"Lady G" !!!!!

[marble falls]

I have 99 problems with Lindsey Graham and whether he's gay or not ain't one of them. Particularly because if he is - he hasn't come out, and because being gay doesn't make him or any crime he's involved with worse.

Please, we're DU and sexuality is just one thing they slur people over that we don't or shouldn't.

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[LakeArenal]

1. Being gay isn't a pejorative.

But it matters what Lindsey is trying to do to the LGBTQ community.

[FreeState]

4. It is to a lot of people unfortunately

from school yards to churches it is used as a pejorative.

[TheBlackAdder]

20. My two gay daughters and fluid son have no problem calling him that.

[Politicub]

38. Thank you for reporting the results of your focus group of three people.

It still doesn’t make it right.

[TheBlackAdder]

42. No problem. Perhaps it's a generational thing, but my kids are in their late teens and early 20s.

.

While I don't use stuff like that, the younger crowd is hard on Graham's anti-LGBTQ stance and calls out his hypocrisy.

At this point, they are at the Zero Fucks stage. TikTok has thousands of savage content providers.

.

[obamanut2012]

61. No, Zoomers and Mils do NOT use LGBT slurs if they are LGBT

[TheBlackAdder]

62. Yeah, well. I call that BS because it's being done and a lot.

[obamanut2012]

76. No, LGBT Zooms and Mils do not use LGBT slurs

Good lord.

I am around them constantly. No, they don't.

[TheBlackAdder]

81. I'm around them too and I'm quite plugged in to what's going on.

.

Perhaps they don't feel comfortable around you to fully open up. Else, I can't explain the different observations we have.

There are different dialogs that occur between those inside and those outside.

.

[BannonsLiver]

100. You've obviously never been on Jackson Mahomes' TikTok page

[NurseJackie]

40. Same here. That's where I first heard it used...

... when my son and his husband used it. They mocked him viciously with their exaggerated Plantation Belle accents... it was hysterical. They don't care that he's gay. It's his hypocrisy and so much more, and unfortunately something like that isn't accurately reflected in a very simplistic narrowly focused clickbait binary poll.

[Ms. Toad]

68. You are close enough to your son and his husband

to be included in family camp. That is similar to a white person who is related to a black person being included in a conversation in which the N-word is liberally thrown around.

That doe NOT make it acceptable for you (not a member of the LGBT community) to use it or condone its use as an insult outside of the circle of which you are an honorary member.

[Ms. Toad]

75. As an lesbian, on this issue, I have that right. n/t

[obamanut2012]

78. You do

[NurseJackie]

82. No such right exists. You merely feel entitled to lecture me.

The same way that I feel entitled to disregard your lecturing. I'm not your enemy, but I can tell you that it's presumptuous to start making insulting declarations about which "camp" I belong to... or try an pigeonhole me as being an "honorary" member of some exclusive club. That binary way of thinking is a mistake that results in alienating allies.

[BannonsLiver]

95. What's lost on the OP (and others)

Is that it was gay men who gave him the nickname in the first place.

[marble falls]

99. And you know that how gay men did this how? Two of my black friends call each other ...

a certain word, does that give me permission to refer them as the plural of that same word here on DU?

[marble falls]

104. No, it's by not responding directly to questions and stating rumors as fact.

[BannonsLiver]

106. Lol

Ok.

[obamanut2012]

43. This gay woman thinks it's homophobic, transphobic, and misogynistic

[marble falls]

115. And I thinks it all right. They take control of that kind of stuff, they de-weaponize it.

[Meadowoak]

31. Exactly.

[Ms. Toad]

32. When you use it, rather than name, a person you despise, it clearly is being used as a pejoragive.

[Mister Ed]

36. Calling him gay isn't an insult. Mocking him for being gay is. n/t

[redstatebluegirl]

2. We have to be better than that here.

I dislike him in a serious way, but if his orientation is not the issue here. What I fear is Trump is blackmailing him with something regarding his sexuality which makes Trump the toad I know him to be. Lindsay's sexuality is none of our business. And the decision to come out is so damn personal. Outing someone should be a crime.

