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LAS14

(13,783 posts)
Sun Nov 22, 2020, 12:53 PM Nov 2020

So what SHOULD Emily Murphy do?

I'm thinking I really don't want an individual, even the head of the GSA, to decide when an election is over. Obviously the GOP lawsuits are garbage. But do I want Emily Murphy to decide whether or not they are garbage? I think I'd rather wait till 270 electoral votes are certified.

Edit: Several people have said that the language specifies "the apparent" winner. Does anyone have a link to the actual law that applies?

What say y'all?

tia
las

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So what SHOULD Emily Murphy do? (Original Post) LAS14 Nov 2020 OP
Her job StarfishSaver Nov 2020 #1
Her job Sherman A1 Nov 2020 #2
It definitely is her FarPoint Nov 2020 #3
She is supposed to authorize the transition when there is an *apparent* winner. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2020 #4
Please see my edit to the OP. nt LAS14 Nov 2020 #23
The law says "the apparent victor" She knows damn well who that is. Walleye Nov 2020 #5
Please see my edit to the OP. LAS14 Nov 2020 #21
Resign, if she can't stand up to tRump. marybourg Nov 2020 #6
I agree. It's not ideal, but she is on solid ground delaying at this time. n/t Laelth Nov 2020 #7
What "solid ground" are you referring to? Proud Liberal Dem Nov 2020 #36
Her boss says "don't release the transition funds." Laelth Nov 2020 #40
Knowledge of the "apparent winner" is all that is required per policy Proud Liberal Dem Nov 2020 #8
Please see my edit to the OP. nt LAS14 Nov 2020 #24
This message was self-deleted by its author Democracy2020 Nov 2020 #9
Disclose she was ordered exboyfil Nov 2020 #13
I absolutely agree she's been ordered to stall, and... ShazzieB Nov 2020 #14
"When an American has been ordered (by their President), what real choice does she have?" Atticus Nov 2020 #20
Not follow an inappropriate order SunStar Nov 2020 #34
Dear Las, Arne Nov 2020 #10
Amen. nt Atticus Nov 2020 #25
She needs to be reminded that she works for the U.S. government, not Donald Trump. Yavin4 Nov 2020 #11
She needs to wake up to the fact she didn't take an oath to trump*. Siwsan Nov 2020 #12
Her job. tavernier Nov 2020 #15
She must release the funds to the apparent winner RainCaster Nov 2020 #16
Please see my edit to the OP. NT LAS14 Nov 2020 #26
Definitely rewrite the law exboyfil Nov 2020 #17
What every other person who has held her position has done. we can do it Nov 2020 #18
She says she's using Bush v Gore as a guide. nt LAS14 Nov 2020 #32
Which is bullshit because that was 537 vote difference. we can do it Nov 2020 #33
Maybe Trump made the GSA sign a NDA world wide wally Nov 2020 #19
I'm betting she did, Kellyanne Conway said they all did Walleye Nov 2020 #30
See Emily Play NameAlreadyTaken Nov 2020 #22
Presidents usually concede Dem2 Nov 2020 #27
Drink the bleach. lindysalsagal Nov 2020 #28
Lawfareblog.com explains the process RainCaster Nov 2020 #29
Thanks much. I always appreciate this kind of info. nt LAS14 Nov 2020 #31
I keep that site in my favorites same with Dorf RainCaster Nov 2020 #35
Work on explaining the 4-year gap in her resume Dread Pirate Roberts Nov 2020 #37
What has this Emily been up to with all the money at her disposal. Arne Nov 2020 #38
Poor Emily, between a rock and a hard place. It isn't about what anyone wants- 58Sunliner Nov 2020 #39

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
2. Her job
Sun Nov 22, 2020, 12:55 PM
Nov 2020

might be a nice place to start. The results of the election have been pretty clear for a good while now. It is past time for her to start the process of the access and funds being available to the Biden team.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,674 posts)
4. She is supposed to authorize the transition when there is an *apparent* winner.
Sun Nov 22, 2020, 12:56 PM
Nov 2020

She doesn't have to wait for garbage lawsuits to be dismissed; there is an apparent winner and she needs to just do her fucking job.

Walleye

(31,008 posts)
5. The law says "the apparent victor" She knows damn well who that is.
Sun Nov 22, 2020, 12:56 PM
Nov 2020

Every authoritarian needs people like her. I don’t know what their motivation is, power I guess

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,406 posts)
36. What "solid ground" are you referring to?
Sun Nov 22, 2020, 02:07 PM
Nov 2020

It's been 18-19 days now since the election, Biden's margins of votes in multiple states are not remotely close, Trump's lawsuits have almost completely been rejected, there is no viable legal path to victory short of wholesale invalidation or discarding of hundreds of thousands, if not millions of ballots or extralegal actions that we can't even foresee. Neither Trump nor Murphy are on anything remotely resembling "solid ground" in terms of delaying or denying the release of transition funds even with the most generous of legal or grammatical parsing of the laws and processes governing the transition of one Presidential Administration to another.

