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I Will Use A Good Covid Vaccine As Soon As Possible (Original Post) DanieRains Nov 2020 OP
I am with you bottomofthehill Nov 2020 #1
Why don't we just do what 100s of other countries have already done to control cv19? We don't uponit7771 Nov 2020 #19
I have taken at least 7 tests...if one vaccine doesn't work I'll live love laugh Nov 2020 #2
I'm with you. safeinOhio Nov 2020 #15
I am seriously worried... FirstLight Nov 2020 #3
I understand. I'm worried, too. Staph Nov 2020 #4
... FirstLight Nov 2020 #7
I'm a cancer patient on on-going moonscape Nov 2020 #10
i get ya FirstLight Nov 2020 #11
+1 Hugin Nov 2020 #21
Me, too. I work in at clinic, so it will be whichever one my employer chooses. Laffy Kat Nov 2020 #5
I hope Biden/Harris have already received their first dose of the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines. LonePirate Nov 2020 #6
When Dr Fauci bares his arm on TV, I'll sign right up... Hekate Nov 2020 #8
Me, too. ShazzieB Nov 2020 #45
What's the permanence of either of these vaccines? Beartracks Nov 2020 #9
Right now, there's no way of knowing. PoindexterOglethorpe Nov 2020 #13
I was looking for my smallpox vaccination scar recently. Hugin Nov 2020 #26
I'm pretty sure I only ever got the TB test when I went to work at PoindexterOglethorpe Nov 2020 #49
Maybe the testing was dependent on the prevalence of the disease in the area. Hugin Nov 2020 #52
Probably. PoindexterOglethorpe Nov 2020 #53
I will be first in line! Initech Nov 2020 #12
Yep. I trust Biden and Dems more than Fauci though. LizBeth Nov 2020 #14
I'm not worried about the vaccine at all now. BGBD Nov 2020 #16
The vaccines still wont be long term tested according to vaccines.gov uponit7771 Nov 2020 #18
I'll take that tradeoff BGBD Nov 2020 #34
A Major Consideration, Indeed ProfessorGAC Nov 2020 #43
Same here. ShazzieB Nov 2020 #46
+1000 Karma13612 Nov 2020 #22
FACT NOT IN DISPUTE: 100s of other countries have controlled CV19 without going to a rushed vaccine uponit7771 Nov 2020 #17
Besides, we've saved about $1000 by not eating in restaurants this year so far Klaralven Nov 2020 #23
We do delivery and still enjoy it, I don't understand how a vaccine rushed vaccine is going to help uponit7771 Nov 2020 #31
Half of this country refuses to cooperate and use common sense - apples and oranges. Skya Rhen Nov 2020 #28
So offering a rushed vaccine vs a proven federated response is much better? No, it's not uponit7771 Nov 2020 #29
It'll be interesting to see what it cost and how insurances will cover Buckeyeblue Nov 2020 #20
I've heard some reports say Karma13612 Nov 2020 #24
The Biden-Harris plan includes free testing and free vaccines for all DesertRat Nov 2020 #36
There ya go!!!!!! Nt Karma13612 Nov 2020 #42
I wish they would come up with a better delivery system. hamsterjill Nov 2020 #25
Just remind yourself DrToast Nov 2020 #33
Absolutely hamsterjill Nov 2020 #37
Well, I have had my flu vaccine at my local Karma13612 Nov 2020 #44
Thanks. hamsterjill Nov 2020 #47
Me too, but I do need to read the possible side effects sheet first. nt Roisin Ni Fiachra Nov 2020 #27
There wont be one besides the generic, the vaccine has skipped time testing tests that vaccines.gov uponit7771 Nov 2020 #30
I'm old enough to not care much about being a guinea pig. Roisin Ni Fiachra Nov 2020 #32
I feel about it like you do IsItJustMe Nov 2020 #54
My pharmacist told me she isn't taking a rushed one marlakay Nov 2020 #35
+1, there's a high percentage of doctors and nurses that don't want the rushed out vaccine either .. uponit7771 Nov 2020 #38
Right now, most Dr's and Pharmacies can't store some of these vaccines... Wounded Bear Nov 2020 #40
+1, I'm thinking the conversation on the vaccine is doing more harm than good. People wont take uponit7771 Nov 2020 #41
Agreed, though I'll probably wait until the VA starts administering them... Wounded Bear Nov 2020 #39
Relieved to see only a couple of anti vaxxer in the thread pushing the rushed meme BannonsLiver Nov 2020 #48
It's going to take a lot longer PoindexterOglethorpe Nov 2020 #50
I'll be first in line russiamommy Nov 2020 #51

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
19. Why don't we just do what 100s of other countries have already done to control cv19? We don't
Tue Nov 24, 2020, 08:42 AM
Nov 2020

... need a text book rushed vaccine when there are NPIs that wont kill our economy and controls the virus.

