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Bettie

(16,100 posts)
Mon Nov 23, 2020, 03:39 PM Nov 2020

Greg Palast: GA trying to block new voter registration

https://www.gregpalast.com/georgia-tries-to-block-new-voters-ahead-of-runoff/



Georgia tries to block new voters ahead of runoff
Proposed new registration rule would require car registered in state.
by Greg PalastNovember 23, 2020

Georgia’s Board of Elections is trying to sneak through a new rule that could block new registrations before the Senate runoff to people who don’t have a car registered in the state.

This knocks out students and lower income urban voters (i.e. Black Atlantans) without cars. Of course, you can’t force people to buy a car in order to vote. The voters will be allowed on the rolls after a hearing, which will of course be after the January 5 election.

The GOP Secretary of State’s excuse? To prevent voter fraud. Brad Raffensperger claims people from out of state will be driving into Georgia to register to vote in the runoff.

Our team in Georgia contacted Raffensperger’s office and asked if they’ve encountered a single fraudulent out-of-state voter. So far, we’ve had no answer.

We will expose it. We will fight it.

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Greg Palast: GA trying to block new voter registration (Original Post) Bettie Nov 2020 OP
Sounds like an illegal poll tax to me. I hope someone spooky3 Nov 2020 #1
No to the FUCKIN NO Leghorn21 Nov 2020 #2
2 things: Botany Nov 2020 #3
Jeezus I can't bear these fools soothsayer Nov 2020 #4
More Palast BS. There is no such attempt. Hoyt Nov 2020 #5
Palast is a good guy. Kid Berwyn Nov 2020 #7
He means well but does sometimes get things wrong Retrograde Nov 2020 #9
Georgia State Election Board to consider emergency election rules for Jan. runoff Roisin Ni Fiachra Nov 2020 #8
Learn to read -- Hoyt Nov 2020 #11
thank you! So much to be pissed off stillcool Nov 2020 #13
I agree. I know nowadays it's easy to believe just about anything, but we need to at least act sane. Hoyt Nov 2020 #19
Clearly, my reading comprehension skills are superior to yours. Roisin Ni Fiachra Nov 2020 #15
There are already other things they can consider. You can't just look at some tertiary TV station to Hoyt Nov 2020 #17
Here's the relevant section of Ga Law that has been in place for years. Hoyt Nov 2020 #18
As reported, it seems perfectly reasonable ... Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2020 #27
So are you saying there is nothing before the BOE? Caliman73 Nov 2020 #10
Did I say that, Caliman. I said no one has to own a car to register to vote -- that is Palast BS Hoyt Nov 2020 #12
No. You said, "There is no such attempt". Caliman73 Nov 2020 #21
There is no such attempt. Palast, like some others, tend to read Hoyt Nov 2020 #23
Thank you for following up on this issue Gothmog Nov 2020 #24
For sure and they'd lose. Plus, everyone who voted for Biden, would be Hoyt Nov 2020 #25
Yeah, Palast tends to over-hype everything. progressoid Nov 2020 #26
Someone please tell me this is fake news, or... Nimble_Idea Nov 2020 #6
It looks like it is not really a thing. Caliman73 Nov 2020 #22
The GOP is now the biggest threat to democracy Blue Owl Nov 2020 #14
K&R! SheltieLover Nov 2020 #16
Brad Raffensperger trying to get points with the Magat/GOP flamingdem Nov 2020 #20

Botany

(70,501 posts)
3. 2 things:
Mon Nov 23, 2020, 03:45 PM
Nov 2020

This is a poll tax I hope the ACLU or a voters rights or civil rights group files suit.

"The GOP Secretary of State’s excuse? To prevent voter fraud. Brad Raffensperger claims people from out of state will be driving into Georgia to register to vote in the runoff."

Really? Please show just 1 case of this happening and besides you can't register to vote if you are not a legal residence
of the state.

Retrograde

(10,136 posts)
9. He means well but does sometimes get things wrong
Mon Nov 23, 2020, 04:04 PM
Nov 2020

He lost me back in 2016 when he kept claiming that California didn't count provisional votes, despite being told that they did. From some of the other comments in this thread it seems that he went off half-cocked time time.

Roisin Ni Fiachra

(2,574 posts)
8. Georgia State Election Board to consider emergency election rules for Jan. runoff
Mon Nov 23, 2020, 04:01 PM
Nov 2020

On Monday, Georgia's State Election Board will consider three emergency rules governing the processing of ballots and voter registrations that would affect the January runoff election.
snip----
The third proposed rule directs counties to “review all available evidence” to determine whether someone registering to vote is a Georgia resident. Also, local registrars may consider whether the applicant has a valid Georgia driver’s license or identification card, or a motor vehicle registered in the state and whether they have paid a required tax on the vehicle as required when moving to Georgia.

If the registrar cannot determine whether the applicant properly resides in Georgia, the rule directs them to process the application but mark it as “challenged,” and to initiate a hearing.

Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger and others have raised concerns about people temporarily moving to Georgia to just vote in the January runoff for two U.S. Senate races.

https://www.wjcl.com/article/georgia-state-election-board-to-consider-emergency-election-rules-for-jan-runoff/34752828

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
11. Learn to read --
Mon Nov 23, 2020, 04:11 PM
Nov 2020

"The third proposed rule directs counties to “review all available evidence” to determine whether someone registering to vote is a Georgia resident."

It then says they can use things like car registration, driver's license, are just one thing. They can also consider utility bills, property taxes, etc. too, just like they always have.

Palast pulls this crap all the time and gullible people fall for it.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
19. I agree. I know nowadays it's easy to believe just about anything, but we need to at least act sane.
Mon Nov 23, 2020, 04:57 PM
Nov 2020

Roisin Ni Fiachra

(2,574 posts)
15. Clearly, my reading comprehension skills are superior to yours.
Mon Nov 23, 2020, 04:28 PM
Nov 2020

"local registrars may consider whether the applicant has a valid Georgia driver’s license or identification card, or a motor vehicle registered in the state"

https://www.wjcl.com/article/the-movies-that-never-came-out-in-2020/34702967

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
17. There are already other things they can consider. You can't just look at some tertiary TV station to
Mon Nov 23, 2020, 04:42 PM
Nov 2020

get reliable news. They have probably gotten more hits on their website because of this BS than the rest of the year.

Christ people, we don't have to be gullible.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
18. Here's the relevant section of Ga Law that has been in place for years.
Mon Nov 23, 2020, 04:55 PM
Nov 2020
O.C.G.A. § 21-2-217

(b) In determining a voter's qualification to register and vote, the registrars to whom such application is made shall consider, in addition to the applicant's expressed intent, any relevant circumstances determining the applicant's residence. The registrars taking such registration may consider the applicant's financial independence, business pursuits, employment, income sources, residence for income tax purposes, age, marital status, residence of parents, spouse, and children, if any, leaseholds, sites of personal and real property owned by the applicant, motor vehicle and other personal property registration, and other such factors that the registrars may reasonably deem necessary to determine the qualification of an applicant to vote in a primary or election. The decision of the registrars to whom such application is made shall be presumptive evidence of a person's residence for voting purposes.


And even if they are denied above, which likely won't happen unless someone moves to the state just to vote, as some GOPers and people right here have suggested, the article in this thread also says that-- "If the registrar cannot determine whether the applicant properly resides in Georgia, the rule directs them to process the application but mark it as “challenged,” and to initiate a hearing."

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,342 posts)
27. As reported, it seems perfectly reasonable ...
Tue Nov 24, 2020, 03:14 AM
Nov 2020

There could be MAGAt mobs invading Georgia to register. It is not necessarily an attempt at voter suppression.

Caliman73

(11,736 posts)
10. So are you saying there is nothing before the BOE?
Mon Nov 23, 2020, 04:06 PM
Nov 2020

Are you saying that the new rule won't disenfranchise voters?

Are you saying that it is coincidental?

Or are you just not liking Palast and going for adhominem?

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
12. Did I say that, Caliman. I said no one has to own a car to register to vote -- that is Palast BS
Mon Nov 23, 2020, 04:13 PM
Nov 2020

meant for gullible people.

Caliman73

(11,736 posts)
21. No. You said, "There is no such attempt".
Mon Nov 23, 2020, 05:49 PM
Nov 2020

You didn't say "no one has to own a car to register to vote" or any other thing. You said, "no such attempt" and "Palast BS"

From looking at the available information however, the emergency measures do not appear to be an attempt by Georgia elections officials to block anyone from voting. They appear to be a reinforcement of laws that try to block people from "appearing to be moving to" or living in Georgia from doing so solely to vote by requiring people to have paid a tax associated with registering a vehicle when you move into the state.

So, Palast either has it wrong for lack of really looking into the situation, or he is deliberately lying.

The problem with responses is they give little to no information as to why a person holds a particular view point.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
23. There is no such attempt. Palast, like some others, tend to read
Mon Nov 23, 2020, 05:54 PM
Nov 2020

pointing at, and mouthing, each word. He didn’t even take the time to refer to GA law before posting BS.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
25. For sure and they'd lose. Plus, everyone who voted for Biden, would be
Mon Nov 23, 2020, 11:07 PM
Nov 2020

protesting in front of KKKemp’s mansion pissing off all his wealthy neighbors.

Caliman73

(11,736 posts)
22. It looks like it is not really a thing.
Mon Nov 23, 2020, 05:54 PM
Nov 2020

From what I have been able to see, Georgia is trying to curb the idea of people moving into the state just to vote.

As part of the effort of the elections board to verify residency, a vehicle registration along with other information can be used. They are proposing that for people coming in out of state, that they have to have paid the transfer tax on their vehicle registration, prior to registering.

Makes sense, as you can make the motions to "move" to the state, but not really follow through, in order to game the system. Not sure who or why someone would go through all that trouble for one vote, but who knows.

It doesn't appear to be aimed at making it necessary to own a car to vote.

I think Palast is wrong on this.

Blue Owl

(50,356 posts)
14. The GOP is now the biggest threat to democracy
Mon Nov 23, 2020, 04:20 PM
Nov 2020

They are losing power and they know it -- just look at this overwhelming criminal evidence right out in the open...

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