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Thu Nov 19, 2020, 09:18 AM

Trump has reportedly given up hopes of overturning battleground defeats and is trying to delay a

final vote count in a desperate bid to throw Biden's victory into doubt

President Trump has reportedly abandoned hopes of disqualifying enough mail-in votes to overturn the result of the election and is instead attempting to delay final vote counts for long enough to throw Biden's victory into doubt, according to a report.

The Washington Post reported that the Trump team is now pinning its hopes on a bid to delay vote certification in key battleground states such as Pennsylvania.

Rudy Giuliani, the lawyer leading Trump's team, reportedly told two Republican officials who spoke to The Washington Post anonymously that his plan is to delay the vote counts for long enough that Trump's campaign can pressure Republican lawmakers to handpick the electors on the electoral college when it meets to submit votes for the next president in December, and disrupt the process in Trump's favour.
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The president's latest efforts appear almost certain to fail, The Washington Post reported, because elected officials in Pennsylvania and Wisconsin two battleground states where the Trump campaign would likely focus its efforts do not select electors, and other states have not indicated they would agree to any such political pressure.

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-wants-delay-final-vote-count-throw-biden-victory-doubt-2020-11

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Reply Trump has reportedly given up hopes of overturning battleground defeats and is trying to delay a (Original post)
Roisin Ni Fiachra Nov 2020 OP
C_U_L8R Nov 2020 #1
jcgoldie Nov 2020 #6
Mariana Nov 2020 #15
C_U_L8R Nov 2020 #17
Marthe48 Nov 2020 #2
underpants Nov 2020 #3
blueinredohio Nov 2020 #4
Drunken Irishman Nov 2020 #7
blueinredohio Nov 2020 #8
Drunken Irishman Nov 2020 #9
blueinredohio Nov 2020 #10
groundloop Nov 2020 #12
blueinredohio Nov 2020 #16
Drunken Irishman Nov 2020 #19
radius777 Nov 2020 #21
lagomorph777 Nov 2020 #13
Ace Rothstein Nov 2020 #20
CaliforniaPeggy Nov 2020 #5
Andy823 Nov 2020 #11
lagomorph777 Nov 2020 #14
rusty fender Nov 2020 #18
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2020 #22

Response to Roisin Ni Fiachra (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2020, 09:38 AM

1. And what does Trump gain?

He just looks like the world's whiniest bad loser. Not to mention, foolish and corrupt. It's the epitaph he's writing for himself. What an ugly ignoble way to go down. A failure all the way to the end.

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Response to C_U_L8R (Reply #1)

Thu Nov 19, 2020, 10:06 AM

6. Grift

They are still taking campaign donations...

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Response to C_U_L8R (Reply #1)

Thu Nov 19, 2020, 11:42 AM

15. He's still raking in donations. nt.

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Response to Mariana (Reply #15)

Thu Nov 19, 2020, 11:45 AM

17. Silly me, thinking Trump cared about his reputation.

Yes indeed. He's doing it for the dollars. And he desperately wants to stay out of jail.
He's down to his last few moves. Can't wait to hear the prison door slam shut on this awful chapter.

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Response to Roisin Ni Fiachra (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2020, 09:41 AM

2. We need a fine on the apparent loser

If anyone is looking to block loopholes for the future, there ought to be a $5000.00 a day fine for every day an apparent loser doesn't concede. Refundable if the results change.

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Response to Roisin Ni Fiachra (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2020, 09:52 AM

3. He's already done that with the cult.

Give it up and get out of the way.

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Response to Roisin Ni Fiachra (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2020, 10:03 AM

4. What makes me nervous are faithless electors.

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Response to blueinredohio (Reply #4)

Thu Nov 19, 2020, 10:06 AM

7. Why? It would take 21+ to throw the election.

 

That's not going to happen.

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Response to Drunken Irishman (Reply #7)

Thu Nov 19, 2020, 10:12 AM

8. I don't know, since Trump was elected I trust no one and nothing.

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Response to blueinredohio (Reply #8)

Thu Nov 19, 2020, 10:21 AM

9. I would worry only if Biden had barely cleared 270.

 

I actually lied - it would take 37+ electors to change. That's a massive amount.

If Biden had won 270 exactly, or even 271-280, I'd be a bit concerned. But no, I'm not concerned at that scenario.

The only scenario that concerns me, and even that is very unlikely, a few states refuse to certify, select their own electors for Trump, this goes to the Supreme Court, who rules it's perfectly constitutional for the legislature to do this, as they seem to default to what state legislative body says, and then it goes to the House.

But I don't think that will happen at all.

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Response to Drunken Irishman (Reply #9)

Thu Nov 19, 2020, 11:30 AM

10. Thanks for all the knowledge, that was something I didn't know.

But if in the end it ends up in the house I won't worry so much.

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Response to blueinredohio (Reply #10)

Thu Nov 19, 2020, 11:38 AM

12. If for some reason it went to the House we'd lose

The House vote to break a Presidential election tie would be by state delegations, not individual members, and Democrats would lose that contest.

HOWEVER, it's not going to come to that.

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Response to groundloop (Reply #12)

Thu Nov 19, 2020, 11:44 AM

16. You're talking state house? Not house of representatives.

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Response to blueinredohio (Reply #16)

Thu Nov 19, 2020, 11:55 AM

19. If it goes to the House, unfortunately, it's likely a win for Trump.

 

They don't allow every member to cast a vote separately, as that would likely assure Biden a victory. Instead, they go by state delegation. Every state has just one vote. But it's the majority delegation for that state, as opposed to all congresspeople from that state.

So, take Pennsylvania. Their entire delegation is majority Republican. The assumption would be they'd vote Trump.

But again, that's not going to happen because states will certify the results.

Though if it did, I wonder what Nancy could do as she would oversee the vote.

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Response to Drunken Irishman (Reply #9)

Thu Nov 19, 2020, 12:34 PM

21. States can't arbitrarily refuse to certify results,

as courts will step in at that point.

AFAIK all of the states in question have already passed laws stating that the electors are to be chosen by the party of the candidate who wins the state's popular vote. IOW, legislatures have already decided that the will of the people will determine the electors. The legislatures can only choose directly if the election should 'fail' and be unable to be certified, which again can only occur if there are serious problems (beyond the typical minor election issues), which a court would have to rule on.

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Response to blueinredohio (Reply #4)

Thu Nov 19, 2020, 11:39 AM

13. You mean Democrats hand-picked to be loyal, flipping their votes?

That's going FAAAAAAAAR out on a limb.

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Response to blueinredohio (Reply #4)

Thu Nov 19, 2020, 11:57 AM

20. That's the last thing you should be worried about.

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Response to Roisin Ni Fiachra (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2020, 10:04 AM

5. Greatest Page for this very timely and important post! n/t

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Response to Roisin Ni Fiachra (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2020, 11:37 AM

11. I also think

trump is trying to get rid of any evidence of his corruption, and any paper trail that might lead to crimes his administration has committed. Of course trump is doing everything he can to leave Biden with a huge mess to mean up.

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Response to Andy823 (Reply #11)

Thu Nov 19, 2020, 11:40 AM

14. Shredders are overheating all over DC.

But guess what, Donnie? Hard drives are everywhere - you have no idea how far your evidence trail spreads out.

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Response to Andy823 (Reply #11)

Thu Nov 19, 2020, 11:46 AM

18. Repukes always leave

us with huge messes to clean up, with Trumpass, multiply that by a thousand

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Response to Roisin Ni Fiachra (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2020, 08:07 PM

22. Except the only place he's creating doubt is among his sycophants

The rest of us want him gone. Fuck their feelings.

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