Michigan Is Not Proceeding On Certification Yet

[sfstaxprep]

There is a delay in moving forward as the repubs will not certify.

[mobeau69]

1. Watching live but not seeing that.

[Tom Rinaldo]

2. The "swing" Republican seemed to indicate that the Board was obligated to certify

That is what I heard anyway. His "objection" I think was that he didn't want a motion to certify to be introduced prior to th public being able to make their comments, out of "respect" or something.

[sfstaxprep]

3. You Really Believe That?

We'll see. But the mere fact he raised an objection is a sign to me that something is up.

Who gives a damn about the stupid comments. Joe Biden won by 150K+, certify the damn thing. I doubt this is happening in other states.

[Drunken Irishman]

6. Sounds like you're hoping they don't vote to certify. Weird.

[sfstaxprep]

11. Huh?

When did I say I'm Hoping they don't certify.

One of the 2 repubs already said they intend to vote no. That leaves 1.

I think it's very possible they don't certify. But in no way am I hoping they don't certify.

I think the Covid-19 outbreak is going to get much worse in the coming weeks. I don't hope it, but I think it's a very likely reality.

We shall see, but if you're counting on the 1 remaining repub to certify, I think you're a little too optimistic at this point.

[Drunken Irishman]

17. Your post states the GOP won't certify.

That is just not true.

In fact, listening to the one Republican, he's clearly pushing the idea they're legally required to certify. But the fact you decided to push a claim that they were not going to certify, despite no actual vote yet, is either you hoping that's what they'll do for whatever reason or you're being disingenuous to what is actually happening.

[sfstaxprep]

26. Did You Read Title Of My Post

It Says "Won't Certify Yet"

It doesn't say "Won't Certify"

As of this very moment, they have "Not Certified Yet," so I don't see how that means I hope they don't certify, or I'm pushing the idea they're not going to at all.

So I suppose if on November 3rd, I said that Joe Biden has not won yet, it meant I hoped he wouldn't, or thought he wouldn't.

[Drunken Irishman]

29. Yes it does lol

the repubs will not certify.

Is that projection or hope on your end? Just weird that your interpretation of one Republican wanting to let people speak, after clearly stating he thinks they have a constitutional duty to certify, is to state they will not certify.

I think clearly the one Republican is leaning toward certification, while the other is probably agaisnt it. Yet your post indicates differently.

Is it possible both refuse to certify? Sure. But I doubt it.

[zanana1]

48. Why don't we just wait and see instead of arguing about it.

[TeamPooka]

27. Your comment is a projection not based on any facts in evidence. chill out with attacks like that

[Drunken Irishman]

31. Hilarious to say since the OP is pure projection.

But I'm not going to chill. I'm tired of fear porn here at DU. There was nothing stated at any point during this meeting so far to indicate, as the OP claims, they won't certify.

[TeamPooka]

50. If you are watching the hearing live on Youtube right now you will see the OP has a point

as that is what the GOP members of the board are doing right now.
Delaying and setting up a case to vote no, in real time.

It is not fear porn to actively oversee the corruption happening live on the internet

Trump is doing everything he can to disrupt this process and steal the election.
That's a fact, not fear porn.

[Drunken Irishman]

53. This is false.

It's pretty clear they have the votes to certify. If you don't see that, it's because you're trying to convince yourself Trump is going to somehow do the improbable and steal this election. Well if you believe such silliness, keep it to yourself or don't misrepresent what is happening to justify your own crazy fear.

The OP is wrong and so are you. It's pretty clear by what the other Republican is saying on the committee that he'll vote to certify.

[SlogginThroughIt]

51. Why are you so confrontational?

That was uncalled for and you did it to me last night.

Stop putting words in peoples mouths

[Drunken Irishman]

52. Because I'm tired of the fear porn you people push.

Especially when it's unsubstantiated and unjustified. It's annoying as all hell to see posters push bullshit to spread fear. Especially when it's baseless. Just as you did yesterday. If you don't like this level of response, stop clutching your pearls over mundane shit.

[SlogginThroughIt]

54. "you people"?

Again why so confrontational.

There is no “fear porn” there is discussion. If you cannot handle that without getting confrontational then trash the thread, scroll on by, or take a break.

YOUR behavior is not ok.

[Drunken Irishman]

55. I just told you why I'm confrontational.

I'm tired of you people pushing your fear porn. It's that simple. When you purposely twist points to support your fear porn, I'm going to bitch. That is not okay. There's a subset of this forum who has to go out of their way to tell us Trump is going to steal this election and they remind us of this every day. It's annoying. It's not substantiated. It's not helpful. It's not discussion. It's fear porn.

Some people are miserable and can't help but make others miserable with them, hence pushing half-truths to support the narrative that the SC will install Trump.

I said it yesterday and I'll say it again today: both the far-right and far-left have convinced themselves Trump will still prevail. It's clear delusions are not isolated to just one ideology.

[arlyellowdog]

4. Thank you

[Girard442]

7. Maybe he thinks "They made me do it"...

...will keep the RW crazies off his lawn.

[Mike 03]

10. Thank you for the info.

[AnnaLee]

5. I turned it off.

It seemed to be just a bunch of delay stupid to me. I'll wait for the breaking news.

[MineralMan]

8. They're taking some public comment.

It sounds to me, though, like the one Republican will vote to certify, based on what he said when asking that public comment be allowed.

[Johnny2X2X]

14. That's my take too

And kind of what was expected. It should be a 3-1 vote to certify.

[MineralMan]

23. Yes. I think that will be the outcome.

Now, they said that over 800 people asked to speak to the board. I cannot imagine that they are going to allow that many to speak, or we would be here a week from now. So, at some point, someone is going to move to end the discussion and call the question.

