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octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 08:31 PM Nov 2020

Dave Wasserman called it for Malinowski (D-NJ) We won another seat in the House


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I've seen enough: #NJ07 Rep. Tom Malinowski (D) *gained* ground in today's Somerset/Morris county updates, and his lead is back above 5,000 votes.

Tom Kean (R) lacks a realistic path back, and House Dems breathe a huge sigh of relief.

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Dave Wasserman called it for Malinowski (D-NJ) We won another seat in the House (Original Post) octoberlib Nov 2020 OP
That's ONE seat, and I am relieved. Laelth Nov 2020 #1
It wasn't as bad as folks want us to think. AleksS Nov 2020 #3
I was expecting +15 Democratic seats. Laelth Nov 2020 #8
One way to look at it is that House Democrats actually overperformed relative to 2012 tritsofme Nov 2020 #21
repubs against trump voted for joe at the top but not for dems down ballot nt msongs Nov 2020 #25
Having over-expected doesn't make it a loss. AleksS Nov 2020 #27
+1 flying rabbit Nov 2020 #28
Several of the congressional seats we lost were freshman in CA in deeply red areas. They really Thekaspervote Nov 2020 #4
I don't get it either. octoberlib Nov 2020 #5
Me neither. There are either many repubs who voted only for Biden panader0 Nov 2020 #10
Dems flipped a historic number of seats in 2018 in a Blue wave election in a GOP gerrymandered map aeromanKC Nov 2020 #11
I hear you. Laelth Nov 2020 #13
I hear you back aeromanKC Nov 2020 #24
AOC ran on defunding the police caber09 Nov 2020 #26
QAnon lady out of GA is their poster-child now. Laelth Nov 2020 #29
Every Seat Counts! I'm Congratulating Cha Nov 2020 #15
I'm relieved. He's my representative. nt Kahuna Nov 2020 #2
He's considered a superstar in the House. octoberlib Nov 2020 #6
Thank You! I read his resume! Rt! Cha Nov 2020 #17
Congrats, Kahuna! I read about him Cha Nov 2020 #9
Thanks. His opponent, Tom Kean, Jr. was the son of a popular former governor. nt Kahuna Nov 2020 #12
Yes.. I remember that, too.. so how Cha Nov 2020 #14
I don't know how long..I've only lived here for less than 2 years... Kahuna Nov 2020 #16
Ah.. lucky you! i just saw this.. Super Star"' Cha Nov 2020 #19
Rt! Congratulations to Rep. Tom Malinowski! Cha Nov 2020 #7
Uh oh, Trump's Yeoman won't like this one. Kingofalldems Nov 2020 #18
Who is that? Cha Nov 2020 #22
Did we end up flipping any house seats in our favor? Sucha NastyWoman Nov 2020 #20
NC 2 NC 6 GA 7 aeromanKC Nov 2020 #23

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
1. That's ONE seat, and I am relieved.
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 08:35 PM
Nov 2020

We really got our butts kicked downballot this year, and I am quite disturbed about it.

Why? How can we win over 5 million votes at the top of the ticket and then lose, badly and almost universally, downballot?

I don’t get it.

-Laelth

AleksS

(1,665 posts)
3. It wasn't as bad as folks want us to think.
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 08:41 PM
Nov 2020

Every single house seat in the USA was up for vote.

And we won more than the republicans did.

We won more.

There were 435 house elections. We won the majority of them.

But for some reason folks want us to act like we lost just because we didn’t win as big as before. You know who should act like they lost? Republicans. They ACTUALLY lost. They didn’t lose as many, or by as much, but they LOST more house races than they won.

Losing by less than before is still losing.
Winning by not as much as before is still winning.

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
8. I was expecting +15 Democratic seats.
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 08:46 PM
Nov 2020

Instead, I will wind up with -10 (or so) Democratic seats in the House.

I expected a 53-47 Democratic majority in the Senate. Instead, I might get a 50-50 split if we can miraculously pull off two Senate run-offs in GA.

Joe won the national popular vote by a strong margin. Somebody, please, explain to me why we did so poorly downballot.

-Laelth

tritsofme

(17,377 posts)
21. One way to look at it is that House Democrats actually overperformed relative to 2012
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 09:14 PM
Nov 2020

President Obama’s popular vote margin was similar to Biden’s. In 2012 Republicans easily kept their House majority, while in 2020 Democrats were able to maintain a small majority themselves.

AleksS

(1,665 posts)
27. Having over-expected doesn't make it a loss.
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 10:40 PM
Nov 2020

Last edited Wed Nov 18, 2020, 11:54 PM - Edit history (1)

We still won downballot.

We won more house seats than R’s.

We have more senate seats now than before.

We won. Winning by less than you hoped isn’t a loss. It’s still a win. Don’t let the R’s frame the narrative and act like they won downballot. Out of 435 house races, WE WON MORE THAN THEM. THEY LOST. AMERICA DOES NOT WANT THEM. Even after all their suppression, gerrymandering, all of it, they STILL LOST. There were 435 house races. We won the majority of them. Period.

