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[Cha]

1. This deserves a Kick!

[uponit7771]

2. K&R, Also warn people they're bypassing process's to get it to people. Reports on vaccine are NOT

... helping the situation right now seeing there are a ton of people who think its going to be out soon for the general public and it wont.

[spicysista]

3. Great post!

K & R

[Iliyah]

4. Yep . .

potential side effects. Looks at tv commercials touting medications wherein by law they must let you know the side effects of such drug, in which the announcer rapidly gives the other alternative.

[Maxheader]

5. I didn't get a flu shot this year....

The last two years I experienced severe back spasms a month or so

after taking them . Just like when I had the flu in 17'. The nurse said I

might experience a little flu feeling from the shot. Brother! I've told

the docs my immune system is compromised...severe asthma, and

I react to drugs differently than most people. They don't listen...

[hedda_foil]

7. Back spasms a month post vaccine is extremely unlikely to be a side effect.

[AllyCat]

8. Right.

[Texin]

61. Yup. Four weeks out from a vaccine is not related.

I got the senior (high dose) flu shot in early October. I had a very sore arm at the injection site for the rest of the day, but oddly, the pain diminished faster than it usually has in the past from less potent vaccine injections. What I DID experience later the day of the injection was extreme fatigue and a vague sense of feeling weird. As if it took a lot of muscle power just to walk around. By evening of that day, I was feeling better and I had no other after effects.

The Covid-19 vaccine actually does concern me. I'm likely going to have it administered, but I'm not stupid about possible side effects. I find it intriguing that it's the second shot that and not the first one is the one that knocks people off their games for a day. I guess that's so because the body has by that time begun to develop an immune response to the virus and is attacking what it recognizes as a contagion.

[womanofthehills]

86. Wrong - go over to the CDC website- many symptoms

From vaccines take a month to manifest.

[PJMcK]

21. Your symptoms are not related to the flu vaccine

One would not experience back spasms a full month following the shot. That would be unrelated to the vaccine.

If you feel your healthcare providers aren't listening to you, get different doctors. One must have trust in one's healthcare providers.

The flu shot will not hurt you and any reactions would occur within 48 hours. Anything else would be unrelated.

Perhaps you might stop lifting heavy objects... (big wink)

Have a healthy and happy Thanksgiving!

[wnylib]

57. Not quite true for all people

that the flu shot won't hurt you. Most flu shots have an egg base in them. I am allergic to eggs so that the shot would be worse for me than getting the flu.

Consequently, I don't get flu shots and follow precautions to avoid catching it. One year, a med provider convinced me to try a version of the shot that was "hypoallergenic." Within 48 hours, I had chills, low fever, headache, and trouble breathing that my asthma inhaler did little to relieve. Went back to the doctor who said I apparently reacted to the shot with flu symptoms. He prescribed a different inhaler which helped a lot, and recommended that I follow the same procedure I would if I had the flu - take Tylenol and lots of liquids, get some rest, and use the new inhaler.

I have not had a flu shot since then. I am not an anti vaxer. I just have to be cautious about vaccines.

[Maxheader]

120. You need a nebulizer...

I've used rescue inhalers for years. Albuteral. A nebulizer took relief to another level...

[wnylib]

122. I still have the rescue inhaler, but I also have

Anoro, which helps a lot.

[womanofthehills]

88. Do you people do any research? Check out the CDC instead

Of posting your opinions as fact. Stuff is not black & white. The CDC lists many vaccine reactions happening from 1 to 30 days after the vaccine.

[kcr]

92. CDC says the symptoms last a couple of days

and says nothing about muscle spasms.

[PJMcK]

95. Thanks for your thoughts

My post was not based on my opinion. It was based on medical science.

Regardless, I wish you a Happy Thanksgiving.