If I were on that board, I would do that after a couple or three public officials had spoken. I would expect that three people on the board, at least, would vote to end the discussion and call the question. Then the chair would call for a roll call voted. Three people would vote to certify and that would be the end of the meeting.

This will not be allowed to go on endlessly, taking comments from extremely biased individuals who would turn this into a shouting match. The board has a duty to vote to certify. That vote should be taken. If there a tie, perhaps further discussion should take place and the laws read to the board again, as they have already been. There should be no adjournment until the vote is to certify.

[StarfishSaver]

9. Not quite accurate

The Republicans haven't refused to certify. They're taking public comments now.

[joshcryer]

12. Norman D. Shinkle, Republican, wants to adjourn for 20 more days.

What a joke.

[ucrdem]

41. That makes 2.

That's a problem.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

13. The motion to certify is on the floor. What you see right now is discussion on the motion.

[bluecollar2]

15. Where's the stream? Nt

[Ms. Toad]

18. Here's a live stream:

https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/live-at-1-michigan-state-board-of-canvassers-meets-to-certify-election-results

[bluecollar2]

21. Thanks..n/t

[MineralMan]

25. Here's a direct link to the YouTube feed:

There is no need to go to a Fox TV feed. No need at all. YouTube has plenty of bandwidth available.

[Ms. Toad]

16. They have not voted yet.

There is a motion to certify on the floor.

They are in the discussion phase.

After the discussion on the motion - then - comes the vote.

Whether they will delay is up in the air (but unlikely) based on Langevelde's comments (the other R) so far.

[Girard442]

22. All this yadda-yadda makes me think they're going to certify.

The just want to whine about it first.

[Drunken Irishman]

28. I think it'll be certified by a count of 3-1.

[pat_k]

19. If they don't, writ of mandamus from state court will instruct them to.

As Nevilledog posts here, they don't have discretion on this.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=14602105

Writ of Mandamus is the remedy

168.878 Construction of sections; action against board of state canvassers by mandamus.

Nothing in the following sections of this chapter contained shall be construed to repeal any action or remedy which may now exist by reference of any controversy to the courts, except that any proceeding intended to restrain, enjoin, modify, control or otherwise interfere with the action of the board of state canvassers, the board of county canvassers or any other representative of the board of state canvassers operating under the provisions of the following sections of this chapter, shall be instituted only against the board of state canvassers and by no other action than mandamus.

Given the laws mandating action (Nevilledog's OP), a petition for writ of mandamus would certainly be granted.

Mandamus
Overview
A (writ of) mandamus is an order from a court to an inferior government official ordering the government official to properly fulfill their official duties or correct an abuse of discretion.

[gollygee]

20. I'm watching and I haven't seen that

I've seen the GOP member who is also a lawyer recognize that he has no choice but certify.

[helpisontheway]

24. Shit! I remember reading something about the governor having

the ability to replace the members if they will not do their job. Wonder how long all of that would take. I wish all of the Republicans that are causing issues in MI and PA would go straight to hell. 🤬

[sfstaxprep]

30. Let Me Be Clear

I am sincerely hoping for this to be over in short order. The last thing I want is a Shit Show. I just don't like pinning all my hopes on a single repub member, so I will wait for the 3rd out in the 9th inning before counting any chickens.

[LexVegas]

32. Thanks for clarifying for us. nt

[Kaleva]

34. +1

[zanana1]

47. I think they're trying to run out the clock.

For what purpose, I don't know.

[ucrdem]

33. Still sowing confusion (not the OP, the cheater in chief)

In the middle of a pandemic, economic collapse, educational shutdown and half a dozen other crises, these clowns are still playing butthurt games.

[sfstaxprep]

35. Every One Of The Speakers Is Saying, "Certify The Damn Vote Already!!"

Now they're talking about all the people who worked long hours to get to this point, and that they are minimizing their efforts by questioning this and delaying the certification one minute longer.

[Vinnie From Indy]

36. The world over...

...people like hearing their own voice.

[sfstaxprep]

37. I've Lost Count

I think they're up to about 7 speakers so far.

Not one of them has wavered in their statements that the vote must be certified, and it is mandatory.

[ucrdem]

38. Why are they wasting time saying the obvious over and over?

I am not sure that last lady wasn't a Trumper

[MoonlitKnight]

46. Agree

The speakers should state, “the law requires you to certify today” and hang up.

Or they should just say they no longer wish to comment.

[sfstaxprep]

39. "The Fact At Least 1 Of You Is Considering Voting No, Is Both Shocking And Disgusting" nt

[tavernier]

40. It is just so frustrating to watch this slow and lackadaisical process

while knowing full well that the longer this drags on, the longer it will take for the new administration to organize the preliminary pandemic vaccine administration process, and that people will literally lose their lives from the wasted minutes and seconds.

[sfstaxprep]

43. We Did Our Part

We voted the Shitstain and his Merry Band Of Misfits out.

All we can do is wait now, and Thank God the end is near.

We can't control him for the next 2 months, any more than we could for the last 46 Months.

[Vinnie From Indy]

42. The meeting should not be an oral review of the entire election.

The board should get on with the business at hand.

[sfstaxprep]

44. They're Having A Few Minute Recess/Bathroom Break

Doesn't sound like anything more than that. The Democratic board member is the one who requested it.

[sfstaxprep]

45. Laura Cox, Asking For Delay In Certification

She's Michigan repub party Chairperson I believe.

[sfstaxprep]

49. It Does Appear The Other Guy Is A Yes Vote

He does sound like he's convinced they have a legal obligation to certify at this point.