[Mister Ed]

3. I seldom respond to DU polls, but this is important.

Everybody had better quit with this mocking of Graham for his presumptive homosexuality. When I've been called to jury duty in these cases, I've dropped the hammer on the offender.

[marble falls]

10. I don't either, this is also my first poll.

[GoneOffShore]

89. You do you.

[rso]

5. Graham

Of course mocking Graham’s homosexuality is wrong, but in his particular case, it is nonetheless tempting.

[marble falls]

11. Of course its tempting. Punching him in the mouth is tempting. Acting out on those ...

... impulses are both wrong.

[rso]

16. Hraham

Except that punching him in the mouth is a crime, mocking him is not. But I understand what you’re saying.

[marble falls]

22. That's all I'm saying.

[femmedem]

6. Thank you for the poll. Seeing Lady G here has disappointed me.

I'm glad to see that so far, people responding to the poll agree. I hope this leads to the end of using this as a way of insulting Lindsey Graham.

[Takket]

7. I could be wrong about this...

But I think “lady g” was a nickname he supposedly had in the gay community??? I remember some person that was supposedly one of his male lovers was going to release all this info in his gay trists. DU went nuts with excitement over it that it was going to bring graham down but... and here is a shocker... it turns out some rando on twitter proclaiming that They had info to bring down a senator was full of shit.

But despite that the nickname stuck on here.

Just trying to provide some background info on where that came from. The lease correct me if I have the details wrong.

[Raster]

8. Graham was named Lady G by the male prostitutes he solicits...

...they tend to talk to each other.

[NurseJackie]

13. I don't know it for a fact, I just know it's true: Someone has photos.

[FreeState]

18. Yep and the LGBT community has a vernacular that

Yep and the LGBT community has a vernacular that is used within the community but is not appropriate outside of it. There are even sub-communities (in this case male sex workers) that have their own vernacular.

There is a lot of camp and self depreciation in some of the vernacular due to internalized homophobia and the realities of the LGBT community. It needs to be seen in the historical and communal reality before judging it (much like the N word).

[marble falls]

26. And that seem alright to me. It doesn't belong here, off the keyboard of we straights particularly.

[FreeState]

34. Agree 100% n/t

[Ms. Toad]

41. Correct.

In the same way that blacks sometimes use the N-word within their community - it's called reclaiming it, and use in that manner does not give the outside world permission to use it to insult someone. (Even if you happen to be close enough to someone in the LGBT commmunity to be included on the "in" language - you still don't have permission to use it outside of that community (or even within that community with folks who have not given you express or implied permission to do so).)

[marble falls]

23. You KNOW that how??? And even if true does it give me permission to be a homophobe here on DU?

[Raster]

67. I know it because one of the male prostitutes posted as such on twitter...

...and NO, it does not give ANYONE an excuse to be a homophobe.

[marble falls]

93. Twitter. Russian trolls and bots post there, too. People tweet about covid19 being a scam, too.

If his being gay doesn't matter than why bring up the male hooker?

[Sympthsical]

140. Nothing ever came of that, which was odd

He made such a big deal about it, how he had evidence and knew others. Then poof. Never heard about it again.

Wondering if it was a simple publicity thing. Twitter has the attention span of a gnat.

[Raster]

155. IMHO, l don't think it was a publicity thing...

... I think he probably was motivated by the desire to try and do something good like exposing a hypocritical Lindsey Graham, but ended up realizing that in a town that wields privacy -and exposure- like a sword, and uses secrecy as currency, he had no choice but to step back out of the spotlight. In other words, his career as a confidential sex worker would be over.

And no, absolutely nothing wrong with sex workers. They should be legalized, recognized, unionized, and organized.

[marble falls]

12. You provided the details. Where did you find them?

[BannonsLiver]

96. Yes, the nickname was given to him by gay men

[marble falls]

102. You know that how?

[BannonsLiver]

103. Because I've followed the story.

You know it’s not HOW?

