I can't help noticing... (JFK murder)

[Archae]

The "Oswald didn't do it" people are getting fewer and fewer in number, and those still around are accepting more and more that the CREDIBLE evidence, (as opposed to wild rumors,) says simply that Oswald was a radical who wanted fame and fortune, but kept losing out.

[stopbush]

1. Agreed.

At some point, those who rail at people for holding the baseless beliefs of, say, the Q Anon crowd need to come to terms with the evidence-bereft CTs that have circulated around the JFK murder for all these decades.

If you continue to spout the ridiculous JFK CTs, then spare me your outrage at the Q Anon CTists. You’re both referencing the same fantasy- based bullshit.

[DonaldsRump]

2. I am certain that Oswald was involved in some way

But just think about this: if Oswald were the lone gunman, he had clear shots down Houston Street, rather than the ones Oswald apparently took through trees etc on Elm Street that were far more difficult. That alone, without anything else, makes me wonder.

"Back and to the left" also is a bit odd, although some have tried to explain that by saying JFK was wearing a brace that held him rigid.

That we are still having this discussion 57 years after the tragic death of this wonderful man and President itself speaks volumes. I really don't know what the truth is, but I find that 20th century US history seems to be replete with "lone gunmen."

I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but someone who has studied the assassination for decades.

RIP, Mr. President.

[marybourg]

3. Those that are alive now have crazier

conspiracies to promote.

[Laelth]

4. NO WAY Oswald did it ALONE.

The laws of physics say it’s not possible.

He may or may not have fired a lethal round (from an extraordinary distance), but he wasn’t the only person shooting. He told us that he was a patsy, and that makes more sense than the theory that he acted alone.

-Laelth

[Archae]

6. Oswald was also a notorious liar.

He claimed not to have shot and killed officer Tippett, yet ALL those witnesses who saw him do that were lying? Right. Sure.

If you knew me back in 1976, and I told you that not the next President, but the one after would be shot and nearly killed by a certified crazy guy with a pawn shop-purchased cheap handgun, you'd tell me that sounds crazy.

But in 1981 that's exactly what happened.

[milestogo]

12. There were zero witnesses that saw Oswald kill officer Tippett.

[Blues Heron]

7. Jack Ruby

Why did he get involved, wasn’t he up to his eyeballs in mobbed up businesses?

[DonaldsRump]

10. Jack Ruby's killing of Oswald reeks to the high heavens n/t

[roamer65]

8. No way it was Oswald alone.

Whole thing reeks of conspiracy.

Hillary was right on two things. They are deplorables and there was and still is a vast right wing conspiracy.

HILLARY WAS RIGHT.

[llashram]

9. the video-film

speaks for itself. Anyone who denies what happened is living in a self-contained bubble. Because they need to.

[First Speaker]

11. If he wanted "fame and fortune"...

...then why didn't he just confess, when he had the opportunity? He denied the crime right until the moment when *he* was murdered by yet another "lone nut"--an old Chicago Outfit torpedo. And just how much "fortune" would he, or anyone, expect after murdering a President of the United States? Was he expecting to write a memoir? I've given up arguing about this. No one's opinion is going to be changed at this point. I might add, though, that the "Oswald didn't do it people are getting fewer" is simply not true. The vast majority of professional historians who've examined the assassination reject the lone-gunman thesis. Public opinion polls show the same old majority of people rejecting it, as well. In any event, the case will never be solved. It was bungled from the very start. The Plaza wasn't sealed off, the most important witnesses were ignored or--as in the case of the prisoners in the jail across the street--not even questioned. The government announced the "solution" within hours of the deed, before most of the evidence--for instance, the films--were even looked at. The incompetence, on the part of the Dallas PD, the Secret Service, the FBI, was overwhelming. There was less real investigation of a President's murder, than there would have been for any random crime victim. I have no "theories" on the case, simply because of the lack of any real investigation. I do know that the Lone Gunman thesis is untenable, and that's all. I would, however, like the answer to one question: why did Oswald go back to his rooming house, *after* the assassination, to get his handgun? If we knew that, we just might have a clearer idea of his role in the events of that day...

[sfstaxprep]

13. 3 Events I Doubt I'll Ever Be Convinced About

I was only alive for the last 2.