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
40. Her boss says "don't release the transition funds."
Sun Nov 22, 2020, 02:49 PM
Nov 2020

The electoral college hasn’t voted yet, so we don’t actually have a President-elect at this time. Until the Electoral college actually votes, I think she’s safe in withholding transition funds.

Is it obnoxious? Yes. Is it unprecedented, yes, but that is only because Trump refuses to concede, and that’s not her fault. The law in question has “ambiguous” language, but I think she is protected from a Mandamus Order until the electoral college votes. After that time, her legal duty will be clear.

-Laelth

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,406 posts)
8. Knowledge of the "apparent winner" is all that is required per policy
Sun Nov 22, 2020, 12:57 PM
Nov 2020

Joe Biden IS the “apparent winner”. There is literally no doubt about who won other than the insane legal and conspiracy theories being pushed by Trump, which are getting rejected over and over again. Biden got the most votes and won the EC. She needs to do her job starting yesterday

Response to LAS14 (Original post)

exboyfil

(17,862 posts)
13. Disclose she was ordered
Sun Nov 22, 2020, 01:00 PM
Nov 2020

It is not a matter of national security. Don't fall in your sword for this "man". Can I have that in writing sir.

ShazzieB

(16,370 posts)
14. I absolutely agree she's been ordered to stall, and...
Sun Nov 22, 2020, 01:02 PM
Nov 2020

I'd give a great deal to know what she's been threatened with. This is absolutely his doing, and I'm sure threats of SOME sort are involved. Probably other kinds of psychological manipulation as well...but threats are definitely part of the picture.

Atticus

(15,124 posts)
20. "When an American has been ordered (by their President), what real choice does she have?"
Sun Nov 22, 2020, 01:16 PM
Nov 2020

Is this meant to excuse Ms. Murphy's blatant obstruction of the transition?

Is this even a serious question?

Does one not always have the choice to defy a dictator-wannabe?

SunStar

(66 posts)
34. Not follow an inappropriate order
Sun Nov 22, 2020, 01:56 PM
Nov 2020

The whole point of putting the decision in the hands of the GSA head is so the president isn't making the call for obvious reasons.
She should have reported it to Congress/the Inspector General/the media and signed the letter.

She'd have gotten fired, but that's happening anyway in January and the display of integrity/courage would have overshadowed her existing integrity issues, opening better doors for her future.

I don't pretend that it wouldn't be hard for her, but there's really only one legal/ethical/moral/logical choice here.

Yavin4

(35,437 posts)
11. She needs to be reminded that she works for the U.S. government, not Donald Trump.
Sun Nov 22, 2020, 12:58 PM
Nov 2020

He does not pay her salary. The people do. We pay her to do a job not be blindly loyal to Trump.

For a guy who pays almost no taxes, he sure does get a lot of benefits from the U.S. government.

Siwsan

(26,259 posts)
12. She needs to wake up to the fact she didn't take an oath to trump*.
Sun Nov 22, 2020, 12:59 PM
Nov 2020

She's in direct violation of her oath she did take, and needs to be held accountable.

tavernier

(12,377 posts)
15. Her job.
Sun Nov 22, 2020, 01:02 PM
Nov 2020

She can adore Mr. Covergirl on her own time. (although I think he buys his pancake make up at the dollar store)

RainCaster

(10,866 posts)
16. She must release the funds to the apparent winner
Sun Nov 22, 2020, 01:04 PM
Nov 2020

That winner may not prevail, but waiting for final certification takes too long. The potential incoming administration needs all the time it can get to come up to speed on a myriad of complex issues.

exboyfil

(17,862 posts)
17. Definitely rewrite the law
Sun Nov 22, 2020, 01:11 PM
Nov 2020

Put criteria into what makes an apparent winner. Still GSA should not be answerable to just the Executive branch (same applies to the IG).

we can do it

(12,182 posts)
18. What every other person who has held her position has done.
Sun Nov 22, 2020, 01:11 PM
Nov 2020

Get over her self.
Get the hell out of the way of the transition.

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
27. Presidents usually concede
Sun Nov 22, 2020, 01:18 PM
Nov 2020

I don't know if we've ever had a mentally ill president before who wouldn't concede even though it was obvious he lost.

RainCaster

(10,866 posts)
35. I keep that site in my favorites same with Dorf
Sun Nov 22, 2020, 01:59 PM
Nov 2020

Http://dorfonlaw.org
Two very reliable legal sites for political & government issues.

Dread Pirate Roberts

(1,896 posts)
37. Work on explaining the 4-year gap in her resume
Sun Nov 22, 2020, 02:19 PM
Nov 2020

Cause listing that gig with the Trump Administration isn't getting her any offers.

58Sunliner

(4,381 posts)
39. Poor Emily, between a rock and a hard place. It isn't about what anyone wants-
Sun Nov 22, 2020, 02:49 PM
Nov 2020

it's the law. Why is there a straw man here deciding whether or not lawsuits are garbage. She does not have the authority.

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