I'm the opposite of an anti vaxxer, I'll look at the science and no one has explained how the science of this vaccine is skipping the years of time testing vaccines.gov says all the other vaccines have gotten.

We need well proven federated responses and not a rushed vaccine

live love laugh

(13,100 posts)
2. I have taken at least 7 tests...if one vaccine doesn't work I'll
Tue Nov 24, 2020, 12:38 AM
Nov 2020

try another—as long as the side effects are validated and tolerable.

FirstLight

(13,360 posts)
3. I am seriously worried...
Tue Nov 24, 2020, 12:52 AM
Nov 2020

I have an auto-immune disease and wonder how it will gell with the meds I take and the immune system being compromised. I know everyone SAYS I should get all flu and other vaccines... but since I have been on immune-suppressants the ONLY tme I got really fucking ill from the flu was after taking the vaccine :/ Maybe cuz it was a live one? IDK I'm kinda worried fir my own reasons...but gosh, If everyone else is taking it I could benefit too...

sorry (don't flame me, Im not trying to be one of THOSE anti-vaxxers)

Staph

(6,251 posts)
4. I understand. I'm worried, too.
Tue Nov 24, 2020, 01:06 AM
Nov 2020

I'm not an anti-vaxxer either. I'm a cancer survivor, currently on long-term immunotherapy. And the immunotherapy has caused rheumatoid arthritis, so I'm on a different chemo drug for that.

I've been told not to take live-virus vaccines, but the typical flu shot isn't one. I had my regular flu shot last week with no problem.

But...nobody knows how these new COVID-19 vaccines will work for folks with compromised immune systems or for those on immunotherapy drugs. For most diseases, you and I are protected by good old herd immunity - everyone else gets vaccinated and you and I are protected because the disease can't get a foothold.

I will probably get vaccinated, after long consultation with my oncologist and rheumatologist. I live with my 97-year-old mother, and I have to protect her. She plans to get vaccinated, too.


moonscape

(4,673 posts)
10. I'm a cancer patient on on-going
Tue Nov 24, 2020, 01:38 AM
Nov 2020

maintenance chemo. There is more we need to know, but right now some specialists are telling their patients that the question is less side effects for us with the non-live vaccine than expectations as to how effective it will turn out to be for us.

We really need more information, but my inclination will be to get it but maintain vigilance and be one of the last to lose my mask.

Hugin

(33,125 posts)
21. +1
Tue Nov 24, 2020, 08:55 AM
Nov 2020

People such as yourself are why I've been following the guidelines+ since day one.

It's a human trait to protect the more vulnerable.

Laffy Kat

(16,377 posts)
5. Me, too. I work in at clinic, so it will be whichever one my employer chooses.
Tue Nov 24, 2020, 01:07 AM
Nov 2020

I hope to get mine as soon as possible.

ShazzieB

(16,370 posts)
45. Me, too.
Tue Nov 24, 2020, 01:37 PM
Nov 2020

I will listen to Fauci and other scientists and follow their lead.

My husband and I are seniors, we both have asthma, and he's also diabetic. For those reasons and others, covid scares the crap out of me. We have both agreed to follow the science on this.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,848 posts)
13. Right now, there's no way of knowing.
Tue Nov 24, 2020, 01:50 AM
Nov 2020

Back when some one of the vaccines for one of the childhood diseases was first implemented, it was thought it would be a once and done vaccine. Then, when those first kids started college, there were outbreaks of that disease, and it was quickly realized that a booster was needed.

I honestly can't recall which one of those diseases was involved, but it wasn't a huge tragedy, and kids now get the two shots at the appropriate times.

Similarly, it was figured out that the original shingles vaccine only lasted about ten years. Now, there's a new 2-shot sequence which is thought to last the rest of a person's lifetime. I hope so, as I've just completed the two shot series.

If it turns out the Covid-19 vaccine needs to be given again, we'll all find out soon enough. But once a significant percent of the world's population has been vaccinated, things will get vastly better.

I'm old enough that when I used to travel outside of the United States, I had to show proof of a recent smallpox vaccination to get back into the country. I kept on losing the form that proved I'd had the vaccination, so kept on having to get a new one. After a while, the newest vaccine wouldn't "take", meaning it didn't show I'd developed the appropriate immunity. Luckily, that never kept me from travelling.

Hugin

(33,125 posts)
26. I was looking for my smallpox vaccination scar recently.
Tue Nov 24, 2020, 09:04 AM
Nov 2020

I found it high up on my left arm. It has almost faded away, but, for my generation the scar was ubiquitous.