A win that’s not a blowout is still a win. Don’t let anyone convince you it was a loss when it was just a win that wasn’t as big a win as some folks were expecting. A win is a win.

Edit: I keep imagining us as a football team that just won the Super Bowl in a close game that we expected to win handily, who’s then slinking off the field, heads bowed, weeping about our “loss.”

Can you imagine a team that won by even just one point slouching off the field and calling it a loss?

WE DIDN'T LOSE! Don’t let anyone convince you that a win is a loss. The republicans lost. We won more of the races than they did. To buy into the narrative that it was a loss is to validate the republican claim that they won and people really want them. But they DID NOT WIN. They just didn’t lose as badly as they expected to. They lost the majority of the house races. We won the majority of the house races. We won. They lost.

Thekaspervote

(32,765 posts)
4. Several of the congressional seats we lost were freshman in CA in deeply red areas. They really
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 08:42 PM
Nov 2020

Didn’t have much of a chance to return. So, really our loss should not have been such a surprise.

panader0

(25,816 posts)
10. Me neither. There are either many repubs who voted only for Biden
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 08:46 PM
Nov 2020

and against downballot Dems, or monkey business. Why would Dems vote for Joe and against downballot candidates?
The BS with Graham makes me suspect monkey business.
How about the vote discrepancies in Kentucky? Something smells, not sure what yet. I hope people investigate
fairly and find out what happened.

aeromanKC

(3,322 posts)
11. Dems flipped a historic number of seats in 2018 in a Blue wave election in a GOP gerrymandered map
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 08:47 PM
Nov 2020

We flipped over 30 seats in 2018 in a 2010 GOP Tea Party gerrymandered map that I seriously did not think we could flip before a new map hopefully drawn up after 2020 census and for sure not before. We overperformed in 2018. This year we held on to many of them. So that was fortunate. But yes, it does suck we did not keep more seats.

But to answer your question more directly, we got kicked in messaging. The GOP are masters at messaging and they slammed us with socialism socialism socialism, and defund the police defund the police defund the police. The people heard these messages and said, yes we will get rid of the Tangerine Turd, but will check Biden's power with divided government so we can keep our police and not slip into a socialist state. Sucks that people are so gullible to continually fall for the GOP lies, but they are.

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
13. I hear you.
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 08:55 PM
Nov 2020

I don’t like it for two reasons. No Democrat that I know is a Socialist ... seriously, NONE, and no Democrat running actually supported “defunding the police.” If you are saying that Republicans won because they were successful with their constant LYING about us, we have only one alternative, we have to LIE about them ... relentlessly, viciously, and painfully ... over and over, constantly, until it is embarrassing for anyone to even be associated with the Republican Party.

That’s what they have pushed us to, and as much as I may find this strategy ethically abhorrent, that’s about the only alternative left to us if we wish to save this republic and protect the American people.

-Laelth

aeromanKC

(3,322 posts)
24. I hear you back
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 09:32 PM
Nov 2020

I agree. But I do not think the Dems will. It sucks to be the only adults in room.

 

caber09

(666 posts)
26. AOC ran on defunding the police
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 10:06 PM
Nov 2020

So to say no one is not true, she is the poster child for what they were running against and majority of people are not for defunding the police. Again it was quite possibly the dumbest slogan in modern politics and it cost us. We went over this even many liberals in nyc and nyc area took it out in down ballot dems

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
29. QAnon lady out of GA is their poster-child now.
Thu Nov 19, 2020, 10:50 AM
Nov 2020

I suppose what the Republicans have done would be the equivalent of our campaigning on the proposition that the whole Republican party believes everything she believes, even when they say they don’t.

Perhaps we should try it?

-Laelth

Cha

(297,205 posts)
15. Every Seat Counts! I'm Congratulating
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 09:06 PM
Nov 2020

Rep Tom Malinowski instead of making this a negative.

That seat had been RED for at least 16 years Before Malinowski Won it 2 Years AGO.

Cha

(297,205 posts)
9. Congrats, Kahuna! I read about him
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 08:46 PM
Nov 2020

the first time he won.. 2 years ago & wasn't it the first time a Dem had won in 30 years or something? If I remember it right?

Cha

(297,205 posts)
14. Yes.. I remember that, too.. so how
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 09:00 PM
Nov 2020

long was your district in repub hands?

TY!

ETA.. looks like Tom won against Leonard Lance.

Cha

(297,205 posts)
19. Ah.. lucky you! i just saw this.. Super Star"'
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 09:13 PM
Nov 2020


And, I was mixed up.. it was Tom Kean Malinowski won against this time.
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Cha

(297,205 posts)
7. Rt! Congratulations to Rep. Tom Malinowski!
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 08:44 PM
Nov 2020
NJ 07!

I remember when he won last time.. it was the first time in quite awhile that Dems won the seat!

TY!!
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