[womanofthehills]

112. Here are some CDC charts on various vaccines - and some side effects starting over a month from vax

chronic arthritis from MMR, MMRV up to up to 42 days, a measles side effect up to 30 days, seasonal influenza vaccine up to 42 days etc.
Childhood vaccine side effects are rare because they are perfected. Flu shots are produced faster and have the most financial awards for injury from the gov Vaccine Injury Compensation Program. I think I will wait till 2nd round of Covid vaccines and see what the adjuvants are in the vaccines before getting one.






https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/d/injury-table.pdf

Happy Thanksgiving to you!

[Bernardo de La Paz]

37. Unrelated, much too long between, not flu shot symptoms. You are fooling yourself. . . . nt

[Aristus]

52. Yeah, it doesn't pass the smell test.

Anti-vaxxers will cobble together any ridiculous excuse to avoid getting their vaccines. Be careful you're not mistaken for one of them.

[womanofthehills]

123. Asking questions about vaccines does not make one an anti-vaxer

Especially concerning is Astra Zenica and how they are being accused of not being open about irregularities in their studies - some people getting half a dose of vaccine. How does this happen? Supposedly our government has placed an order for millions of doses of this vaccine. I would trust the other two companies more and want to know which company made the vaccine I would take.

[PatSeg]

60. Same here

I've been hospitalized for respiratory failure too many times to count and often a drug reaction can push me over the edge. Many medications don't bother me at all, but the ones that do can be life-threatening. I have good reason to question anything new that is injected into my body, especially one that has not been widely used by the public.

That said, I definitely do want the vaccine, but I would like to see how it affects more people first.

Edit to add, didn't realize at first that your symptoms were a month after the vaccine. I have never had a delayed reaction to medication such as that, but I do understand your concern.

[womanofthehills]

113. In the 90's I had multiple chemical sensitivity that manifested as reactive airway disease

when exposed to foods, smells and drugs that I was sensitive to, my airway narrowed and I ended up in the hospital many times. I'm 90% better now but still react to a few drugs/chemicals so I have never had a flu shot and take no pharma drugs. Many flu shots are available each year - all with different adjuvants. I would like to take the Covid vaccine but will wait and see how those vaccinated do and what adjuvants are in the various vaccines.

[PatSeg]

121. I've only had one flu shot in my life

and that was the year the twins (grandchildren) were born. It was necessary if I wanted to visit them in the hospital. I didn't have any reaction thank goodness. I haven't actually had the flu in over twenty-five years, even when I've been exposed to it, so the vaccine was never a high priority.

COVID is a different story, as I have no way of knowing how I will react to it, and as such I find the risks very high. I am prone to blood clots and respiratory failure, so I am very concerned.

I'm glad you're doing better, but that must be a nightmare never knowing what might trigger a reaction, especially being there are so many chemicals in our food, air, and water.

[KentuckyWoman]

102. Armchair docs

You know your body.

3 years in a row the senior high dose shot waiting nearly a month to put me in the hospital with a heart arrhythmia. The first 2 times every doctor swore there is no earthly way that could happen. Ever. These are docs actually on my care team.

I don't have an arrhythmia. It last for a couple days and vanished both times but could have been life threatening while I had it.

The 3rd time it happened I was more forceful with the same cardiologist that treated me during the 2nd event. Shortly after she was at a cardiology seminar for new techniques and found out some other cardiologists were (very rarely) seeing the same thing.

Now I get the regular flu shot like I used to and no trouble ... ever.

So listen to your body.

[coolhandlulu]

115. I'm a nurse

A patient can have any side effect to any medication at anytime. Listen to the patient. Also, the OP said that they react to drugs differently. My husband gets almost homicidal with any cold medication with DM in it. Ibuprofen is my drug of choice for any pain, have taken it my whole life. Last couple of times taking it I’ve experienced extreme nausea. Everyone is different.

[beachbumbob]

6. all the clinical trials offerings done so far have had minimum particiaption by at risk groups

like children and 65 and older. Many studies have had none at all. So when you think we will be guinea pigs with reactions and side effects. makes me 100% certain I will not take any initial vaccines until enough time has gone by ( a year) to see how all this shakes out.