[Beakybird]

9. He's devoted his political life to taking away LGBTQ rights.

I think that it's fine to remind people that there is nothing heterosexual about him.

[NurseJackie]

15. My son and his husband have all sorts of adjectives for Lindsey...

... they've had just about enough of his hypocrisy.

[BannonsLiver]

97. +1

This is why we lose when we should not. Preoccupation with things that don’t matter.

[marble falls]

134. Because it would mean he's less of a man IF he were gay? Interesting take: gays are ...

... worth less than straights. Nice. At least you implicitly admit Lady G is a slur and you have no problem with using it.

[Beakybird]

139. It's only a slur if you're a homophobe.

If this is his nickname in the male escort world, I have no problem if others use it.

[marble falls]

145. And you know that how? Its OK in the escort world, I guess - I wouldn't know. But its not OK ...

... here. DU isn't an escort service

[tenderfoot]

14. I'm no fan of Graham but that pejorative nickname is ridiculous and I hope people knock it off

eom

[aeromanKC]

17. It's not the words of others that offends me

it's the hypocritic words and actions from Graham that does.

[marble falls]

28. So if Lindsey were black, using a certain other word would acceptable.

[aeromanKC]

47. This OP is about Graham

I stand by my post.

[obamanut2012]

52. So, it's okay to call Ben Carson a racist slur as per your logic

Wow.

[marble falls]

55. I just want to be sure I'm understand: using a homophobic slur on Lindsey Graham is OK with you.

[Ms. Toad]

46. First - you can call out hypocrisy without misgendering him.

Second - unless he has disclosed he is gay - it is offensive to suggest he is a closeted homosexual. That implies that you can pick a gay person out by the stereotypes - in and of itself offensive.

[aeromanKC]

58. I am not offended

I am offended by the evil actions of Graham not silly words by others.

[Ms. Toad]

63. So - you are suggesting blacks should not be offended

by people on DU throwing around the N word?

It's the same phenomenon.

When you use a group of people as a pejorative, we all know what you think of us - and especially on DU, where the TOS tells us we can expect to be free from it, it is painful. We are attacked enough for who we are outside of DU. Being used as a battering ram in here is not acceptable.

[WePurrsevere]

19. It's a slur & not okay to use. It's also...

An insult to 'ladies' to liken that POS to them since he's as classless and clueless as his new buddy Trump and the rest of the Trumplican party.

[marble falls]

29. I cannot believe I left of the mysoginic aspects of this. Mea Culpa! I'm getting short sighted in ..

... my old age. Thank-you for wising me up.

[crickets]

77. Agreed. Thanks for pointing this out.

The homophobia and the misogyny of the slur have always bothered me. Thanks also to marble falls for the OP.

[Buckeyeblue]

21. Being gay does matter. But not in a negative sense. If he is gay it's part of who he is and...

His overall experience. Our experience informs our decision making process. Bigotry and discrimination toward anyone is not ok.

I do think his being closeted (if he is) is an issue because it opens him up to being blackmailed. He is in far too of an important position to risk that.

[marble falls]

39. Maybe, but that is pure supposition. We could suppose even deeper, you know: "Lindsey Graham ...

... had to have had people killed to keep his "secret" that everybody supposedly knows about."

[Miigwech]

44. When did he ever respect my rights?

[obamanut2012]

33. this

[Ms. Toad]

51. Agreed. N/t

[marble falls]

60. I alert it and I jury on it. It has no place here.

[RainCaster]

27. I'm against Lindsey's hypocracy. I could care less about his sexuality... if he was true to himself.

I would like to see that hypocritical jackass out of government because he is a spineless toady little weasel. That dumbfuck could actually do the LGBTQ community a lot of good if only he was true to his own sexuality. Instead, he fights against them to appease the RW religious bigots.

[Turin_C3PO]

30. I would never use a homophobic

slur on Graham or anyone else. I would never call him or anyone else “Lady G”. Bigotry is unacceptable, especially among liberals. I do have a problem with the fact that Graham, if he is gay, consistently supports homophobic legislation and a homophobic political party.

