I have some conservative folks I'm acquainted with,

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

we are friends kind of. Lately, (since the election), they are posting about Dominion Voting Systems. I guess they make some voting machines used in the election (not sure where).Seems to me, there was much talk here on DU a few years back that the voting machines were made by a conservative company and maybe used in Ohio? And were easily hackable. Anyone remember? There is no hope of my convincing this person Trump lost fair and square, I an just searching for background on voting machines in general. I think for national elections everyone should use a paper ballot that has a carbon copy so the results could be audited. I could make sure my vote was tallied correctly if I had a copy. Couldn't I?

[Seasider]

1. I believe the company was Diebold

The CEO in 2004 made some stupid statement about how he wanted to help get Bush re-elected. If I recall the Diebold machines had no paper trail making them problematic.

I think it was HBO that did a documentary called Hacking Democracy around that time.

[Demonaut]

2. it was Venezuela or Poland, because we send data out of country for "reasons"..or it's BS

[CaliforniaPeggy]

3. Diebold was the company that made voting machines that were thought to be hackable.

Ohio's SOS said he would deliver Ohio for Bush (I think) and he did.

I remember what you're talking about. Paper ballots should be used. They can be scanned into the machine and I don't believe they can be altered. I don't think you go home with a copy, though.

[brer cat]

6. GA used Diebold starting in 2002,

and after that, didn't elect a Democratic candidate state-wide or for President until this year when they switched to Dominion. Diebold was paperless and Dominion has a paper printout that can be scanned. Makes me go hmmmm.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

8. Yup, makes me go hmmmmmmmmm too.

[yonder]

11. +1. Veddy, veddy interesting.

[Amishman]

15. Diebold was bought by Dominion in 2010

They are the same company essentially

[Bev54]

4. Dominion voting machines are trustworthy and reliable

and are made by a Canadian company out of Ontario, I think. They are used in Canada, US and another country.

[questionseverything]

5. We need hand counted paper ballots &tight chain of custody

Bradblog.com has tons of info on that company

[pecosbob]

7. Something along these lines

https://columbusfreepress.com/article/diebold-indicted-its-spectre-still-haunts-ohio-elections

or this:

https://www.justice-integrity.org/176-rove-vote-switching

Simpson says that Rove once told her that election results can be manipulated to achieve victory without undue suspicion so long as the preferred candidate is within three percentage points of the targeted candidate in the final polls in a state.

*don't know anything about either of these sites.

[questionseverything]

9. The polls said Biden would win by even more than he did

The move away from what the polls say nearly always benefits republicans...the red shift

[keithbvadu2]

10. I do NOT trust voting machines.

I do NOT trust voting machines.

Too easily hacked.

Proprietary software.

Cellphone modems in some of them

No printer for hard copy backup
......... Too expensive? BS on that!

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PAPER ballots all the way!

[womanofthehills]

12. it's Giuliani lying about about Dominion

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/11/16/giulianis-fantasy-parade-false-voter-fraud-claims/

“It’s way beyond what people think, including a very, very dangerous foreign company that did the votes in 27 states, a company that’s not American, a company that’s foreign, a company that has close, close ties with Venezuela and, therefore, China and uses a Venezuelan company software that’s been used to steal elections in other countries.”

— Giuliani, on Fox News’s “Sunday Morning Futures,” Nov. 15

Giuliani is referring to Dominion Voting Systems, which makes software that local governments use to help run their elections. Dominion is a Canadian company that effectively has its headquarters in Denver.

The company says it is nonpartisan. “Dominion has no company ownership relationships with any member of the Pelosi family, the Feinstein family, or the Clinton Global Initiative, Smartmatic, Scytl, or any ties to Venezuela,” the company says on a Web page debunking election rumors. “Dominion works with all political parties; our customer base and our government outreach practices reflect this nonpartisan approach.”