[Tanuki]

12. Not true. Although trials are only now getting started with children,

they are not considered high risk and are not going to receive vaccination in the upcoming roll-out until comparable data on safety and efficacy for children are available.

As for the elderly and those with underlying health conditions, they were most definitely represented. From the Moderna study:

https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4471

"The trial enrolled more than 30 000 US participants, including 7000 aged over 65 and 5000 under 65 with high risk chronic diseases. More than one third (37%) of the trial participants are non-white, with 6000 participants identifying as Hispanic and more than 3000 identifying as black."

[NNadir]

17. Thank you for addressing this misinformation.

[beachbumbob]

19. there are over 50 vaccines under development and clinical trials have not included the young or the

old in many of them. Obviously its against protocol to do so with kids until later in the trials. Until recently., like the past few days, info has come out with the side effects of vaccine inducing symptoms and CDC having recommendations to highlight the side effects going forward. No misinformation here at all

[PJMcK]

22. Well, you have a choice

If you don't have confidence in the vaccine, don't get your shots.

Frankly, your skepticism is difficult to understand.

To each their own.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

39. A big one DID include. So go with EVIDENCE. Lack of evidence gets OVER-RIDDEN by evidence.

The Moderna study is evidence. So until you show some other kind of evidence your concerns are MISPLACED and can lead you to foolish actions, like avoiding a vaccine that prevents you from infecting someone you love.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

42. Your first post stated "ALL". Now you are at "many". Keep going till you hit the evidence we have.nt

[DrToast]

83. Right? The goalposts, they are a movin'

[AllyCat]

29. Thank you. I am horrified at the anti-vaccine disinformation on this site

Yes, there will be side-effects. And, yes, we should be told about all of those to make an informed decision. But the benefits appear to outweigh the risks for this (IMO). I will get this vaccine once available. I work in health care and we are NOT being protected adequately.

[Tanuki]

58. Same here. I will gladly take either of the vaccinations approaching

approval as soon as I have the opportunity. Although I am extremely careful and self-isolate except for work and the most essential shopping, like you I work in healthcare and the reality is that I am taking on some risk of exposure every single day, not only from patients but potentially from unwittingly asymptomatic co-workers. I am beyond grateful that some relief is in sight but will continue to take precautions even after I am vaccinated, as dictated by the science.

[NNadir]

64. Me too. Especially in this case anti- vax ignorance threatens lives.

[womanofthehills]

114. Wanting to make sure a vaccine is safe is not anti-vax

[NNadir]

119. Anti-this and anti-that types when the anti- is about scientific issues are consistent in one thing.

They are spectacularly unqualified to judge what is an is not "safe."

In their general anti-science approach, they engage in selective attention. This is true of anti-nukes, who allow millions of people to die each year from air pollution because they have never, in their pathetic lives bothered to understand a shred of information about high energy physics and biophysics, and it is true of anti-vaxxers who sit on their asses making judgements about the putative safety of a critical vaccine.

Consistently and regularly they kill people by applying their ignorance.

In general, whether they are on the right or on the left, they're very fond of conspiracy theories, the vast majority of which depend on the popularization of ignorance and outright lies.

These vaccines have involved the work of tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of highly trained scientists, and passed through highly rigorous clinical trials in which they were administered by highly unselfish and brave volunteers.

There are zero drugs that save lives that are without risks. My grandmother died early in the last century from a disease that would easily today be cured by a fluoroquinolone antibiotic, a class of medications can cause very serious drug interactions, and, in fact, are known to have, in a few cases, genetic effects.

I'm sure if we mentioned the genetic effects, there would be assholes screaming to ban them, a call that overall, statistically, would kill people, just like anti-nukes and anti-vaxxers, anti-this, anti-that people kill people.

I've been involved in the pharmaceutical industry for decades. Stupidity and ignorance addressed at it disgust me.

Much of this thread is either overtly or subtly anti-vax in my opinion.

