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Snake Plissken

(4,103 posts)
Sat Nov 21, 2020, 06:04 AM Nov 2020

Trump's historically disastrous failed Presidency hit another milestone in his legacy of EPIC FAIL

100 times as many Americans have died from COVID-19 than died on 9/11.

Donald J. Trump on February 26, 2020 ---And again, when you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that’s a pretty good job we’ve done.

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Trump's historically disastrous failed Presidency hit another milestone in his legacy of EPIC FAIL (Original Post) Snake Plissken Nov 2020 OP
We had 201,000 new cases yesterday. secondwind Nov 2020 #1
While his fat ass samplegirl Nov 2020 #11
Craig Spencer MD Summed it Up.... OhioChick Nov 2020 #2
Some great stuff in that scroll. The gathering in Lahore! My goodness. panader0 Nov 2020 #7
Oof. That's powerful imagery. nt crickets Nov 2020 #30
Criminal negligence. Solly Mack Nov 2020 #3
I couldn't agree more samplegirl Nov 2020 #5
Hey you! Hope you're feeling a little better. I know it takes time. Solly Mack Nov 2020 #6
I'm trying with everything I've samplegirl Nov 2020 #13
After all that, his Deplorables voted for 4 more yrs of death and financial ruin. SammyWinstonJack Nov 2020 #16
So much winning..... Sherman A1 Nov 2020 #4
He is an unrepentant criminal gademocrat7 Nov 2020 #8
If current trends continue there will be a 9/11's worth of deaths daily. This also has Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2020 #9
The Data Suggest Otherwise ProfessorGAC Nov 2020 #22
Yes, but data SAYS deaths are rising NOW. That's the TREND now Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2020 #26
We Shall See ProfessorGAC Nov 2020 #27
Sure, but therapeutic knowledge won't change much in only 3-4 weeks. We both hope I'm wrong. nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2020 #28
It Already Has ProfessorGAC Nov 2020 #29
'Close to zero' is their baseline. The quarter million is the Trump/Pence personal death count. keithbvadu2 Nov 2020 #10
500 Benghazis a day. Don't rescue him, Snake. Marcuse Nov 2020 #12
Yup. We had years of investigation and hours of Congressional testimony. AllyCat Nov 2020 #20
Who could have predicted that a reality TV star couldn't run a country? rainin Nov 2020 #14
He is even failing at failing spooky3 Nov 2020 #15
Every marble is an American who died from COVID-19. Each second is 6 days. Danascot Nov 2020 #17
You talking bout me, Willis? marble falls Nov 2020 #19
Asshole sure has a way with words. If I didn't know he was an asshole I'd have trouble ... marble falls Nov 2020 #18
The rightist have a several claims about the virus as it relates to Trump Chainfire Nov 2020 #21
Sadly I Agree ProfessorGAC Nov 2020 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author Blue Owl Nov 2020 #24
The Klansman is exponentially imploding Blue Owl Nov 2020 #25

Solly Mack

(90,758 posts)
3. Criminal negligence.
Sat Nov 21, 2020, 06:34 AM
Nov 2020

His inaction, his mismanagement and misappropriation of resources, his token efforts that were self-aggrandizing showmanship over substance, his outright lies, and his intentional determination to undermine the actual science all lead to greater spread and more deaths.

Trump is a horrible human being who deserves to spend the rest of his miserable life in prison and forever looked upon with scorn and disdain.

samplegirl

(11,462 posts)
13. I'm trying with everything I've
Sat Nov 21, 2020, 08:27 AM
Nov 2020

got inside me. I’ll get by with a little help from my friends!
Expecting a new kitten in December hoping that helps me some.
Hope you guys are doing ok!

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,955 posts)
9. If current trends continue there will be a 9/11's worth of deaths daily. This also has
Sat Nov 21, 2020, 07:44 AM
Nov 2020

This also has the effect of putting 9/11 in a truer perspective on a scale of calamities.

ProfessorGAC

(64,852 posts)
22. The Data Suggest Otherwise
Sat Nov 21, 2020, 09:44 AM
Nov 2020

We're far into record case numbers, but daily deaths were higher in April & early May.
The % of deaths per confirmed case is dramatically lower.
In April & May, for 5-6 weeks we averaged ~30,000 cases/day. But over that same timeframe (with a +5 day lag), daily deaths were ~2,000/day.
Over the past 5-6 weeks, we've gone from 60,000 to about 200,000 cases per day. But, the deaths per day is only around 1,050 using the same death lag.
There are 3 or 4 significant reasons for this depression in deaths per case.
I'm not suggesting any wonderful news, just that it's hardly a sure thing we'll be hitting 3,000 deaths per day.
Over a thousand a day is bad enough to keep reminding people how badly this was botched.

