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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSo what SHOULD Emily Murphy do?
I'm thinking I really don't want an individual, even the head of the GSA, to decide when an election is over. Obviously the GOP lawsuits are garbage. But do I want Emily Murphy to decide whether or not they are garbage? I think I'd rather wait till 270 electoral votes are certified.
Edit: Several people have said that the language specifies "the apparent" winner. Does anyone have a link to the actual law that applies?
What say y'all?
tia
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StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)might be a nice place to start. The results of the election have been pretty clear for a good while now. It is past time for her to start the process of the access and funds being available to the Biden team.
FarPoint
(12,336 posts)JOB....she needs to step up and do it now...
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,674 posts)She doesn't have to wait for garbage lawsuits to be dismissed; there is an apparent winner and she needs to just do her fucking job.
LAS14
(13,783 posts)Walleye
(31,008 posts)Every authoritarian needs people like her. I dont know what their motivation is, power I guess
LAS14
(13,783 posts)marybourg
(12,620 posts)Laelth
(32,017 posts)-Laelth
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,406 posts)It's been 18-19 days now since the election, Biden's margins of votes in multiple states are not remotely close, Trump's lawsuits have almost completely been rejected, there is no viable legal path to victory short of wholesale invalidation or discarding of hundreds of thousands, if not millions of ballots or extralegal actions that we can't even foresee. Neither Trump nor Murphy are on anything remotely resembling "solid ground" in terms of delaying or denying the release of transition funds even with the most generous of legal or grammatical parsing of the laws and processes governing the transition of one Presidential Administration to another.
Laelth
(32,017 posts)The electoral college hasnt voted yet, so we dont actually have a President-elect at this time. Until the Electoral college actually votes, I think shes safe in withholding transition funds.
Is it obnoxious? Yes. Is it unprecedented, yes, but that is only because Trump refuses to concede, and thats not her fault. The law in question has ambiguous language, but I think she is protected from a Mandamus Order until the electoral college votes. After that time, her legal duty will be clear.
-Laelth
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,406 posts)Joe Biden IS the apparent winner. There is literally no doubt about who won other than the insane legal and conspiracy theories being pushed by Trump, which are getting rejected over and over again. Biden got the most votes and won the EC. She needs to do her job starting yesterday
LAS14
(13,783 posts)Response to LAS14 (Original post)
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exboyfil
(17,862 posts)It is not a matter of national security. Don't fall in your sword for this "man". Can I have that in writing sir.
ShazzieB
(16,370 posts)I'd give a great deal to know what she's been threatened with. This is absolutely his doing, and I'm sure threats of SOME sort are involved. Probably other kinds of psychological manipulation as well...but threats are definitely part of the picture.
Atticus
(15,124 posts)Is this meant to excuse Ms. Murphy's blatant obstruction of the transition?
Is this even a serious question?
Does one not always have the choice to defy a dictator-wannabe?
SunStar
(66 posts)The whole point of putting the decision in the hands of the GSA head is so the president isn't making the call for obvious reasons.
She should have reported it to Congress/the Inspector General/the media and signed the letter.
She'd have gotten fired, but that's happening anyway in January and the display of integrity/courage would have overshadowed her existing integrity issues, opening better doors for her future.
I don't pretend that it wouldn't be hard for her, but there's really only one legal/ethical/moral/logical choice here.
Did you really just post "I'd rather wait"?
I say,
You should maybe be certified.
Yavin4
(35,437 posts)He does not pay her salary. The people do. We pay her to do a job not be blindly loyal to Trump.
For a guy who pays almost no taxes, he sure does get a lot of benefits from the U.S. government.
Siwsan
(26,259 posts)She's in direct violation of her oath she did take, and needs to be held accountable.
tavernier
(12,377 posts)She can adore Mr. Covergirl on her own time. (although I think he buys his pancake make up at the dollar store)
RainCaster
(10,866 posts)That winner may not prevail, but waiting for final certification takes too long. The potential incoming administration needs all the time it can get to come up to speed on a myriad of complex issues.
LAS14
(13,783 posts)exboyfil
(17,862 posts)Put criteria into what makes an apparent winner. Still GSA should not be answerable to just the Executive branch (same applies to the IG).
we can do it
(12,182 posts)Get over her self.
Get the hell out of the way of the transition.
LAS14
(13,783 posts)we can do it
(12,182 posts)This is not even close in any state.
world wide wally
(21,740 posts)Walleye
(31,008 posts)NameAlreadyTaken
(977 posts)Dem2
(8,168 posts)I don't know if we've ever had a mentally ill president before who wouldn't concede even though it was obvious he lost.
lindysalsagal
(20,670 posts)Her dear leader told her it's safe, and the virus is a hoax.....
RainCaster
(10,866 posts)This is a good primer with lots of supporting links.
https://www.lawfareblog.com/presidents-daily-brief-and-presidents-elect-primer
LAS14
(13,783 posts)RainCaster
(10,866 posts)Http://dorfonlaw.org
Two very reliable legal sites for political & government issues.
Dread Pirate Roberts
(1,896 posts)Cause listing that gig with the Trump Administration isn't getting her any offers.
Arne
(2,009 posts)58Sunliner
(4,381 posts)it's the law. Why is there a straw man here deciding whether or not lawsuits are garbage. She does not have the authority.