[Politicub]

35. I have started blocking people who use Lady G regularly.

If they don’t understand that they’re using a homophobic slur, I don’t care about their opinion about anything.

[obamanut2012]

45. As this thread shows, many know and don't care

I alert on every single usage.

[Politicub]

50. Maybe I should being doing that instead.

Probably better than burying my head in the sand.

[obamanut2012]

53. Most are left standing, but not all

EarlG needs to publicly say this is not allowed.

[obamanut2012]

66. Same here

[LexVegas]

70. Subscribed. nt

[mopinko]

110. juries.

le sigh.

[safeinOhio]

48. I'm always learning social skills.

If I’m told a group finds it offensive, I won’t use it. I worked with a AA woman that used the “n” word in our conversations. She told me it was ok for Black people to use it. I told her that it made me uncomfortable and she never used it again. I don’t like the use of “dick” size or the use of “bitch” either. I’m not perfect but I can learn from mistakes.
I’m glad you started the conversation.

[Harker]

49. Looks like the one vote for bigotry, or a subsequent

comment has resulted in revocation of posting privileges.

[Harker]

108. The plot twists...

I hadn't noticed the timing of matters.

[Behind the Aegis]

54. Shame that such a poll has to take place.

More of shame that some still don't seem to fucking get it. As a gay man, it just reminds me that not all those claiming to be my "friend" are.

[Politicub]

69. First, we don't know that he is gay. That's why so many people

see him being described as gay looks like a pejorative.

[Ms. Toad]

71. Precisely -

calling him gay (or misgendering him) is done to insult him or threaten disclosure of his presumed sexual orientation.

Does anyone using this term really believe Graham enjoys it? If not, those individuals are clearly using it as a pejorative to insult him.

[Politicub]

73. Your sig line is excellent.

And the point about misgendering him, too.

[marble falls]

74. Whoever alerted this:

You beat me to it.

[LeftInTX]

64. I really don't think Lindsey's election interference has anything to with his sex life/orientation

It is not a crime to be gay, so any exposure would not justify election interference.
He was just re-elected, so he would not have to worry about his "losing an election" for six years.

I really don't think anything going on with possible pictures has anything to do with what he is doing with this election interference.
Even if there were pictures, at the most, Lindsey would just be embarassed and "get over it"...seriously...he would then say, "This is none your business"

We see much worse out there and it doesn't move the the needle.
America has moved beyond this.
We had a gay Republican run for congress here in San Antonio. Not only is he gay, he owns the largest gay nightclub in town. He won the primary from a large field of candidates. I'm sure there are pictures, but no one asked or cared. He won the "family values" crowd.
America has moved on.

Look at Kyle Biedermann in Texas.
Court Documents Say Texas House Candidate Kyle Biedermann Mentally Abused his Children; Was Physically Abusive to Their Mother
A judge banned him from seeing his kids or even speaking to them on the phone
https://www.texasgopvote.com/family/court-documents-say-texas-house-candidate-kyle-biedermann-mentally-abused-his-008828
This guy just won a third term....
I think almost everyone would think this is much worse.....

[marble falls]

84. I can do someting about this, and I can do something about the GOP here in Texas. I'm not ...

... about to drop this because there's nothing I can do about criminal Reps in other counties. The best way to fix Congress is fix gerrymandering. Then we can effectively fix the dismal GOP machine candidates. And at least San Antonio is as much a Democratic stronghold in Texas as we got.

This OP is not about Lindsey Graham. It's about homophobia and misogynistic posting on DU.

[ProfessorGAC]

79. In Addition...

...it doesn't even seem to the secret Graham would be hiding and is used against him.
There are openly gay Rs.
Whatever is compromising him has nothing to do with his sexual preference.
I think there are major financial entanglements, likely felonious.
He's a crook, gay or straight, and somebody has the goods unless he stays in step.

[LeftInTX]

80. I agree, it is something else....

I don't think voters in SC care that much, this isn't the 1950's, 60's, 70's or 80's.