Do you remember getting the TB tests? Every year when I was a kid they'd prick me on the forearm with a four pronged blade and wait for a reaction. If there was a reaction off you'd go to quarantine and a round of probably some harsh antibiotic.

Hugin

(33,125 posts)
52. Maybe the testing was dependent on the prevalence of the disease in the area.
Tue Nov 24, 2020, 11:48 PM
Nov 2020

Since we were talking about smallpox also.

I had a Doctor who had this informal hobby she pursued during an exam. She would find a person's smallpox scar. She told me that it was her confirmation that she'd done a through exam and had her mind on what she was doing. She had a name for the scars I can't remember, but, it was a play on 'belly button'. Since everyone had one.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,848 posts)
53. Probably.
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 01:13 AM
Nov 2020

And when it was you were growing up.

My mother always got a positive test for TB because when she was a nurse in training in the 1930s, she worked in a TB ward at some point. She never had an active case. but it showed up.

And regarding smallpox. The last outbreak in this country was in 1948. I recall reading that there was evidence that people who had had their last smallpox vaccination 50 years earlier were still protected. Wow.

In the 1970s, when I was doing a certain amount of international travel, we had to show proof of a recent (within the past 3 years I believe) smallpox vaccination. I kept on misplacing the yellow vaccination certificate that recorded such things, so I kept on having to get a new vaccination. After a while, the vaccination site simply didn't do anything.

I did just now look, and cannot find any evidence of a scar, which I remember clearly from my youth. Ah, age! It does bring certain benefits. I'm 72, if anyone actually cares.

LizBeth

(9,952 posts)
14. Yep. I trust Biden and Dems more than Fauci though.
Tue Nov 24, 2020, 01:50 AM
Nov 2020

First handful of months Fauci was appeasing Trump so says something but I trust my Dems.

 

BGBD

(3,282 posts)
16. I'm not worried about the vaccine at all now.
Tue Nov 24, 2020, 04:23 AM
Nov 2020

My only worry ever was that Trump was going to try to push an untested vaccine before the election to boost his chances. That didn't happen, mostly because pharma companies and health administration officials made it clear that there was no way a vaccine would be ready before the election. It might have actually had the opposite effect of having vaccine data held until after the election because once Trump politicized it, any data released would have been doubted. Releasing it after the election took the politicization aspect out of it.

ProfessorGAC

(64,995 posts)
43. A Major Consideration, Indeed
Tue Nov 24, 2020, 01:31 PM
Nov 2020

We can easily debate getting the flu vaccine because, even in a bad year, the flu kills around 1 in 1,800 people infected.
Right now, COVID is taking around 1 in 40.
The risk assessment is radically different.
Highly contagious & quite deadly changes the calculus.
It sure does for me!
Obviously, you as well.

Karma13612

(4,552 posts)
22. +1000
Tue Nov 24, 2020, 08:56 AM
Nov 2020

Now the only thing I worry about is the waiting for our specific category of recipients to be vaccinated. I am a senior so hoping I don’t have to wait more than another 6 months! Wish it could be much sooner but I do understand the need to vaccinate frontline people first. Patience is a virtue!

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
17. FACT NOT IN DISPUTE: 100s of other countries have controlled CV19 without going to a rushed vaccine
Tue Nov 24, 2020, 08:38 AM
Nov 2020

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The wests lack of federated response doesn't mean people should pore into a unnecessarily rushed medical cure.

Just use common sense and do what the other countries that have defeated CV19 have done

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
31. We do delivery and still enjoy it, I don't understand how a vaccine rushed vaccine is going to help
Tue Nov 24, 2020, 10:15 AM
Nov 2020

... in the past when vaccines where rushed bad stuff happened.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
29. So offering a rushed vaccine vs a proven federated response is much better? No, it's not
Tue Nov 24, 2020, 10:12 AM
Nov 2020

... we can do what works and has worked, I don't understand the logic behind wanting to take a rushed out vaccine.

Buckeyeblue

(5,499 posts)
20. It'll be interesting to see what it cost and how insurances will cover
Tue Nov 24, 2020, 08:48 AM
Nov 2020

And will the anti-vaxxers refuse in mass to take it? I can't imagine it can be mass produced on a scale to get everyone vaccinated before late spring. This has to be mass produced for the world. Does the raw material even exist for that to be possible?

hamsterjill

(15,220 posts)
25. I wish they would come up with a better delivery system.
Tue Nov 24, 2020, 09:02 AM
Nov 2020

Needle phobe here. I’m already having nightmares about having to get this.

hamsterjill

(15,220 posts)
37. Absolutely
Tue Nov 24, 2020, 11:10 AM
Nov 2020

But I suffer from vasovagel syncope (from a childhood trauma) and I typically either faint or vomit.

So it’s really hard to stand in line at a CVS, etc. for a vaccination.