The company operates in 28 states, including Florida and Ohio, two states that Trump easily won. But the contracts are often with individual counties. For instance, Dominion software was used in only two of the five counties that had problems in Michigan and Georgia — and the problems in Michigan were due to human error, according to a detailed account posted by the Michigan secretary of state’s office.

[secondwind]

13. Nobody talks about Ivanka having been allowed to import

electronic voting machines from China.

[radius777]

14. Here's a good Snopes debunker on this:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/rumor-alert-dominion-voting-systems-fraud-claims/
Michigan Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson disputed claims of deliberate election fraud in a statement:
In response to the false claims made by Republican National Committee chairwoman Ronna McDaniel, the Michigan Department of State issues the following statements of fact:
Michigan’s elections were conducted fairly, effectively and transparently and are an accurate reflection of the will of Michigan voters.
The erroneous reporting of unofficial results from Antrim county was a result of accidental error on the part of the Antrim County Clerk. The equipment and software did not malfunction and all ballots were properly tabulated. However, the clerk accidentally did not update the software used to collect voting machine data and report unofficial results.
Like many counties in Michigan, Antrim County uses the Dominion Voting Systems election management system and voting machines (ballot tabulators.) The county receives programming support from Election Source. Tabulators are programmed to scan hand marked, paper ballots. When machines are finished scanning the ballots, the paper ballots are retained and a totals tape showing the number of votes for each candidate in each race is printed from the machine.
In order to report unofficial results, county clerks use election management system software to combine the electronic totals from tabulators and submit a report of unofficial results. Because the clerk did not update software, even though the tabulators counted all the ballots correctly, those accurate results were not combined properly when the clerk reported unofficial results.
The correct results always were and continue to be reflected on the tabulator totals tape and on the ballots themselves. Even if the error in the reported unofficial results had not been quickly noticed, it would have been identified during the county canvass. Boards of County Canvassers, which are composed of 2 Democrats and 2 Republicans, review the printed totals tape from each tabulator during the canvass to verify the reported vote totals are correct.
The software did not cause a misallocation of votes; it was a result of user human error. Even when human error occurs, it is caught during county canvasses.
It is also completely false that the county had to or will have to hand count all their ballots. The ballots were properly counted by the tabulators. The county had to review the printed tabulator results from each precinct, not each individual ballot.
As with other unofficial results reporting errors, this was an honest mistake and did not affect any actual vote totals. Election clerks work extremely hard and do their work with integrity. They are human beings, and sometimes make mistakes. However, there are many checks and balances that ensure mistakes can be caught and corrected.

In general I don't trust electronic voting systems, but in the cases that the RW conspiracy mill is going on about, all have paper trails and all of the audits/checks checkout, only with minor clerical errors that are typical of any election.

[DFW]

16. There were two firms making the old machines: Diebold and ESS

The CEO of Diebold in 2004 said he would deliver Ohio for Bush, which he pretty much did, backed by Ohio SoS Kenneth Blackwell, who was (coincidentally) the Bush campaign chairman in Ohio. They even got a court order confirming the machines' status as "private property" that could not be forensically examined after the election without permission, which was never granted, of course.

These are the machines about which my brother, who does projects for DARPA, said "give me a laptop and a cell phone, and I'll make any of them give you any result you want." They were so vulnerable to manipulation, there was a good reason their manufacturers didn't want a paper trail.

After the 2004 election in which Ohio give the election to Bush, even when all polls and exit polls said Kerry won the State, all of ONE of the voting machines was forensically examined. It was in some out-of-the-way rural precinct with 600 registered voters. Of those 600 possible votes, the machine gave 3000 of them to Bush. The Bush gang "graciously" subtracted 2400 votes from Bush's margin of "victory," said it was just a glitch, but never let ANY of the other machines be examined.

[RandiFan1290]

17. How do you ignore the racism? nt

[Chainfire]

18. Trump's next lawsuit will be blaming the ink pen

that I used to vote against him.