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,955 posts)
26. Yes, but data SAYS deaths are rising NOW. That's the TREND now
Sat Nov 21, 2020, 11:01 AM
Nov 2020

Last edited Sat Nov 21, 2020, 11:33 AM - Edit history (1)


What happened in April and May is not part of the current trend.

The new cases now are rising way out of control. They are doubling every 18 days. So we can expect deaths to double every 18 days too, soon (with more than 5 day lag).

We are already 2/3 of the way to breaking the April death rate record.

We are already half way to breaking 9/11 (1481 daily on 7 day trailing average). So, 18-21 days from now, three weeks, I expect there to be a daily 9/11.

It may take a week or two longer. Deaths are doubling about every 4 weeks, technically, on 7 day trailing average, but that is starting from a sort of baseline of a few months. They didn't really get started until about Nov 5, 15 days ago. In the last 3 days, the 7 day trailing average made a sharp move upwards.

It seems to me that the new case rate 7 day trailing took off around 6 weeks ago, and deaths took off about 2 weeks ago. That seems like a 4 week lag. So I think that even if the new case rate began dropping today, deaths will still increase at the current rate for 4 weeks. So I expect at least one doubling in the death rate from current levels. Hence a daily 9/11.

I'm confident, sadly, in that grim prediction because a simple extrapolation of current trends does not take into account limitations of the health system. As case loads double in hospitals, so do ICU loads leading to an extra burden of deaths as ICUs get overwhelmed. ICUs are already badly strained.

Unfortunately, I do not expect the new case rate to flatten for a few weeks at least. Red hatters aren't scared enough yet.

Further, the Thanksgiving Virus Giving may be an extra burden above the current trend.

First Bush (R) with 9/11.
Then tRump (TR) with daily 9/11.

What a Republicon legacy.

ProfessorGAC

(64,852 posts)
27. We Shall See
Sat Nov 21, 2020, 02:45 PM
Nov 2020

Obviously, I hope I'm right in seeing your number as an overestimate. Not about me being right, but it means fewer people will die.
The reasons why deaths are growing at a softer slope than cases has much to do with more therapeutic knowledge (although with no magic bullet), the prior reduction in the most vulnerable, and masking reducing viral loading.

ProfessorGAC

(64,852 posts)
29. It Already Has
Sat Nov 21, 2020, 03:10 PM
Nov 2020

It's why the death to case ratio continues to descend.
I'm not suggesting something in the next few weeks.
I'm saying it's already a contributing cause the the declining mortality rate.
If cases triple though, the ratio doesn't have a practical impact.
Too many extra dead people is already too many!

keithbvadu2

(36,655 posts)
10. 'Close to zero' is their baseline. The quarter million is the Trump/Pence personal death count.
Sat Nov 21, 2020, 07:49 AM
Nov 2020

'Close to zero' is their baseline. The quarter million is the Trump/Pence personal death count.

AllyCat

(16,140 posts)
20. Yup. We had years of investigation and hours of Congressional testimony.
Sat Nov 21, 2020, 09:15 AM
Nov 2020

But this earned him tens of millions of votes

rainin

(3,010 posts)
14. Who could have predicted that a reality TV star couldn't run a country?
Sat Nov 21, 2020, 08:34 AM
Nov 2020

No words. Half the country makes me physically ill.

spooky3

(34,405 posts)
15. He is even failing at failing
Sat Nov 21, 2020, 08:45 AM
Nov 2020

He won’t leave office without filing frivolous lawsuits and preventing the Biden administration from getting the info needed.

marble falls

(57,010 posts)
18. Asshole sure has a way with words. If I didn't know he was an asshole I'd have trouble ...
Sat Nov 21, 2020, 09:04 AM
Nov 2020

... really understanding that meaningless classic Trumpism. It's such pure confeve.

Chainfire

(17,467 posts)
21. The rightist have a several claims about the virus as it relates to Trump
Sat Nov 21, 2020, 09:30 AM
Nov 2020

Trump is totally responsible for keeping the numbers of cases down
Trump is not responsible for cases rising
The number of sick and dead are grossly overinflated
It is no more than a cold
It is not the President's job to keep you safe from the virus.
Masks are a liberal political statement
The economy and the virus are independent of each other
Unemployment numbers are to be ignored, the economy is great
It is still mostly a hoax
They will not talk about Clorox or UV light(it was a joke, stupid)
Lockdowns are a socialist tactic to wreck the economy because us liberals hate freedom
Trump is directly responsible for the vaccine for the hoax virus
The issue is going to totally disappear after the election

ProfessorGAC

(64,852 posts)
23. Sadly I Agree
Sat Nov 21, 2020, 09:47 AM
Nov 2020

The worst is your second to last.
Taking credit for a vaccine against something he said, MULTIPLE TIMES, was no big deal.
The contradiction is lost on them.

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