be Rs

Who just didn’t want to vote for Trump and couldn’t for Biden either

[greenjar_01]

16. People have been talking about the strong downballot R performance as if its NOT a horrible

look for Trump. It's a fucking indictment. The strong down-ballot performance surely shows weakness for Dems, but more so weakness for Trump. Even where Rs gained, people couldn't stomach Trump. Hell, the Rs are going to end up flipping 5-6 seats in California alone. Trump will lose California by FIVE MILLION votes.

[greenjar_01]

14. This Raffenberger doesn't like getting strong-armed apparently

I think Trump is going to see a massive increase in people who are 100% not putting up with his shit as his power wanes.

[Iliyah]

19. For pete's sake . . .

they threatened his wife and family. He was not going to take this, period.

Applause at this point in time, he had the "courage" and ran with it.

[Marcuse]

30. Yes, He's no Ted Cruz.

[riversedge]

15. Trumpy is going to be very grumpy when he see this. too bad!!

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pasadenastarnews.com%2Fnon-essential-in-the-covid-19-pandemic-political-cartoons&psig=AOvVaw0OOnF2y07DBJ7jL-9KUtvG&ust=1605731613984000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CAIQjRxqFwoTCNDbnsW2iu0CFQAAAAAdAAAAABAI

[lindysalsagal]

17. ...and this will change in january because....

oh, that's right: THEY NEVER CHANGE!

[SaintLouisBlues]

18. Own goal!

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

20. Now Donny Dumbass is going to scream for a do over

You watch.

[mtnsnake]

21. Putin's Dummy is all that moron will ever be.

[Pepsidog]

22. What's that mean for the Senate run-off elections?

[Midnight Writer]

24. Hopefully, Trump will keep insisting only votes cast on Election day are legitimate.

[world wide wally]

25. Sounds like his dogma got run over by his karma.

[TomCADem]

26. This Is Why I Think The Polls Were Not Accurate. Voter Suppression

Polls cannot measure the mechanics of voting, particularly if the suppression is changing. If you get a polling call, you may say you are going to vote, but if you get to a three hour line or your vote by mail ballot gets stuck in the mail, you would never know that.

[LaMouffette]

29. Wow! Salt meet wound, too!

I'm starting to like that Raffensperger. We need to start saying that Republicans who denounce Trump publicly have Raffensperger Syndrome.

[catrose]

31. I hope it's catching!

[bucolic_frolic]

36. OMG, those voters took the virus *HOAX* seriously

weak-kneed Republicans if there ever was one

[IsItJustMe]

42. This guy, Brad Raffensperger has got more metal than the entire Republican congress

and Republican senate combined. It's refreshing to see at least someone in a Republican leadership position have a spine. I was seriously beginning to doubt it.

[Pantagruel]

45. Raffy's motivation

is his own reputation as a capable SofS. If there was fraud as alleged, he failed at his job of overseeing a fair election. He just refuses to be scapegoated for trump's sake.

[Pantagruel]

43. Let's assume Raffy got it right

24k GOP registered voters failed to vote in the GE after voting by mail in the primary.

The primary showed 100k votes that weren't cast for Trump, no choice, other candidates, etc. out of the 2 million total.

Why not assume the 24k non votes or at least many of them , came from this group of discouraged GOP voters?

[dsc]

49. because they voted in the GOP primary so they would, one assumes,

be as a group likely to vote for GOP candidates overall. The fact they didn't vote at all (not for Trump, not for 2 US Senators, not for GOP Congressional candidates, etc) did likely cost not only him this race but Purdue winning a majority as well.

[Sherman A1]

44. Priceless

[not fooled]

47. Hahaha that's great

but how many voters got wrongly purged from the voter rolls before the election?

The Dem margin of victory would have been much greater.

[DallasNE]

51. Bad Logic

Those 24,000 were disgruntled Republicans voting on down ballot candidates then and opted to sit out the November election in protest of Trump.

[sop]

54. Trump will read this and tweet Raffensperger threw out 24,000 of his votes.

[Maeve]

55. Salt in the wound! Rock salt at that

[BobTheSubgenius]

57. I can't wait to see him try to spin this into a recount, or just a directed total.

That the govt. of GA has the power and the will to just declare him the winner because:

a) His suppression efforts were too good, in this case. And.....

3) He has sadz now.

[Unrepentant Fenian]

59. Haha !!!

[Blue Owl]

63. Oh that is rich... so very rich...

[Progressive dog]

64. Maybe they just didn't like the primary outcome.

Or maybe they got fed up with Trump between the primary and the general elections.

[bucolic_frolic]

67. The only suitable stable genius explanation in a sentence where the verb and noun match

Trump trumped Trump!

[LiberalLovinLug]

68. It was all part of their "brilliant" plan

They had to stick to the script. Which was all mail votes were fraudulent, no matter where, for the plan to work.

Because they knew that overall, across the country, Democrats tended to vote by mail much more than Republicans. They were hoping that it would even be closer in a few more swing states. (of course an outright win was their first choice). So that they could find some technicality about poll watchers or something else, run into a Trump friendly judge, and throw out the mail in ballots.

[AdamGG]

69. I hope this means he will run things legit for the Senate runoffs

and his response to being vilified for his failure to cheat will be to double down on making sure that real votes are counted.