This disease has killed over a million people, more than one quarter of a million in this country. Unqualified people discussing a subject about which they know nothing at all, in this case, "safety," are doing nothing but to assure that the number of people killed is even greater. Some of the people killed will not, in general, have their heads up their asses about safety. Like my Grandmother, they would rather have lived.

Have a nice Thanksgiving.

[womanofthehills]

124. The government's Vaccine Injury Compensation Program

under Health and Human Services has paid out over $4,000,000,000 for vaccine injury. Just type in vaccine injury lawyers and hundreds come up. There will always be a very small percentage of people who have adverse or life threatening reactions. According to you if we discuss this we are anti-vax. Calling people anti-nuke is weird. Under Trump, plutonium pit production in Los Alamos has increased for no sane reason and puts people’s lives in the surrounding communities in danger. Here in NM, every time it rains, plutonium flows down the Rio Grande (40’s plutonium just dumped in arroyos) - but not too worry!

[NNadir]

65. Me too. Especially in this case anti- vax ignorance threatens lives.

[Sympthsical]

80. The roll out will come in four separate waves

I live with a regional pharmacy manager for a major hospital group. He mainly works from home now, so I've gotten all kinds of information about how the vaccine will be handled just by listening to their zoom calls (they're trying to organize like the dickens right now).

1st wave - At risk groups and healthcare workers

2nd wave - over 65

3rd wave - children

4th wave - everyone else

So children will not be getting the vaccine immediately unless they're in an at risk group. It will be awhile yet.

[Ms. Toad]

87. Pfizer appears to be even better

In the press release, Pfizer and BioNTech reported that 42% of participants had “racially and ethnically diverse backgrounds”.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-03166-8

[marble falls]

9. Of course the side effects of Covid and being intubated for a respirator are much worse.

[AllyCat]

30. Yup

[Hoyt]

68. Exactly. If it's approved, I'll take it.

[marble falls]

76. I f given he choice, it's the vacine every time.

[ProfessorGAC]

77. I'll Get On Line, Too

Hoyt said it best.
Those side effects don't sound like drowning in one's own fluids.
When they say "roll up your sleeve", I'm rocking it.

[Klaralven]

10. You mean they won't come with the little packet that unfolds to 3' x 2' of tissue paper

Densely covered in 6-point print in several languages with all the dire things that might happen to you after taking the medicine?

I thought their lawyers made them do that?

[AZ8theist]

23. Those things are ridiculous, aren't they??

The print is so small you need a microscope to read it....

[marble falls]

36. And that's when you know its worth paying attention, they're glossing over on something ...

My VA Dr prescribed something for the rheumatoid arthritis in my hands. When it came in the mail it was a printout of seven+ feet of side effects and counter indications. I didn't take it: the only time in 12 years I didn't follow Doctors orders.

I found warm water soaks and continuing working with my hands was the best thing - "use 'em or lose 'em" is good therapy in this case.

[womanofthehills]

116. Before taking any drug- it's a good idea to go over to "ask a patient"

put in your drug name and see what side effects actual people are having.

[Buckeyeblue]

11. I'm sure as they continue to improve the vaccine over time, side effects will be less severe

I'm ok with feeling bad for a day or two to avoid getting or passing covid.

[AllyCat]

31. Right? I felt like $hit for a day after getting both shots of Shingrix

But after having had shingles in my face twice with permanent nerve damage...I got the flipping vaccine!

COVID-19 is WAY worse than a vaccine.

[Evolve Dammit]

55. Shingles 2-part was no fun. But who the heck wants C-19? Hopefully 1 or 2 will emerge as tolerable.

[bdamomma]

91. Just a question

about the Shingrix shot you have to get 2? And is this shot recommended if you had chicken pox?

[yellowdogintexas]

101. having chickenpox is the reason folks get shingles

The virus is dormant in the nerves and if it flares, it sets off the shingles.