[Turin_C3PO]

88. Or even the 90s or early 2000s.

There’s been huge strides this past ten or fifteen years. Of course, we still have a long way to go, as evidenced by some of the posts in this thread.

[marble falls]

112. Absolutly. there's something there, its criminal and it has nothing to with gender or sexuality.

[efhmc]

83. Called someone out for using the term "pansy" about LG. A term no one under 60

probably is even familiar with.

[marble falls]

114. Still used in Ohio. One of the first words out of youngest brother's mouth if you won't ...

... allow yourself to be dragged into one of his shenanigans.

[obamanut2012]

90. So it's okay to call Ben Carson racial slurs

Noted.

Thanks for being honest!

[themaguffin]

92. Oh, a straw man as a response?

[GoneOffShore]

87. It's his nickname amongst DC sex workers. So, when is calling someone by their proper name wrong?

[GoneOffShore]

94. Absolutely. We're back to offended on behalf of others.

[Mister Ed]

105. Let's think that one through.

Would I have to be Black in order to object to someone on DU calling another person "n****r"? Since I'm not Black, would I be guilty of being "offended on behalf of others"?

[demmiblue]

124. +1

This thread has been illuminating.

[FreeState]

153. It's been going on for years

The complaints from the community of non-equal treatment have done nothing to shift the practices, policies or rules.

The unfortunate truth of it all is that many people do not see LGBT persons as 100% equal or they would not make exceptions for their behavior.

[Mister Ed]

98. So, which is it: his proper name, or his nickname amongst DC sex workers?

Can't be both.

[GoneOffShore]

123. You do you.

Bye.

[Mister Ed]

127. Why not just answer the question instead of posting a meaningless buzzphrase?

Your post #87:

It's his nickname amongst DC sex workers. So, when is calling someone by their proper name wrong?

I ask again, in sincerity: are you really claiming that his proper name is "Lady G", and not "Lindsey Graham"?

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

109. I don't use it. If gay folks wanna joke around with it, it's on them. Not for

me to say one way or another.

[Dream Girl]

111. "Lady G" is not about him being gay, it alludes to compromat e.g. his escort service customer handle

The idea is that Trump is holding this over his head. Not about him being gay.

[marble falls]

116. That may be true (I don't believe it's got too much woooo atached) but that is not how its ...

... used here.

[Dream Girl]

113. Your "poll" is poorly framed

Slurs ok/not okay. How about if people don't consider "Lady G." to be a Homophopic slur? It was a name given to him by a gay escort service. Context is everything.

[marble falls]

117. "Lady G." is a Homophopic slur ...

1. My poll did exactly what I wanted it to: raise consciousness over how hurtful and hateful it is to DUers.
2. How do you know an unnamed, unspecified, undocumented "gay escort service" did that?
3. It's not being used as a nickname to delineate him from anyone else, customer or not with a gay escort service.
4. It's been used here at DU as a homophobic slur, a violation of ToS.

[Dream Girl]

118. I disagree. No one gives a shit if he's gay.

Context is everything...shades of gray and all that. Hence, your poll is poorly framed. FYI - I write surveys for a living.

[Dream Girl]

119. Have you stopped beating your wife? Select one - Yes/no/not sure.

[marble falls]

128. That's not how my were questions asked. Where's the trick in my two simple questions: ...

Homophobic slurs are OK.
Homophobic slurs are not OK.

Where's the trick? Because it's OK or it's not OK. The only possible 3rd question would be: Homophobic slurs are OK some times. Which really is an alternate way of saying Homophobic slurs are ok: the difference between hardcore bigotry and "moderate" bigotry.

Because it's not OK on DU. Take a look at the OP and how many hides there are. There been a member banned, too. It's slur on the transgendered, on gays and women. It's against the ToS.

[Dream Girl]

130. Of course homophobia slurs are not okay...but wat if you don't consider "Lady G." To be homophobic

Slur, it’s that he has a cute code name. Nots not that he’s gay, that he is likely compromised and that’s why he does Trumps bidding. He could be a call girl service customer with the code name “sir stud muffin” or “Loverboy” and it would be the same.