Karma13612

(4,552 posts)
44. Well, I have had my flu vaccine at my local
Tue Nov 24, 2020, 01:33 PM
Nov 2020

Pharmacy a few times.

I was seated each time. I think they do it to avoid people fainting, falling and hurting themselves.

I know that doesn’t allay your phobia, and I know all about phobias, believe me!

Here is a story of how I got over my injection phobia:

I adored David McCallum (Illya Kuriakin spelling?) in the Man from Uncle, many decades ago when I was just a kid.
There was an episode where he got a shot in the arm just like for a vaccine. I watched it, and thought that if Illya was brave enuf, then so was I. Never had a problem after that. I wince, and close my eyes, relax the arm muscles, and remain calm. I know millions of people get shots, so I know I can be brave for a couple seconds.

Best of luck to you! I hope it works out because you do need to be protected!!

hamsterjill

(15,220 posts)
47. Thanks.
Tue Nov 24, 2020, 01:38 PM
Nov 2020

My issue stems from something much more insidious than just a fear of the needle itself unfortunately.

I keep reading about the microderm needles and hope that one day THAT will be the norm. In 62 years that I’ve been alive, the delivery for vaccinations has basically not changed, so it’s truly time for science to catch up.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
30. There wont be one besides the generic, the vaccine has skipped time testing tests that vaccines.gov
Tue Nov 24, 2020, 10:14 AM
Nov 2020

... says the other vaccines have gone through.

I'm far from an anti vaxxer but I see we have better choices than a rushed out vaccine that skips critical stages of approval.

Someone should square with us how this vaccine can skip time test that other vaccines have to go through

Roisin Ni Fiachra

(2,574 posts)
32. I'm old enough to not care much about being a guinea pig.
Tue Nov 24, 2020, 10:24 AM
Nov 2020

Better me than some kid.

But again, I do need some type of reasonable known possible side effects sheet. If there isn't one, then I'll take your advice

*Caution! This vaccine has been known to turn sane people into Trump supporters*

IsItJustMe

(7,012 posts)
54. I feel about it like you do
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 01:30 AM
Nov 2020

It's a risk reward type of thing. If there are any long term effects, which we probably won't know about for several years out, it will matter a lot more to younger people.

The problem is that there are so many variables involved. Different ages. Different people with different medical conditions. The list is exhausting if you think about it. I think that between Moderna and Pfizer, approx. 75,000 people have been vaccinated. That's a good sample, but that will not cover every variance out there.

marlakay

(11,451 posts)
35. My pharmacist told me she isn't taking a rushed one
Tue Nov 24, 2020, 10:45 AM
Nov 2020

I trust her and will get the one she says is good. She gave me flu shot so she is not anti vax.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
38. +1, there's a high percentage of doctors and nurses that don't want the rushed out vaccine either ..
Tue Nov 24, 2020, 11:13 AM
Nov 2020

... I'm blown away at so many wanting to take a rushed vaccine vs pushing towards NPIs that other countries have used to successfully defeat CV19.

A high throughput testing process would damn near be half the solution.

Wounded Bear

(58,647 posts)
40. Right now, most Dr's and Pharmacies can't store some of these vaccines...
Tue Nov 24, 2020, 11:16 AM
Nov 2020

because of the cold storage requirements.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
41. +1, I'm thinking the conversation on the vaccine is doing more harm than good. People wont take
Tue Nov 24, 2020, 11:20 AM
Nov 2020

... care enough thinking there's a vaccine that is made for wide distribution and its not.

We wont have a wide distribution vaccine till next summer, Biden has a lot of work to do.

I pray for all of them

BannonsLiver

(16,369 posts)
48. Relieved to see only a couple of anti vaxxer in the thread pushing the rushed meme
Tue Nov 24, 2020, 01:41 PM
Nov 2020

We may be better off than we thought. And pro tip: When someone attacks vaccines while saying they are not anti vaxx, it usually means they are anti vaxx.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,848 posts)
50. It's going to take a lot longer
Tue Nov 24, 2020, 09:47 PM
Nov 2020

for any of the vaccines to be widely available than you might think. Especially if they are all a two-shot series.

I remember the swine flu vaccine fiasco very well. I will happily put myself at the end of the line for getting a Covid-19 vaccine. Let other people be the guinea pigs.

We still have not had the kind of detailed look at the trials and their results. That does not give me a warm and fuzzy feeling.

russiamommy

(244 posts)
51. I'll be first in line
Tue Nov 24, 2020, 10:15 PM
Nov 2020

The studies are very encouraging. Assuming they’re all approved, I can’t wait to get it. I really don’t care which one - I’ll take whichever I can get my hands on first. Maybe I’m selfish, but I want my life back. And I don’t see any way out of this mess without a broad-reaching vaccination project.

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