Shingles can be mild or horrid and everything in between. I had a mild case; one of my sisters was pretty much homebound for about a month (she couldn't stand for anything to touch it and it was all over her middle back area where there is a big cluster of nerves that wrap around)

I had the original shingles vax and need to get the 2 step one but I will want to get through COVID first

[llashram]

40. this

[NNadir]

13. I often experience side effects with flu shots. It is however preferable...

...to dying, which at my age is a serious issue

A vaccine for a terrible disease is generally a good thing.

I intend to be vaccinated as soon as the vaccine is available.

[central scrutinizer]

14. Shingrix vaccine for shingles took two shots

And caused similar side effects in me. Felt achy and crappy for a couple days after each shot.

[yonder]

41. Yes, same here - a couple of days each.

The sore arm that most folks report was very minor in comparison.

I imagine the Covid vaccine will be worse yet.

[central scrutinizer]

44. Much better than shingles

I’ve had friends get shingles and it sounds awful.

[napi21]

81. Both my hubby & I got the 2 Shingrix ahote without any side effects. If you pushed on the area

where the injection was given, it was a little sore for 1 day, but I don't consider that a side effect. If you don't push on the area, it doesn't hurt!

[Ilsa]

100. Me too, but only after the second shot.

And this year's flu shot did not even make my arm sore.

[luvs2sing]

15. It took me ten days to bounce back from the first Shingrix..

and two to bounce back from the second one. Flu shots usually put me down for a day. This is how my body reacts, and I’m used to it. Bring on that vaccine! It can’t be worse than the Shingrix.

[still_one]

20. Except for a sore arm, I had no adverse side effects from the shingrix vaccine. Everyone is

different though, but the shingrix does have more potential side effects than the older shingles vaccine

The new shingles vaccine though is over 90% effective

I have known people go through terrible suffering who got shingles

I agree with your analysis 100%

Of course people who have certain allergies or conditions are advised not to get vaccinated, but that group are protected if most other people do get vaccinated

[luvs2sing]

26. Shingles contributed to my grandfather's death..

so I was chomping at the bit to get that vaccine.

[luvtheGWN]

38. I had the first Shingrix shot two months ago

and I only had a sore arm for about 4 days. Nurse said the second shot is usually worse. Gotta make an appointment soon...

Regarding the enrolment of children in the Covid vaccine: I should think it would be rather difficult to convince parents, considering how many are unwilling to let their offspring be vaccinated for any disease.

[still_one]

45. I was told the same thing. I was fortunate though and it was just a sore arm both times

[birdographer]

48. Same here

Only a sore arm. Shingles was terrible. For the first time, this year I had a 1-day reaction to the flu shot. Weird thing--it was back in early October and I still have a bright red spot on my arm where the needle went in.

[still_one]

62. Wow. I wonder if that was due to the nurse or doctor being a little too

aggressive?

[smirkymonkey]

70. Those side effects aren't actually from the vaccine.

They are from your body's immune response reacting to the vaccine, as it would to an actual virus if you were to be infected. That is why you feel sick after being innoculated. That means it's doing what it is supposed to be doing. It's a good thing in a way. Your body is responding the way it should respond in the presence of the virus. If you actually come down with the virus later, your body is already prepared to fight it.

[bdamomma]

94. Hey smirkymonkey

my daughter who's a nurse told me the same thing.

[smirkymonkey]

99. Hey bdamomma!

How are you! I am glad she said so! I get so upset with people who say they refuse to get vaccinated because they said it "made them sick" without understanding why they felt sick. There is so much ignorance around vaccinations and I wish the public was more educated about the side effects and why they happen.

[RobinA]

107. Wow! How Differently

people react. I had nothing after the first Shingrix. The second I felt crappy for a day. The flu shot, which I had never gotten ‘til this year, did nothing at all. Which is pretty much how I feel about the flu shot. Did it to keep my doctor happy.