[marble falls]

131. Who's supposedly created that slur? An anonymous sex worker in an unspecified gay escort ...

... service. It's not cute and it is a slur no matter how one wants to couch it.

And before you call anyone "sir stud muffin" because you heard a sex worker called him that you'd better be prepared to prove it all true before you repeat it. Otherwise it's just dirty gossip.

[Dream Girl]

133. I give up.

[Sympthsical]

143. This thread is full of LGBTers saying it's not ok

So, I don’t see why straight people want to argue it.

Seems pretty open and shut to me.

[marble falls]

121. Than why are they using a nickname from a gay escort servece? Why not, say, "the Major"? ...

I at least can prove he was a Major in the Army with a Bronze Star. How a lawyer in Iraq gets a Bronze star I do not know - but that's another argument.

Or how about dumbass, we could definitely prove that with his heavy-handed attempt at fixing Georgia's vote count.

Like I said my poll did exactly what it supposed to do. Do you get paid to do surveys based on rumors and gossip about people's alleged sexual orientation?

[BannonsLiver]

122. You actually can't prove that.

Why? Because Graham was in the Air Force, not the Army.

[marble falls]

125. OK! See how that works? Now prove he's gay, uses gay escort service and his nickname ...

... is "Lady G". Then when you, do explain how that isn't a homophobic slur, an attempt to demean his being gay when it's used here at DU.

What about calling Mayor Buttigieg "Lady B"?

[BannonsLiver]

126. You see how what works?

That he’s not in the “Army”?

[marble falls]

129. You can prove he was AF, but you can't prove he's gay, uses a gay escort service, was nicknamed ...

... Lady G by any escort service. Or how being a gay escort service client nicknamed by someone else affects his job in a good or bad way even if you could.

It's being used to demean him. That being gay would be a further negative aspect Lindsey Graham. That referring to him as "Lady G" also is intended to further demean him by suggest a feminine aspect is a negative thing. That if he's gay he's transgender as if all gays want to be women.

What if I kept referring to you as Miss Bannon's Liver? I'd get a hide. But that's not the reason I don't do that. I don't do it because demeaning women by slurring you is just plain out wrong. And a clear violation of the ToS.

[BannonsLiver]

136. Who cares?

I’m not particularly invested in Graham’s sexuality one way or another. I’m not the one who felt compelled to start a thread about it, after all.

It has made me wonder though. Do you also object to fat jokes about Trump?

There are people who are overweight through no fault of their own either because of poverty or because of a medical condition. I’m sure you will no doubt make that clear in future threads when someone mocks Trump because of his weight?

[marble falls]

144. I don't think much of those who make fun other's perceived shortcomings, particularly ...

... if it doesn't have a thing to do with what they do with their job. But at least you can prove he's fat. Is that what bothers you about him. Are you fat? I want to make sure before I make fun of you.

I have 99 problems with Trump and his build ain't one of them.

[SlogginThroughIt]

120. Isn't Lady G his reported nickname?

As a heterosexual man I don’t feel like it is my place to chastise what the lgbtq+ uses for terminology. Sort of like I don’t chastise black people for taking back the N word. If that empowers them who am I to say different? As a white man.

Now as to whether or mot they should be calling out a potentially closeted individual? That individual has tried to do harm to the LGBTQ+ community. So either he isn’t gay (or other) and he is doing them harm, or he is and still doing them harm. Who am I to chastise them.

As for me I try not to engage in that sort of thing. As a heterosexual man.

[marble falls]

132. Reported where and by whom?

[Solly Mack]

135. K&R

[BigDemVoter]

137. As a gay man, let me explain this.

For Lindsey Graham, being gay IS an insult. Thus when we, gays, call him out on it, it isn't that we are feeling negative about our own sexuality, but Lindsey sure does. . . . . Lindsey is one of the biggest homophobes out there and was never for marriage equality. Pointing out Lindsey's hypocrisy makes absolute sense to me. As I wrote above, we aren't the homophobes. If we say there is a problem calling him out on it, I find THAT homophobic by implying there is something wrong with being gay.