Too many weird "facts" in the JFK Assassination.

I have my suspicions that the U.S. was completely unaware, and had Zero involvement in the 9/11 attacks. They might even have had involvement in the PA crash.

And the last is the 2004 Election. The results still reek of a conspiracy of some sort to manipulate the voting/tabulation machines, especially in Ohio.

But I don't see 100% confirmation, at least for my mind, happening while I'm alive.

[Laelth]

14. Yep, yep, and yep (on all three).

It’s obvious to anyone with eyes that WTC1, WTC2, and WTC4 were controlled demolitions (just btw).

Conspiracies happen all the time, and some conspiracy theories have real merit.

-Laelth

[sfstaxprep]

16. The Takeaway Is That Regardless Of Whether We Ever Know, They All Still Happened

JFK was Assassinated.

3,000 Died, WTC Towers Fell, And 4 Planes Crashed.

And Shrub won Re-Election.

Each had significant impacts on the course of this country.

Thank God we don't have to experience a 2nd Drumpf Administration!

[Turin_C3PO]

17. Sorry

but that’s kooky about 9/11. Experts have explained countless times why you’re theory isn’t true. It’s on the level of Qanon bullshit.

[sfstaxprep]

19. It All Worked Out A Little Too Well For That Gang Of Goons Though

Cheney got the Middle East Wars that he wanted.

"W" got the chance to avenge his Father in Iraq.

They jerked around with trying to fin Bin Laden for 7 Years, like O.J. kept searching for the "real killers." Left it to Barack to take care of business.

Not to mention plenty of Blacked Out Text in the final reports released to the public.

I take it all as a whole. Like I said, I don't know the level of that administration's involvement, but I still believe they were "involved" with at least some of the events surrounding 9/11 at points along the way. If you're satisfied that the truth has been told, that's fine. I'm not.

[ProfessorGAC]

23. The Air Was Full Of Dust

Where are the videos showing the shock wave?
Primacord detonates at around Mach 20.
How did the air get out of the way to not have a brisance, visible in the dust?
Those of us with hands-on knowledge of high explosives know it wasn't a controlled demolition.

[electric_blue68]

24. Interesting... went and looked up the word. Don't believe it was demolitioned.

[electric_blue68]

26. No on WTC 1,2 & 3

The way those buildings were built when certain parts of the load bearing structures were sheared, broken, twisted etc the weight was too much above those broken areas to be be supported - thus their collapsing.

And as far as people pointing out in vids of blocky things snapping off the sides of the buildings -
they were mostly likely the automated window washing machines that would slide up and down the long, narrow panes of the can't be opened windows.

I know this because I used to work on the 73rd floor in NE corner office of the South Tower (#2), and I used to see the window washing machines glide up and down from time to time. It was rather funny.

No #3 melted fuel and maybe damage from falling structures eventually caused WTC 3 to fail.

[Hotler]

15. Scene from the movie Shooter.

[StarfishSaver]

18. Obviously, you underestimated the desire of people to cling to a conspiracy

Reality is full of occurrences that are inconsistent, incongruent, and illogical. Those factors don't make those occurrences any less likely or more suspicious.

But one of the great things about conspiracy theories is that they can use every inconsistency, incongruence, and illogicalness to "prove" the existence of the conspiracy while also arguing that the lack thereof is further proof of said conspiracy.

[NightWatcher]

20. Everyone knows it was GHWB

It's a wild little rabbit hole to follow down...

[Silent3]

21. By making this post, you certainly did bring out some of our own crazies

Fortunately for Democratic politics most of the conspiracies and crazy talk and other excesses are on the sidelines, not well organized, and have very little impact on the politics and policies of elected Democrats.

In the Republican party, the craziness has gone mainstream. Making direct or veiled appeals to the barking mad mob is a political necessity, not an option.

[BainsBane]

22. You shouldn't have started

I could have told you this wouldn't end well.

[electric_blue68]

27. While I don't believe in WTC demolition theory; as far as JFK goes...

not totally convinced Oswald acted alone. And there were way more bullet holes in the Ambassador Hotel kitchen& corridor walls than always reported - not so sure about RFK's lone assassin either.

I suppose we'll never know for sure...