[still_one]

16. Whenever someone gets a vaccine you are given a form of potential side effects, and you sign

and acknowledge consent

This is just a false flag trying to frighten people not to get vaccinated

No one, including the CDC is trying to censor potential side effects

All medications have potential side effects that are readily available

It is always a question of risk versus reward, and the risk of not getting the vaccine is far greater then the reward of getting it

[thesquanderer]

18. Good thing. These days, it seems even a walk in the park could kill you. n/t

[leftyladyfrommo]

24. I plan to wait a little while to see how it goes. nt

[NurseJackie]

25. I remember how I felt after getting BOTH shingles shots (Shingrix)

... the first one really took a lot out of me and I dreaded getting the 2nd one. But I planned ahead for both and got them done on the Friday before a 3-day weekend.

[luvs2sing]

27. I did the same.

Only got the second shot on Thursday. By Saturday afternoon, I was pretty much through it and still had a weekend day to enjoy.

[llashram]

28. the only thing I know for sure

is they pushed this cocktail out at "warp speed" and political pressure is all that is driving it. I remember reading somewhere in my studies that it takes longer than this to perfect these toxic cocktails and that the first to rush to get this shit injected into their bodies will be guinea pigs.

[AllyCat]

33. It is not just political pressure driving this!

People are sick, dying, lonely, and broke! Pfizer was NOT part of project Warp Speed.

[llashram]

34. okay, and

we'll see, won't we... I understand the severity of the problem. Maskless humans are driving this pandemic to the lethal numbers we are experiencing. Ignorance and outright stupidity are going to kill a lot more. The anti-vax'ers are going to keep this pandemic going. 400,00 people plus at Sturgis, majority maskless. So we will see, won't we?

[luvtheGWN]

43. The big question about the vaccine is this:

How long will the protective effect last? The makers do not know the answer to this.

[AllyCat]

71. Nope. But we still have to maintain scientific-based precautions

Even with a vaccine. I’m just trying to not get sick at work and bring it back to my family.

[avebury]

32. I tend to have reactions to any vaccine shot that I have never had before

and always have. It can be rough depending upon the vaccine. I am okay with them giving the vaccine to health care workers and at risk people first. I will get it at some point but feel like no need to be first in line. I am able to work from home and so have a lot of control on how much I go out. I would kind of like to see how it goes when they start handing them out to the masses.

[kansasobama]

35. One of the best threads- Thank you

Absolutely correct. By the way, I would feel better when the real CDC returns after Jan 20th. I am not sure current CDC can be trusted. They are not allowed to say things.

Remember Trump said rake malaria medication. That one has serious side effects. Will feel like malaria for several days. But will not get malaria. It was no walk in the park.

Well, better to not die from COVID. Will take the vaccine with nasty side effects.

[progressoid]

46. Or...

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[roamer65]

47. The 2009 swine flu vaccine knocked me for a couple of days.

I fully expect the CV vaccine to be much worse. It is an antigen that your body thinks is a virus. It will react appropriately by generating the needed antibodies.

I wonder if the antibodies will be general enough to fight off MERS and SARS-CoV-1

[womanofthehills]

117. I was wondering about antibodies too - if you test positive for antibodies, would you need a vaccine

Lots of unanswered questions. Would antibodies from actual Covid or from the vaccine last the same amt of time or would one last longer than the other? There are some articles suggesting that being out and about with a mask might expose you to some small amts of virus - not enough to make you very sick but to possibly produce antibodies. A friend who is 78 was mildly sick for one day months ago tested positive for antibodies. Mysterious illness.

There is an interesting article out (I forgot what news site) saying in India the virus is rampant in the middle and upper class neighborhoods but not in the slums where sanitation is really bad. The article suggested that slum dwellers were exposed to so many more pathogens they might have been exposed to a similar virus.

[roamer65]

118. Very possible on India.

The supposition in 1918-1920 for older people doing better than younger ones was that many of them survived a bad flu pandemic in the 1880’s.

Only time will tell on the vaccine and antibodies. I do expect there to be at least yearly booster shots just like the flu.

[flibbitygiblets]

49. Side effects are temporary. Death is permanent.

Pick your poison.

[roamer65]

54. THIS.

[bdamomma]

96. In this case

I would choose side effects.