[BannonsLiver]

142. +1

I don’t think straight men should be in the business of telling LGBTQ community members what words they are allowed to use. If they want to police it within their own community that’s certainly their business but I wouldn’t presume to have that kind of authority myself as a straight man.

[marble falls]

154. As a straight male, this is my point: it is offensive for straight males to think it demeans ...

... someone by insinuating he/she is gay. Someone's sexuality is no one's business if they haven't put it out on the street themselves. Whatever crimes Lindsey Graham has committed have nothing to do with his sexuality. Being antigay in attitude is one thing. Using slurs to demean someone is something else. His being gay or not has nothing to do with his crimes.

Don't you think there is a problem with implying his being gay makes his crimes worse somehow, isn't that homophobic?

You've told me you're gay, is it alright (I know it's not) for me to refer to you as Lady BigDem Voter if you object? Is it better or worse if I did that if I didn't know you were gay?

And we won't talk about the insensitivity toward the transgendered who get hit with the wrong gender pronouns intentionally, or the added implication on demeaning women by implying it is an insult to refer to men as 'lady'.

Put simply: our mothers taught us not to name call. This Lady G crap is name-calling and hateful on top of it.

[Sympthsical]

138. In this thread - straight people who reallllly want to use gayness as a pejorative.

As a gay Millennial, I’m telling you it’s not ok, no matter who you know that does it. What we LGBT people say amongst ourselves is not tacit permission for straight people to have a go.

My black friends use a certain word amongst themselves and around me.

Guess what word I, as a white person, never say no matter how much they do it?

This should not be impossible to understand.

I’d also like to note, it’s the more conservative voices who are desperately fighting to use gayness as pejorative. Shocked pikachu face.

[Beakybird]

141. This is a strawman poll.

Lady G is presumably Graham's nomme de guerre. It's not fair to accuse DU members en mass of homophobia.

[marble falls]

148. Strawman poll ...

"A straw poll or straw vote is an ad hoc or unofficial vote. It is used to show the popular opinion on a certain matter, and can be used to help politicians know the majority opinion and help them decide what to say in order to gain votes. Straw polls provide dialogue among movements within large groups."

If this is what you mean, yes it is.

"Presumably". When has Lindsey Graham EVER said he had a "nom-de-guerre"?

In that 99% of those polled agree with me, how am I "accusing DUers en masse"?

BTW - this one of the most responded to polls I've seen here in years.

Don't get me wrong. I think he needs to be jailed for what he tried to with the vote in Georgia, Arizona, and other states.

But we try to maintain civility following the ToS and it works.

[Beakybird]

149. I never call him Lady G, but I don't take offense when others do.

[MissMillie]

146. I had no idea what this title meant, no frame of reference at all

I was even asked to sit on a DU jury the other day and had to recuse myself because I was clueless about this one.

[marble falls]

150. No worries.

[MerryBlooms]

147. At least some of the prison rape stuff gets hidden now...

Attributing feminine qualities to men people don't like, almost always stands around here. I'm a straight white female, and I will not use language that doesn't belong to me. Lots of people complain about political correctness, especially when they're the ones dishing out the insults.

Graham is a sniveling lowlife coward who has zero morals and doesn't give one damn about us or our country. He's now trying to strongarm Sec of States into illegal acts. I want him prosecuted in both public opinion and the courts, but no need to attribute feminine traits to him as an insult. Nothing wrong with being feminine, no matter how you identify.

[marble falls]

151. Another thing I just don't understand from some DUers. Rape. Extrajudicial punishment. ...

Inmates as our representatives in the application of extrajudicial punishment.

I just don't get it.

[MerryBlooms]

152. I hear ya.

[Raine]

156. I get really sick and tired of these slurs against him

DUers should be better then that.

[Roisin Ni Fiachra]

157. Of course it's a homophobic/transphobic slur.

It's also misogynistic.

Graham is a racist POS, but using homophobic/transphobic/misogynistic slurs in reference to him is bigotry and is totally not cool.