'Do they just not care?' Miami immigrants troubled by surge of Latino support for Trump

[soothsayer]

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Lautaro Grinspan
@lautarogrinspan
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Nov 21, 2020
1/ I spoke to immigrants without legal permanent status in Miami about the way many of their neighbors, friends and relatives voted in 2020. They are more disappointed than surprised.

“It feels a bit like betrayal” https://miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/article247278394.html… via @MiamiHerald

‘Do they just not care?’ Miami immigrants troubled by surge of Latino support for Trump
miamiherald.com

Lautaro Grinspan
@lautarogrinspan
2/ “It’s definitely that thing of trying to assimilate to white America … Here in Miami, everyone aspires to be something we are not.”

[rso]

1. Miami

Cubans have been considered special status refugees, so they never had to go through the regular immigration bureaucracy. Couple that with their easy susceptibility in believing BS about socialism/communism as a result of what happened in Cuba, and you have a formula for disaster.

[Ferrets are Cool]

2. It is troubling indeed.

They seem to not understand the difference between socialism and Democratic Socialism.

The key difference between Socialism and Democratic Socialism is that Socialism emphasizes equality in the society while Democratic Socialism emphasizes equality in a democratic state.

Everyone who lives in America enjoys the benefits of democratic socialism. They just either don't understand it or they don't want to understand it.

IMO, it is one of "our" failings in that we don't preach the benefits of democratic socialism in our society and turn it into a wonderful word, not a evil one.

[DBoon]

5. and the difference between both of those and Traditional American Liberalism

Which took the best ideas of Social Democracy and adapted them to the USA's political culture

[regnaD kciN]

7. The big problem we've seen in this election...

...is that people are impervious to reason when it comes to buzz-phrases our opponents have spent decades demonizing. "Socialism" is one of those -- even if you qualify it to "Democratic Socialism," and even if polls show most people embrace all the policies of democratic socialism, people will still reflexively vote against anyone who they think might bear that label. And, as we've seen with the "defund the police" phenomenon, it doesn't even have to be a policy or slogan you've embraced -- it's enough that it may have been used by an individual or group that you might be tenuously and remotely connected to at best, it will still stick to you. At the same time, Republicans can even explicitly embrace white nationalist and anti-semitic slogans, and people will shrug and say "Well, they really don't mean it that way..." and vote for them anyway. It's a double-standard that the right has spend most of a century indoctrinating the public into making a part of their collective subconscious, and I admit I see little hope for the country until such a narrative is broken, and don't know how it can be done.

[sleroy49]

10. Should probably just call it something different.

There is no point in trying to explain it to people. Once they hear socialism it's game over.

[Ferrets are Cool]

14. You are correct, it is a double standard...once which the MSM embraces.

One which I am SICK of. I am so tired of all the things that make American great be turned into evil things. These people are so stupid that they can't even understand that "caution lights and interstates" are a part of socialism. They are so fucking stupid.

[BComplex]

8. Bingo! We have a lot of teaching to do. But also the spanish speaking radio stations got tons of $$

for advertising from the far right.

[JI7]

9. Sanders was defending Castro during the Primary

that doesn't help.

[Ferrets are Cool]

15. And this is one of the problems I don't know how to fix.

When ONE repug is a white supremacist nazi and runs for office, it doesn't affect the entire collective. Roy Moore is a perfect example of this. He lost his race, but it did not affect any other of the candidates running in Alabama.

However, if ONE Democratic politician makes a statement, even if that opinion isn't shared by ANY other Democratic politician, it is evidently espoused by the entire Democratic Party.

How does a party fix this kind of double standard?

[orwell]

3. Also...

...a significant chunk of mail in ballots (up to 25%) conveniently arrived too late to be counted.

[bronxiteforever]

4. Trump would make their children deportees

Just from yesterday this was reported

Trump considers targeting birthright citizenship with executive order in his last weeks in office, report says
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-considering-order-to-target-birthright-citizenship-in-last-weeks-2020-11

[Blue_true]

13. If he does that, many of the Latin people that voted for him will get hit.

Many have citizenship because they were born in this country. Trump would attempt to invalidate the citizenship of tens of millions of Americans’ he would particularly hit the Latins of Florida really hard.

[bronxiteforever]

19. Right. He is an evil man.

[Blue_true]

20. Being a Floridian who comes from ancestors that go back past 200

years in this country, if Trump eliminates the Cuban voters that back republicans blindly and eliminate the Latin voters that vote for republicans due to socialism, that accelerates Florida becoming a solid blue state. Right now, our problem is rightwing voting Cubans and people from Marxist Latin countries who can’t see that this country is nothing like what they left - take them out of the voting booth, democrats then dominate the state.

[msongs]

6. latinos voting trump share trump identity, views, beliefs, politics. that's why nt

[bluecollar2]

11. Latinos voting for trump vs Biden in Miami

Depends on:

Gender

Country of Origin

Financial Status

It's really not difficult to understand...

[Ferrets are Cool]

16. It IS hard to understand

HE despises people of color. Why is it so hard for them to understand that HE does not like them or do ANYTHING for their benefit?

Why is that so hard for them to understand?

[bluecollar2]

21. Because

1) they dont believe they are "...people of color... "

That particular group of latino voters believe they are not mestizos or cholos...

Usually that group are convinced that they are direct descendants of Eiropeans and therefore " superior to or better than" their countrymen who may not have the same credentials.

We used to call them coconuts....

Brown on the outside...white on the inside...

[Ferrets are Cool]

22. Wow

I never knew this.

[Blue_true]

12. When I in my second year of college, I had a White roommate who absolutely

hated Cubans. He was from South Florida, and to him, Cubans were nothing more than cockroaches. Nothing that I could say when debating him would change his mind, that became a flashpoint in our relationship.

The thing is, my two best male friends in college were a hyper Cuban guy and a gay Jewish guy. We had met as freshmen and bonded over the angst one feels when tossed into a new environment. They were big city kids, I was a small city kid who had never had a friend who was not straight, Black or White. The Jewish guy was hyper laid back and was just happy to have a straight friend. The Cuban guy was an intensely hard worker who seemed always haunted by the specter of potential failure.

I met more Cuban students once I got to engineering school, all were hard working and were bothered by not being accepted (they didn’t get invited to the “study” groups where large groups of students met to go over class notes from the most difficult classes and help each other prepare for quizzes and tests). They succeeded.

What happens in that members of groups that were once hated take on the characteristics of the people that hated them, once they become “accepted”. We have seen that with the Irish, Italians, Greeks, some Jewish people. It is a sad testament to the fact that people can lose empathy for those less fortunate once they have made it.

[AmericanCanuck]

17. Any minority or poor person voting for Trump (and republicans)

is like a chicken who votes for a fox as the coop-leader.

[ancianita]

18. Miami immigrants forget or never knew that hardcore Cubans were always Batista Cubans.

That means they were right wing corporate types who fled Cuba when Castro's socialists swept in.

They always hated left wingers and loved authoritarians. I lived in FL from the time they arrived until I left in '74. They have not changed.