[smirkymonkey]

103. Side effects are simply your body's immune response reacting to the presence of the

small amount of virus that has been presented into your body by the vaccination. It means your immune system has been activated and is working. It is actually a good thing because it means that once you actually contract the virus, your body will have already recognized it and will know how to fight it.

[Smickey]

50. K&R n/t

[babylonsister]

51. "If this proves to work..." wtf does that mean?

I must admit I'm leery of these though will get one if Fauci or someone equally qualified encourages us to.

[Tanuki]

63. Fauci has already said he would take the vaccine and encourage his family

to do the same once it is FDA approved.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/carlieporterfield/2020/11/10/i-trust-pfizer-fauci-says-he-would-take-coronavirus-vaccine-upon-fda-approval/amp/

"Dr. Anthony Fauci, the leading infectious disease official in the U.S., said Tuesday he trusts the systems in place to approve a potential coronavirus vaccine, saying he would take Pfizer’s vaccine candidate himself and recommend it to his family if it’s given a green light by the Food and Drug Administration.
....

Some have expressed concerns about the safety of a vaccine, amid worries that the Trump administration was seeking to speed approval of one before the election—in August, more than a third of Americans said they would not take a coronavirus vaccine, according to a Gallup poll.

In the past, Fauci has said he would raise alarms if a coronavirus vaccine he felt was unsafe were to be released: “There is no chance in the world I’m going to be forced into agreeing to something that I don’t think is safe and scientifically sound,” he said in June."....(more)

[DrToast]

85. That quote was from someone in the clinical trials

Before the trials were complete and we knew they work.

[Paladin]

53. I guess the No Masks crowd will remain Covid victims.

God forbid the miserable chickenshits subject themselves to some minor side-effects of a vaccine.

[roamer65]

56. Might as well be honest.

Those of us who will get the vaccine are taking it to protect ourselves from their stupidity. I think there should be a vaccine certificate issued after taking the second shot, with sign offs for yearly booster shots.

That certificate should be used for air travel and admittance to other group activities. Also for CV related health care.

[RobinA]

109. Speak For Yourself

I’d be getting it so I can travel. I don’t think masks are all that effective, and I don’t consider people who don’t wear masks, not that I ever see such people, are stupid.

I’m not at all convinced any of the touted safety measures make that much difference. With the exception of staying away from people.

[roamer65]

110. Masks are definitely effective.

They suppress respiratory droplet aerosolization.

Case in point. I usually have a yearly bout with norovirus every mid October.

Since my mask wearing, hand washing and distancing...guess what hasn’t happened this year yet? No norovirus infection.

I’m sold.

[tymorial]

98. THANK YOU.

The really sad thing about this is the fear mongering on both sides.

[Mickju]

66. My 24 year old nephew was in the AstraZeneca trial.

He was sick for 2 or 3 days with flu-like symptoms but recovered rapidly and is fine now. He actually doesn't know if he had the vaccine or not, but he and his doctor assume he got it since he had that reaction.

[roamer65]

79. Would be interesting to see antibody titer on him.

See the concentration of antibodies he generated.

[Sgent]

111. Unless he is in the UK

then he probably had the vaccine if he was running a fever. The placebo in the US and Brazil was saline, but in the UK it was the meningococcal vaccine (which could produce side effects).

[northoftheborder]

67. I have almost no effects from the flu shots, sometimes none.

Does that mean I am already immune to that flu? Or the shots are not working for me? Just curious. Some years I have had a sore arm, and sort of achey feelings, but not lately. I am a senior. I have not had colds or sore throats in years, but probably because I'm no longer around small children!

[LisaL]

69. Not everybody has a reaction to a flu shot.

It doesn't mean anything. I didn't have a reaction either.

[roamer65]

73. Correct.

Only one I ever had a mild reaction to was the 2009 H1N1 vaccine.

[apnu]

72. "people are going to have to toughen up" LOL! The maskless are the snowiest of snowflakes.

One thing COVID has shown about America, is how weak, whiny, and privileged we are.

