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Roisin Ni Fiachra

(2,574 posts)
Thu Nov 19, 2020, 10:18 AM Nov 2020

Trump has reportedly given up hopes of overturning battleground defeats and is trying to delay a

final vote count in a desperate bid to throw Biden's victory into doubt

President Trump has reportedly abandoned hopes of disqualifying enough mail-in votes to overturn the result of the election and is instead attempting to delay final vote counts for long enough to throw Biden's victory into doubt, according to a report.

The Washington Post reported that the Trump team is now pinning its hopes on a bid to delay vote certification in key battleground states such as Pennsylvania.

Rudy Giuliani, the lawyer leading Trump's team, reportedly told two Republican officials — who spoke to The Washington Post anonymously — that his plan is to delay the vote counts for long enough that Trump's campaign can pressure Republican lawmakers to handpick the electors on the electoral college when it meets to submit votes for the next president in December, and disrupt the process in Trump's favour.
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The president's latest efforts appear almost certain to fail, The Washington Post reported, because elected officials in Pennsylvania and Wisconsin — two battleground states where the Trump campaign would likely focus its efforts — do not select electors, and other states have not indicated they would agree to any such political pressure.

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-wants-delay-final-vote-count-throw-biden-victory-doubt-2020-11
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Trump has reportedly given up hopes of overturning battleground defeats and is trying to delay a (Original Post) Roisin Ni Fiachra Nov 2020 OP
And what does Trump gain? C_U_L8R Nov 2020 #1
Grift jcgoldie Nov 2020 #6
He's still raking in donations. nt. Mariana Nov 2020 #15
Silly me, thinking Trump cared about his reputation. C_U_L8R Nov 2020 #17
We need a fine on the apparent loser Marthe48 Nov 2020 #2
He's already done that with the cult. underpants Nov 2020 #3
What makes me nervous are faithless electors. blueinredohio Nov 2020 #4
Why? It would take 21+ to throw the election. Drunken Irishman Nov 2020 #7
I don't know, since Trump was elected I trust no one and nothing. blueinredohio Nov 2020 #8
I would worry only if Biden had barely cleared 270. Drunken Irishman Nov 2020 #9
Thanks for all the knowledge, that was something I didn't know. blueinredohio Nov 2020 #10
If for some reason it went to the House we'd lose groundloop Nov 2020 #12
You're talking state house? Not house of representatives. blueinredohio Nov 2020 #16
If it goes to the House, unfortunately, it's likely a win for Trump. Drunken Irishman Nov 2020 #19
States can't arbitrarily refuse to certify results, radius777 Nov 2020 #21
You mean Democrats hand-picked to be loyal, flipping their votes? lagomorph777 Nov 2020 #13
That's the last thing you should be worried about. Ace Rothstein Nov 2020 #20
Greatest Page for this very timely and important post! n/t CaliforniaPeggy Nov 2020 #5
I also think Andy823 Nov 2020 #11
Shredders are overheating all over DC. lagomorph777 Nov 2020 #14
Repukes always leave rusty fender Nov 2020 #18
Except the only place he's creating doubt is among his sycophants Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2020 #22

C_U_L8R

(44,998 posts)
1. And what does Trump gain?
Thu Nov 19, 2020, 10:38 AM
Nov 2020

He just looks like the world's whiniest bad loser. Not to mention, foolish and corrupt. It's the epitaph he's writing for himself. What an ugly ignoble way to go down. A failure all the way to the end.

C_U_L8R

(44,998 posts)
17. Silly me, thinking Trump cared about his reputation.
Thu Nov 19, 2020, 12:45 PM
Nov 2020

Yes indeed. He's doing it for the dollars. And he desperately wants to stay out of jail.
He's down to his last few moves. Can't wait to hear the prison door slam shut on this awful chapter.

Marthe48

(16,935 posts)
2. We need a fine on the apparent loser
Thu Nov 19, 2020, 10:41 AM
Nov 2020

If anyone is looking to block loopholes for the future, there ought to be a $5000.00 a day fine for every day an apparent loser doesn't concede. Refundable if the results change.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
9. I would worry only if Biden had barely cleared 270.
Thu Nov 19, 2020, 11:21 AM
Nov 2020

I actually lied - it would take 37+ electors to change. That's a massive amount.

If Biden had won 270 exactly, or even 271-280, I'd be a bit concerned. But no, I'm not concerned at that scenario.

The only scenario that concerns me, and even that is very unlikely, a few states refuse to certify, select their own electors for Trump, this goes to the Supreme Court, who rules it's perfectly constitutional for the legislature to do this, as they seem to default to what state legislative body says, and then it goes to the House.

But I don't think that will happen at all.

blueinredohio

(6,797 posts)
10. Thanks for all the knowledge, that was something I didn't know.
Thu Nov 19, 2020, 12:30 PM
Nov 2020

But if in the end it ends up in the house I won't worry so much.

groundloop

(11,518 posts)
12. If for some reason it went to the House we'd lose
Thu Nov 19, 2020, 12:38 PM
Nov 2020

The House vote to break a Presidential election tie would be by state delegations, not individual members, and Democrats would lose that contest.

HOWEVER, it's not going to come to that.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
19. If it goes to the House, unfortunately, it's likely a win for Trump.
Thu Nov 19, 2020, 12:55 PM
Nov 2020

They don't allow every member to cast a vote separately, as that would likely assure Biden a victory. Instead, they go by state delegation. Every state has just one vote. But it's the majority delegation for that state, as opposed to all congresspeople from that state.

So, take Pennsylvania. Their entire delegation is majority Republican. The assumption would be they'd vote Trump.

But again, that's not going to happen because states will certify the results.

Though if it did, I wonder what Nancy could do as she would oversee the vote.

radius777

(3,635 posts)
21. States can't arbitrarily refuse to certify results,
Thu Nov 19, 2020, 01:34 PM
Nov 2020

as courts will step in at that point.

AFAIK all of the states in question have already passed laws stating that the electors are to be chosen by the party of the candidate who wins the state's popular vote. IOW, legislatures have already decided that the will of the people will determine the electors. The legislatures can only choose directly if the election should 'fail' and be unable to be certified, which again can only occur if there are serious problems (beyond the typical minor election issues), which a court would have to rule on.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
13. You mean Democrats hand-picked to be loyal, flipping their votes?
Thu Nov 19, 2020, 12:39 PM
Nov 2020

That's going FAAAAAAAAR out on a limb.

Andy823

(11,495 posts)
11. I also think
Thu Nov 19, 2020, 12:37 PM
Nov 2020

trump is trying to get rid of any evidence of his corruption, and any paper trail that might lead to crimes his administration has committed. Of course trump is doing everything he can to leave Biden with a huge mess to mean up.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
14. Shredders are overheating all over DC.
Thu Nov 19, 2020, 12:40 PM
Nov 2020

But guess what, Donnie? Hard drives are everywhere - you have no idea how far your evidence trail spreads out.

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,922 posts)
22. Except the only place he's creating doubt is among his sycophants
Thu Nov 19, 2020, 09:07 PM
Nov 2020

The rest of us want him gone. Fuck their feelings.

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