Just listen, for a few moments to the anti-maskers reasons for not wanting to wear a mask. Recall that masks are minor inconveniences, but if they can't handle a minor inconvenience, who seriously thinks they will handle non-threatening (that is uncomfortable or unpleasant) side effects of a vaccine?

The Doctors are right. A large portion of America is too soft for anything other than a "walk in the park". Wearing a mask is a walk in the park and we, as a nation, failed even that simple thing.

[Pluvious]

74. FWIW - Video: "The Question Nobody's Asking About the COVID-19 Vaccines"

This was an interesting listen... (8 min)

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Now that Moderna and Pfizer have unveiled effective vaccines, Venture Technology editor Dave Lashmet joins Jessica Stone to dig into the details you need to know before taking it. Having pored over countless autopsy reports of those who've died of COVID-19, he shares the risk factors Americans need to identify in order to make that decision. Lashmet has also reviewed the medical literature about the vaccine trials to give us our best indication yet regarding possible side effects.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

84. That was excellent.

He points out that there probably are going to be some real serious side effects from the vaccines currently closest to being out there, and suggests that children and young adults perhaps shouldn't get those vaccines. He is NOT an anti-vaxxer, but is bringing up quite lucidly the fact that the pharmaceutical companies are not telling us very much at this point.

And that's precisely why I will be slow at getting the vaccine, although I'm sure I will when enough time has gone by, and enough people have gotten it, to feel safe.

[Ms. Toad]

93. Seems to me like fearmongering based on speculation

I won't be getting the vaccine until I see some solid data. So I'm not in the camp of grab the first vaccine the day it comes out - or even in the Fauci says it's safe so I'll take it.

BUT - this guy acknowledges he has no data. He is extrapolating predictions based on very early trials at a significantly higher doses. It is completely irresponsible to suggest that 1/200 who take the vaccines just announced will have a significant enough medical emergency to be forced go to the ER.

[kcr]

90. Just a heads up. He's a geologist who's been convicted of fraud.

Not a health expert. He's buddies with Ron Paul.

[Vinca]

75. It took me 2 months of misery to get over this years flu vaccine which was apparently

not administered properly. I'll get the Covid vaccine, but I'm scared out of my mind about it.

[tblue37]

78. K&R for visibility. nt

[bucolic_frolic]

82. I didn't get flu shots for a good 15 years

back when they switched from refrigerated to thimerosol preserved. But I've had side effects from flu shots too. A friend had to get two half doses due to severe side effects.

Usually I get a sore arm. Can be almost invisible, to pretty sore. But I've also had mild chills, slight fever, and a total 36 hour blackout unable to think, move, eat. It was like getting very drunk without the alcohol. Mental vegetable.

[bdamomma]

89. K&R

nt

[tymorial]

97. Sigh

[herding cats]

104. I'll get it. Not all vaccines are easy.

Most we get when we're so little only our mothers remember the side effects. All the moms out there know what I'm speaking of here.

I'll vaccinate and hope it helps end this nightmare we're currently living. I'll muddle through for a few days and hopefully come out the other side immune. It's definitely worth the minor, possible side effects if it helps strangle this virus and bring back a hint of our old normalcy.

I'm in.

[Hekate]

105. I recently got dose #1 of Shingrix, & am glad the doc warned me about the side effects...

I’m usually fine with whatever he shoots me with, so the 3 or 4 days of malaise requiring Tylenol were a bit of a surprise.

As I’ve been saying all along, when Dr Fauci rolls up his sleeve on TV I’ll check with my doc to see if it’s available here. And if it turns out there’s side-effects, at least I’ll be forewarned.

[SunSeeker]

106. Wow, people will definitely need to bd told they'd be "put down for a day."

I'd still take it of course, but we all should be warned so we can be prepared for such a dramatic side effect.

[BobTheSubgenius]

108. Cholera shots werenn't a day at the beach, either.

I'm sure both of them are MUCH more benign than catching the actual malady.